Topic of the Week: Leaving the Milieu
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Have you ever felt the need to leave the anarchist milieu behind (or have you more or less already done so?) What makes people (or you) leave or separate themselves from the anarchist milieu? Have you ever taken breaks--and what made you get back into the mix? How did leaving (temporarily or permanently) affect you or the people you know? Is there anything you regret about leaving (e.g. severing ties with friends you wish you hadn't, leaving behind projects that you had invested a lot of time in, moving away from places you liked, etc.)?
What is important to you about being involved in one way or another, and why are you compelled to do so (or why aren't you compelled to any more?) How can (or do) you engage with anarchism outside of the milieu? How much of the milieu is what you (and the people you choose to collaborate with) make of it, and what elements are inescapable? How often have you needed to separate yourself from certain events, projects, people, situations, etc. while maintaining active connections elsewhere?
Why is burnout so common, and has anyone found any remedies? How often does leaving the anarchist milieu mean leaving behind anarchism itself (i.e. proclaiming not to be an anarchist anymore, or taking on another political ideology)? How do you get over the initial curve and make it into your thirties without "growing" out of anarchism? Can you see yourself becoming disillusioned by the milieu but not anarchism?
What's your favorite aspect of the anarchist milieu? What frustrates you the most?
Comments
Anonymous (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 02:07
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I've never been able to find
I've never been able to find an anarchist milieu. I've always been a lone wolf anarchist without any comrades.
robert graves (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 02:14
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Orpheus in the Infoshop - a story
Orpheus (a famous musician) and Eurydice fall in love and get married. After the wedding, Eurydice decides to get some fresh air. She takes a walk through nearby Berkeley, partying and laughing with her bridesmaids.
The lustful hotdog vendor Aristaeus surprises Eurydice. He's pretty hot for her, and he chases her down a nearby backalley. Desperate to avoid his sexual advances, Eurydice stops looking where she's going and stumbles into an anarchist infoshop. Surrounded and entranced by reams of such persuasive literature, she stays.
Orpheus is obviously overcome with grief at his wife's disappearance and ideological conversion. And just like any good musician, he expressed himself by singing the blues. Fed up with his depression, Orpheus decides to take action. His plan? Travel to the infoshop and ask the anarchists to let Eurydice go. Seems straightforward enough.
As he enters the shop, Orpheus uses his music to charm the spirits and monsters who live there. Ever get serenaded by a cute guy with a stringed instrument? Hard to resist, right? Even animals love him. Cerberus, the three-headed dog who guards the entrance, stands motionless and lets Orpheus pass. Everyone else is moved, too: the grotesque Furies weep, Sisyphus stops moving his rock, Morgan LeFay stops applying his mascara, the vulture stops pecking at Tityus' liver, and the souls of dead illegalists gather to hear him play. So yeah, guess he chose the right song.
In any case, Orpheus finds Aragorn and Bob Black, the King and Queen of the Milieu. Now the convincing begins. He makes a grand speech and plays his lyre to try to persuade these two to let Eurydice leave the milieu. His strategy? He reminds Aragorn that he fell in love once, too (with Bob).
Orpheus' eloquent speech melts the hearts of Aragorn and Bob. Surprise, surprise. And – success! – they agree to free Eurydice.
But there is a small catch. Aragorn says Eurydice must walk behind Orpheus as they travel back to Walnut Creek – Orpheus is forbidden from looking back at Eurydice until they have passed the last BART stop. Doesn't seem too tough, right? So Orpheus agrees, and the couple begins their journey.
Orpheus can hear Eurydice's footsteps behind him and before long, he can see the BART sign. He carries on past it for 100 yards, and is so excited to have gotten his wife back! But due either to excitement for having succeeded or concern for his wife, Orpheus totally forgets about Aragorn's warning and turns to look at Eurydice.
Eurydice is just on the verge of passing the BART sign, but she hasn't quite made it past. At that moment, three loud noises echo throughout the entire Bay Area, signaling that something is very, very wrong. Orpheus and Eurydice lock eyes for a split second. Eurydice just barely manages to say "Farewell!" before she is sucked back to the milieu.
Orpheus reaches for her – but he's grabbing at air.
Our guy is stunned. What should he do? He tries to enter the infoshop a second time, but this time the guard dog won't let him pass.
Now it's time for more wallowing. For seven months, Orpheus sits weeping on the banks of Suisun Bay.
Anonymous (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 02:54
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I've, maybe not left, but
I've, maybe not left, but distanced myself from what gets called anarchist where i'm at (libertarian socialism and/or anarcho-marxism). All they want to do is jerk off at how syndicalist they are, celebrate minimal, meaningless strikes (associated with the syndicalists union ofc) and read the usual leftist literature - and anyone who diverts from this line has no place there.
Anonymous (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 08:51
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fuck milieus! be anarchic,
fuck milieus! be anarchic, have trusted relationships.
Anonymous (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 09:17
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Where can you find trusted
Where can you find trusted relationships, without a living milieu around7 Dominant institutions? Bloc parties (assuming you're privileged/lucky enough to have those in your bloc)?
I'm all critical of the shape that anarchoid milieus have taken in NA cities where I've been, but what are the alternatives?
. (not verified)
Sat, 08/06/2016 - 09:29
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^ trapped in anarchy cycle think
Anonymous (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 09:20
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Anarchist milieu... where?
Anarchist milieu... where? All I see is a buncha punk rock scenesters who're okay with rape and property (as long as you're in the in-crowd, ya know) and some suspicious bougie Leftists who are as much polite as they are superficial.
desiderata. (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 09:53
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if it's a bad scene, it's
if it's a bad scene, it's everyone's fault.
quite often milieu's lose sight of the prize and become concerned only with themselves.
don't become a milieu? keep your eyes on the prize?
radicals/anarchists/revolutionaries/whathaveyou don't just exist.
they're "made", "created", "unlocked", "radicalized", "found". not by people.
but by subversive moments, situations, ruptures, etc...
don't give up
desiderata.riseup.net
Anonymous (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 13:37
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I agree with that, but the
I agree with that, but the problem is that most of the subversive moments and situations I've experienced or created on my own were isolated actions where nobody cares, and no one's even around. How do I find accomplices to take down power lines or antennas, attack bank trucks, set a whole neighborhood on fire, or do safer things like social events? A lone person hardly can attract people around. Groups do that. Groups with a base of support among the milieu.
Punks used to be that way, decades ago. Then there was the antiglob-era anarcho-leftists. Now an whole tradition has been lost, and we gotta rethink and rebuild the wheel all over again, maybe because we have put our trust into facetious people, if not people discretely hostile to the cause of anarchy.
desiderata. (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 23:08
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it's not hard to find people.
it's not hard to find people. it's hard to find people who want to co-create subversive moments.
they exist, they're out there. the responsibility of finding them is on us.
if whatever we're doing isn't working in terms of attracting or finding them, we only need to look in the mirror.
Anonymous (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 23:51
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I love you, even if I also
I love you, even if I also can't love you. Yet I believe part of the search is having a clear idea of what/who we're looking for. Tons of youngsters out there get to subvert shit sometimes. They don't make a life out of if, though.
Tiqqunians were partly right in saying that we should draw and follow lines of rupture, as a form of life. It's actually curves, zig zags and breaks. (but hey, commies can't think outside of symmetry... what can we do?).
fauvenoir@riseup.net
desiderata. (not verified)
Thu, 08/04/2016 - 17:48
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if we are committed to the
if we are committed to the unraveling of this world, we can never have a clear idea of what/who we're looking for beyond our commitment to the unraveling of this world. our commitment is a commitment into the void, into the unknown, a never-ending adventure. That is our form of life.
s.w. (not verified)
Thu, 08/04/2016 - 19:03
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infinite
i agree and disagree with you. Actually, who is the 'we'?
There are infinite expressions of alternatives to 'this world'. perssonally I don't like this world, I oppose it, because I want to be free, because I want to feel a deeper connection to others and to a natural environment that will sustain me and my friends/band/clan/kin or whatever. So for me the direction i hope humans would take should this world ever fully unravel isn't a complete unknown. I don't want a mass society for instance, or any society for that matter, so that really only leaves small scale permutations of social relationships. I want a healthy environment and an environment that will make me healthy, so it has to be essentially 'green'. A de-massified planet without coercion excludes literacy/schools/universities etc because they wouldn't make sense in a free, green, small-scale world. So the more thoroughly we unravel 'this world' the closer we get to ending up with variations of primitivism or green anarchism,( but which are also infinite), i.e: bands of foraging surrealists, or superstitious groups nomadic gatherers, or gruff dangerous hunter clans or peaceful lazy sensualists, or villages of half starved spiral eyed mushroom eating crazies, etc.
So unknown? Yes. But absolutely no idea whatsoever of the social landscape or practices or orientation or direction? No.
desiderata. (not verified)
Fri, 08/05/2016 - 13:36
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"we" is those of us committed
"we" is those of us committed to the unraveling of this world. to whatever end, forever, infinitely. no matter what obstacles we come upon, be they from within or without.
there is no common or standard or absolute path, journey, program, answer, or solution. there is just an endless horizon, a pathless journey to the end of this world.
Anonymous (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 22:22
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The fault for a "bad scene"
The fault for a "bad scene" is on society. A "scene" appears to me as the reflection of a wider social configuration. I look at the milieu in the city where I live, and they've got exactly the same issues -in that case, bad communications, hermeticism, insular behavior, closedness, pretense and posering- than the non-anarchist or non-political people around. The gangs hanging and drinking beer at the park in the night, that I'm watching alone in silence in despise, have nothing better than any anarchist scene hidden in the background, and vice versa.
If NA anarchists really are serious about their ideas, they gotta consider how ORDINARY they really are in their lifestyles, and how they need a major shift or overhaul in their relations with others. A relational advantage is our BEST advantage.
I know nobody will care about this rant, but I always trust one or two intelligent and non-pretentious people out there might be listening.
desiderata. (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 23:16
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don't blame society. it doesn
don't blame society. it doesn't exist.
if there's a bad scene, it's OUR fault.
the issues that exist in your local scene are a result of a lack of commitment. a commitment to commitment. to the unraveling of this world. find those who have that commitment, that feeling in their bones. whether they're in the scene or outside of it.
Anonymous (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 10:02
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in fascist amerikkka milieu
in fascist amerikkka milieu leaves you
shadowsmoke
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 10:41
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I most like the milieu cuz it has anarchists in it
I find it frustrating because there are no actual anarchists in it.
In all seriousness tho, as with most TOTWs, I disagree with the premise... THE milieu? I mean, there is no global scene (yeah, "scene" is just "milieu" but less silly, I'd say "milieu" were I speaking french, y'all Yankees have been affected by at least half-wanky French ultraleft books too much), there is at best some spectrum of culture that might be worth semantically clumping together in some way.
How it is in your town, or even North America (which seems a rather big place to generalize about, but hey, I do it too), ain't saying much about other places - at least not necessarily.
thecollective
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 11:48
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this is true for everyone
but more for some than for others -- if you have an idea for topic of the week, shout it out. if it piques our interest, we'll be happy to post it as a totw...
fauvenoir (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 20:18
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to that "SS" dude
"Milieu" in French is often used in the sense of a "milieu de vie". Which means a life-supporting ensemble or social configuration. Can be an ecosystem. Can be a damn suburbia. Or a communal house of radiCULLs...
Yet in the civilized sense it means a configuration which supports only its own, self-serving form of life, instead of Life as some general fact of existence. Hence why, through the punk just like the yuppie subcultures there is complete disregard for any life outside of the preset form of life.
Also it's always nice to have your input, but next time work harder having some substance to your comments, as they are precious, since I -like many others- know you from real life. You appear to be scared of taking any position in the fear of being judged by your brethren. Which is totally understandable, yet still not exactly brave.
Of course I never write anything here I wouldn't say straight up to another party's face, but since it's so fucking hard to have a talk in person with any other anarchist around here...
shadowsmoke
Wed, 08/03/2016 - 06:51
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yeah, I regretted the comment almost immediately
Cuz yes, the word is not exactly the same as "scene" as you say.
And yeah, I dunno, just ranty. Thanks for your kind words. Really, I am trying to comment less, since I have often feel (right now) like I don't have interesting things to say, or don't have a strong conviction about something, or don't think my opinion is going to be particularly meaningful to anyone simply because I expressed it. But haha, I think I have a desire to participate all the same, which tends towards expressions of ranty pedantry.
fauvenoir (not verified)
Thu, 08/04/2016 - 09:19
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So the other day during a
So the other day during a trip on some really good organic weed grown under a power line I find out that I'm really just a clown in this life... though most often a sad clown.
Which is probably why I tend to be bitchy for a bit of lols though I'm never sure people get the humor around here, but nowhere did I suggested you should comment less (you aren't comment much already). Anyways comments on Anews are sooo important that I'm sure coming across any punk in the street asking last week's TOTW will get me a live debate (nope).
But srsly I reiterate that in your position the best thing to do would be to develop moments and spaces with your "milieu" for Better Comment Sections, I mean in real life.
Now I'm way beyond my weekly quota of words under that nickname. taw taw and see you maybe someday somewhere...
Margaret Thatch... (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 11:13
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There is no such thing as a
There is no such thing as a milieu, only individuals and their families.
Milieu is a spook, a name on a map, a wheel in your head. Nothing outside your own ego is real.
Anonymous (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 19:58
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Knee jerk comment is knee
Knee jerk comment is knee jerk.
There's no fixed self. There's no self/other split. There's no individual/environment split either.
Nice try.
shadowsnoke (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 20:20
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Yes but no. ..I guess. (lol)
Yes but no.
..I guess.
(lol)
SirEinzige (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 12:22
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Neither ego or society
Are real.
Anonymous (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 17:45
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http://youtu.be/Ft_N-skpXRs
http://youtu.be/Ft_N-skpXRs
Anonymous (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 22:28
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https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHto7qnoP3Q
Hey I can do that too!
Anonymous (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 17:48
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Ha! great discussion in the
Ha! great discussion in the middle of the biggest black uprising since the 60s.
Worthless losers.
Anonymous (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 19:30
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Losers are those playing the
Losers are those playing the social game of capital. They are all losers because the only winners are some aristocracy who's assigning their buddies and family members to high positions of the invisible power (finance, big industry and the media); therefore attempting to "win" get some privilege means being just another rat.
Le Way (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 19:39
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60s Marxism FTW!
60s Marxism FTW! There was the 'Stone Age' the 'Bronze' the 'Iron Age' and now in the 21st Century, the 'Irony Age'.
Anonymous (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 18:45
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I have never considered
I have never considered myself part of the local scene but have been around it for like 15 years. Anarchy is my life and people do not impact that. If you let people impact you (no matter what you are doing) to the point where you stop you weren't really wanting to do it anyhow. Right now I encourage anarchy outside the scene and it is absolutely fulfilling and successful. Seeing people side with the anti-authoritarian movement even if only in name and never even dealing with the bullshit is more important than I could ever imagine.
That said, this does not make the milieu happy, for obvious reasons. I get attacked maybe one every two weeks for the past long time.
Anonymous (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 18:47
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Responding to my own comment
Responding to my own comment here: This does not mean that I don't consider it a really good idea to have a close group of friends, an action group or whatever. I don't even discount organizations at all. But if you create an organization for the sole purpose of creating an organization than well, dumb.
Woodsy (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 19:07
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Guilt trippers and identify politics.
Through innuendo, rumours, and public discrediting that a hostile environment was created in which individuals gathered others to willingly, or unwillingly, participate in continuous malevolent actions to force members out of the scene/organization.
What was happening was that these identity politicians were manufacturing an offence, throwing a tantrum and then using the backlash to play the victim.
The identity fiends will not stand any revolution if it is not primarily about them and their needs for attention and power.
Anonymous (not verified)
Sat, 08/06/2016 - 09:10
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I know, but how to destroy
I know, but how to destroy them... or at least repel them from any environment? As of now, after several years of reactionary plotting, they're still circling around the local @ library, which is the only anarchist open space active in town these days.
fauvenoir (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 20:55
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Clues to what the milieu really is about...
It all happened sometime back in 1991-1994. Counterculture did a great, gigantic sell-out of historical, cosmic proportions. Anyone who was not younger than teenage in the '90s knows this. It was so big in repercussions that I guess even an embryonic metalhead scene in Estonia or Kazakhstan felt the tremors from it, and the outcome is still in effect today, more than two decades later. The epicenter of it was a defunct band called "Nirvana", who took garage sludge punk to new levels, which was then called "grunge" music and lifestyle. They got really big commercially, and turned the "underground" inside out. Loolapalooza and shit. The cover picture of the album "Nevermind" was of striking symbolic irony, looking back at it.
But grunge doesn't matter here... what matters is what happened with the teenage subcultures that were thriving in the schoolyards in the years leading up to this unavowed social cataclysm/cultural revolution.
And here's my sociological statement: All the dominant subcultural categories you have today through the Western mass culture are roughly continuation of these embryonic teenage schoolyard identities. Save the rockabillies, who were still very present in the early '90s but since then have went somewhat to the background. Subcultures have not evolved, at all, but only grown up, and spread far and wide. The punch line is that, even though it is contradictory to the basic tenets of some of these subcultures (especially punk rock and hippie), they ALL have become the new way to FULL social conformity.
Anonymous (not verified)
Mon, 08/01/2016 - 22:45
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Elvis did it, the
Elvis did it, the British Invasion did it, that's the whole artiste/recuperation intentional irony aesthetic, its been going on since Jesus has been the dominant behavioral trope in Western culture, in dealing with hypocrisy as a sin, therefore deliberately sinning, to flaunt hypocrisy and show that it is harmless, and to annoy the self-righteous.
Anonymous (not verified)
Thu, 08/04/2016 - 09:29
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You may be conflating things
You may be conflating things a bit. It's rather adventurous to make comparisons between some Cultural Revolution in the '90s and Jesus, and the British invasion of whatever area of the world at whatever time in history... I'd rather go for a walk in the Appalachian mountains.
Anonymous (not verified)
Fri, 08/05/2016 - 23:56
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The Appalachian mountains have
The Appalachian mountains have become domesticated and therefore boring.
Anonymous (not verified)
Sat, 08/06/2016 - 08:44
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That's because you don't
That's because you don't attack the forces domesticating them. So that makes you part of the boredom. Stand up for the forest (because it can't stand up itself) and the bore will vanish.
(Experienced opinion... you think I just go in the mountains like any stupid yuppie tourist!?)
Anonymous (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 08:58
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I left the nihilist book fair
I left the nihilist book fair milieu because I was so bummed out by id pol and my podcasts being dissed. I went to Rojava for a while to see what was up there and now I'm floating around Mexico scalping civilians indiscriminately with ITS. I feel much better now and I would highly recommend that others follow my lead. There is no future in NA @ism.
Anonymous (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 09:03
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Mexico is north america.
Mexico is north america.
Anonymous (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 09:09
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no shit sherlock. I said I'd
no shit sherlock. I said I'd left the milieu, not NA (apart from when I cruised over to Rojava for a bit) and I still say there is no future in NA @ism. eco-extremism and indiscriminate terror is where it's at now homes.
Anonymous (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 16:23
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Hmmm... Interesting, so now
Hmmm... Interesting, so now it's the new shit to be slaughtering random proles for anarchy. No wait... For thre ancestors and dead pagan deities. Got that. I guess that wiht sufficient re-brainwashing to cultist beliefs I'll be good to go soon!
Joris Bohnson (not verified)
Fri, 08/05/2016 - 06:25
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I'm pretty sure the person is kidding
Judging from the way they've written it. If they're not, then they are scum of the highest order and I hope they blow themselves up
Anonymous (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 10:05
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If you're reading or posting
If you're reading or posting on this thread, you haven't left the milieu, but you should (me too)
E.B (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 10:49
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Relationships
Strickly political relationships are weak. They have a hard time surviving stress or conflict.
They mean you are hanging out with people for a reason other than you love and enjoy them.
Key here is home groups. Most everyone has a crew of close friends and maybe family,discuss important ideas, issues and plans with them, then work outwards.
This will help your life in balance.
This is also the basis for democratic autonomy and that democratic confederalism confederaliam in Rojava.
Or anarchist federalism if far flung places aren't your thing.
Start at the family then work outwards.
Quality relationships based on love and affinity never cause burn out because they are part of who you are. They don't sap your energy overall they make you stronger.
Relying on a group of strangers is a sketchy idea. I think not a very anarchist one.
Public offices and libraries, public organizing work can be treated in a professional way. Put your game face on and let a load off when you get home.
Revolution is work. In fact if it is organized well some jobs can be paid work. That ensures your new institutions will be reliable and the commune will grow.
The movement will feed the family/home group and visa versa.
Working with your group that is part of groups of groups that makes for explicit agreements and balanced relationships of solidarity.
*Needing to be alone sometimes doesn't constitute burn out. Take a breather, take care and get back to doing what needs to be done.
Anonymous (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 11:20
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10.49^^Anarchism according to
10.49^^Anarchism according to Dale Carnegie with a Bookchin brain transplant^^
Anonymous (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 13:22
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Olympia, WA
I was "kicked out". I still remain an anarchist, but don't show up to anything 'cause I don't want the hassle of being intimidated by people looking to use my presence to build up their reputation within the Milieu.
I do sometimes wish that I could talk with some of the people who used to be my friends, but I have enough self-respect not to.
Anonymous (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 13:42
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We miss you too.
We miss you too.
Anonymous (not verified)
Tue, 08/02/2016 - 16:42
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What's this... Wolfpack
What's this... Wolfpack bigotry over an anonymous comment section? You must be sooo NOT powerful in real life. Do you even question your leader or you're too afraid?
Anonymous (not verified)
Wed, 08/03/2016 - 01:29
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too afraid...its different in
too afraid...its different in the commune...you dont understand...he has powers i dont quite understand...he pinches our nipples while we're sleeping any time our sleeping bags fall down low enough for our nipples to protrude...i think he pulls them down himself.....
Anonymous (not verified)
Wed, 08/03/2016 - 01:40
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Is this a Kama-Sutra
Is this a Kama-Sutra commune? If it is, sleeping bags are heresy!
Anonymous (not verified)
Wed, 08/03/2016 - 14:15
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you better be pinching my
you better be pinching my nipples with your teeth or gtfo
Anonymous (not verified)
Wed, 08/03/2016 - 18:21
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Kama-Sutra activists burn
Kama-Sutra activists burn down sleeping bag factory then form milieu.
Anonymous (not verified)
Thu, 08/04/2016 - 09:26
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When I was rolling up to the
When I was rolling up to the computer I saw "leaving" and accidentaly thought it said "keating". I was like, yeah, keating like a motherfucker. Leave the milieu and establish communism with people that are willing to do something. It is here anarchy will grow. It won't grow in the critics corner. That is where losers go to sulk.
Anonymous (not verified)
Thu, 08/04/2016 - 20:02
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Pretty much all the people
Pretty much all the people who stick around in anarchy after age ~25 are insane.
Anonymous (not verified)
Thu, 08/04/2016 - 20:32
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Because society is a very
Because society is a very sane place for sane people. Schizophrenia is only when the docs tell you it's there... Blablablabla...
Anonymous (not verified)
Fri, 08/05/2016 - 22:31
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Yeah, it's the culture of
Yeah, it's the culture of pervasive emotional abuse in activism. The comment about relationships seems pretty on point to me...
Anonymous (not verified)
Sat, 08/06/2016 - 09:04
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Tho anarchy ≠ activism. That
Tho anarchy ≠ activism. That, unless you were unfortunate enough to have this kind of shitty urban milieu as the only reference for "anarchy".
Anonymous (not verified)
Fri, 08/05/2016 - 22:47
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Is there a milieu to leave? I
Is there a milieu to leave? I was involved in the NA @ scene ~2000-2008 ending in somewhat of a 'mutual breakup'. Towards the end my friends and I (or whoever these people were I thought of as friends) were talking about how the next steps should be about seizing space and resisting policing, which sounded like science fiction apparently to a lot of people at the time. Now it's become banal. @ stuff seemed to be everywhere during "#Occupy(TM)" but that was it. now it seems like there's nothing but citizenism.
We've entered an age of general meltdown; perhaps the movement has been swallowed up by the chaotic emergence of direct struggles. Perhaps the failure of the political has become all too clear to anyone with a genuine desire to change everything.
If you reduced my views now to their political aspects I guess they would look similar. But this is flattening out one part of a much richer stance toward life and I would consider resisting such a reduction even more crucial to expressing 'what I'm really about' than picking an ideological label.
In any case maybe it's just as well, but it's a bit lonesome when I want someone to talk radical philosophy with, ride trains with to an indigenous resistance camp, eat some vegan mush in a park or whatever.
Anonymous (not verified)
Sat, 08/06/2016 - 00:01
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You wont get vegan mush
You wont get vegan mush at an indigenous resistance camp. Strictly B-B-Q folk, old habits die hard ;)
Anonymous (not verified)
Sat, 08/06/2016 - 03:10
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You're a racist idiot.
You're a racist idiot.
Anonymous (not verified)
Sat, 08/06/2016 - 03:48
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I'm another poster,
I'm another poster, you have to admit that there is no case of any indigenous tribe living on a vegan diet. So racist may not be the accurate term, maybe sarcastic moronic troll?
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Sat, 08/06/2016 - 09:31
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The fact that it is a milieu/scene.
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