Trump and Putin

My brilliant friend

What explains the Republican nominee’s fondness for Russia’s president?

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Anoutsider

As I write, the election outcome is still in the balance, so this remark has a use-by date. IF Trump wins, the event will be a discontinuity in US politics, as well as a giving a shock to US markets. If Trump gets elected, Putin's supposed influence in Washington will be the least of our worries.

enriquecost

"...Yanukovych, the disgraced President of Ukraine who was given refuge in Russia"

Yes, disgraced because Hillary Clinton tried to kill him same way as they killed Gaddaffi....but with the difference Yanukovych was the democratically elected President of Ukraine, the last legitimate President of that nations, who won the 2010 Elections.

And yes, first there was the "interference" of the U.S. in Russian internal affairs in a deeply violent way.

guest-lojjjnm

I don't understand why ppl still believe in Clinton? After all, have the people read the leaked emails or just blindly believe this liar and the main media which is rigged? How many people care about the death of Seth Rich, Shawn Lucas?
They all have insider information about Clinton but just died mysteriously? I guess any EDUCATED people will not think this is a coincidence.

Clinton and Bill has taken the flight Lolita Express 26 times within 3 years, and god knows if they have committed any child abuse? Talking about respecting woman, Hillary helps to cover Bill, a rapist, and I see no point in calling this woman respecting but abuse of political power to violate the spirit of law.

If this election is about the candidate personality but not issues, I just see how evil one is. I am not saying Trump is good and I am not his supporter, but at least all he did is just "minority flaw"(e.g. tax avoiding) compared with endangering the nation security.

kuzmich

The latest polls say this is the first time Trump has led the matchup since last October. Trump 41%, Clinton 39%. Another one 46% vs 45%. It’s the right time to take the lead a week before elections. I don’t see anything bad if Trump and Putin meet in case he becomes president to start another détente. Or you feel it's better to have an old mad babushka who mixes up her private life with official one and uses the same email address for her sentimental revelations and White House business. In climacteric fit of rage, she can easily hit the red button. She will be a mother-in-law for the World. Who wants that!? FBI watches Hillary and might start a law case.

bkerin

Standard hit piece. TE has long believed it's a great idea to bicker endlessly with Russia over strategically worthless bits of the east end of Europe. Bits which have undeniably been in the Russian sphere of influence in the past. Pointless proxy wars with nuclear powers are such a hoot. But Trump says no, so we get this drivel.

Maria Ashot

On any given day, plenty of intelligent & generally vigilant people have their pocket picked while distracted. That does not make the thieves "ten feet tall." It is human nature, especially the human nature of highly decent people, to struggle to conceive of what actions someone extremely unethical might be willing to risk undertaking. Scam artists & identity thieves of all stripes thrive on this specific weakness in human foresight.

On this particular day, the New York Times published, on its front page, an explicit attempt to rehabilitate the mass murderer, Basher al-Assad, via an interview in which his self-concept is extensively promoted. He's not ordering the extermination of families living in the wrong postal code -- he's merely ridding himself of 'enemies' who have defied his Presidential mandate. Western media publish casualty data numbering in the hundreds of lives lost per week in Aleppo; Putin's media, meanwhile, gleefully reported that "over 35,000 terrorists had been annihilated" since the Russian bombing campaign in Aleppo began.

Which is the right figure? Humans like to lull themselves with murmurs about statistics being 'relative' -- or perhaps 'irrelevant.' Except that, of course, in actual fact, there is a precise & finite number accurately corresponding to the casualty toll in Syria. We may not know it today; we do know that it continues to grow. We also know that by the measure of any civilised, rational human being, Assad lost legitimacy some years ago. He's no 'President': he's a bloody dictator, as bad as Pol Pot or Charles Taylor. There's really no excuse for publishing glowing descriptions of his "Franco-Ottoman palace," or his coolly polished, smug demeanour, while more thousands of children, powerless women & adolescent students are being bombed to death when they are not being starved, or being driven mad with thirst.

Putin's role in all this is no mystery. Trump's keenness on Putin is already emerging in the investigative reporting of sharp-eyed journalists writing for Slate, the Guardian & Mother Jones. The likelihood of Trump having been caught in some embarrassing vices in Moscow, of Putin & his reconstituted KGB (nor a Ministry, with expanded powers, not to mention all this wonderful technology the old KGB could not even imagine owning) having 'kompromat' on Trump -- stuff he can be blackmailed with -- is not in the least farfetched. Trump's past affiliations with known members of the Russian mob who drew him into ventures of their own have already been described in detail, in the same NY Times.

It's 2016. We can move past the old-school cynicism that said, well, just accept the Assads, Putins, Trumps of the world. What, give them more power? Expand the reach of their criminal ambitions? Allow more of the world's population to become enslaved? It's bad enough that we can't do anything, or much, to relieve the plight of 140 million Russians. It's bad enough that Ukrainians will have a hard slog in their epic battle to disengage from the Moscow criminal syndicates. Should we also provide Putin with a nice staging ground for further encroachment in the Middle East? Should we hand over US sovereignty to a bunch of amateurs caught with their pants down, so that more damage might be done to Western interests in the name of "getting along better with Russia"?

What's Putin after? Breaking down Nato, of course. Softening up Europe so that he can extort concessions with threats. A Trump Presidency could prove to be the equivalent of shutting down the nuclear deterrent altogether, if Trump decides "the risk of war with strong Russia & strong Putin, in the context of our debt, makes it necessary" to dismantle America's defences. Slashing military budgets to cut taxes, signing radical new 'deals' with the Kremlin (while collecting the obligatory 'Otkat' kickbacks), all in the name of "America First" (after Russia, of course) is not a farfetched scenario in the event of a GOP win.

Trump is volatile, unpredictable, obstinate, in love with himself & unable to check his own worst impulses. He also loves money. If he is not already being paid, or funded, by Kremlin assets, he will certainly leap at the chance in the future. To suggest Putin is merely making 'offhand comments' & is not actually ready to pounce on any perceived American vulnerability -- exactly as he pounced on Kerry's exaggerated sense of his own powers of persuasion & discernment -- corresponds precisely to the kind of momentary lapse in vigilance that allows a skilled thief to make off with someone's priceless billfold, or briefcase, or flash drive, at the worst possible time, in the blink of an eye. Don't be fooled. Don't let your guard down.

guest-ajjlmjmo in reply to Maria Ashot

Obviously, everybody's entitled to their own interpretation of reality but I'm thankful that the Internet has allowed the youth of nearly all countries to interact directly so are able to see the preconceived prejudices and irrational hatreds of older generations for the delusions they are

alex swann

Imagine a USA-Russia coalition, with all their nuclear warheads they could hold the entire planet to ransom with ease. It's a sound plan I suppose, for a tyrant. Winning the election is just the first step in such a plan.

Sydney57 in reply to alex swann

Do you think that a US-UK-France coalition that already controls the entire planet to ransom is in any way better?

We don't know what are the chances of Putin-Trump coalition, but the current coalition of armed to the teeth Western nuclear powers is already in place. Clinton is going to maintain this. Scary.

guest-ajwioosa

When will the FBI tell us about their long ongoing investigation into the RUSSIAN SECRET TRUMP SERVERS ?
This is not a mistake it is a plan.

Didomyk in reply to guest-ajwioosa

NBC had reported that the FBI has an inquiry underway into the business dealings of Trump’s former campaign chair Paul Manafort. They hinted that it is a follow-up on NBC’s August reporting that Manafort was a key player in multi-million-dollar business propositions with Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs — one of them a close Putin ally with alleged ties to organized crime. This raised questions about the pro-Russian bent of the Trump candidacy. Even though Manafort left the campaign shortly after the report, the FBI must have kept the file active. Its time to let the public know the facts.

DKHayek

Hmmm. After reading this "pay for play" Clinton article, I am considering not to renew my subscription to the Economist. Prior to this and similar Clinton slanted articles, I had great faith that the Economist would give me news that I could recommend to others to read. Now I am questioning everything I read in the Economist. I suspect that this comment will be washed and bleached in the "Clinton" way of dealing with un-sheep like comments.

DKHayek in reply to jouris

There's no doubt that both Trump and Clinton deserve their day in court. In this case the Economist needs to be fair and unbiased. It has always been the case that the media feeds on stories that will sell papers, magazines or TV viewership. The Economist should reread it's mission statement: "Underpinning The Economist Group's ability to fulfil this objective is a commitment to independence, integrity and delivering high quality in everything it does"

guest-ajammnjs in reply to DKHayek

I am considering not to renew my subscription to the Economist.

If you want to subscribe to something that confirms your beliefs, might I suggest
Breibart News http://www.breitbart.com

They are very accurate in their reporting.

Breitbart confuses photo of Cleveland's Cavs championship parade for Donald Trump rally

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/08/breitbart_confuses_photo...

NSFTL
Regards

guest-ajjlmjmo in reply to Didomyk

Although, I'd like to see him being joined there by Nicolas Sarkozy, David Cameron and Barrack Obama who was similarly guilty of actively inciting and participating in the destruction of sovereign countries inevitably resulting in vast civilian casualties for purely personal political gain. And of course the same is true for Blair and Bush who are equally guilty.

L-gharef

The presidential candidate The Economist endorsed in 2008 and 2012 was supposed to bring a better appreciation of how other nations operate. As Secretary of State, the first thing Hillary Clinton did is set a 'reset button' on America/Russia relations. Mitt Romney was ridiculed for not realising that the Cold War is over.

Does The Economist actually have a consistent position or does it just repeat what the Democratic nominee is saying even when it's the complete opposite to what has been said before?

Barack Obama and Donald Trump were and are right. The Cold War is over. Communism is dead. What the world needs is a repetition of the 1930s when Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin got together to defeat Nazism. The presidents of the United States, Russia and other leaders of good will need to get together to defeat the real enemy.

The real enemy of today is Islamism. Starting a war with Russia (which Hillary Clinton seems determined to do) is stupid and pointless. Hillary Clinton is two decades behind the times and does not even recognise the modern enemy (because doing so is apparently racist) even as innocents get slaughtered in Orlando and San Bernardino. Hillary Clinton does not seem to care if your son or daughter gets killed. The only thing she seems to care about is that her corruption, undermining of democracy and nefarious dealings are not revealed. As Donald Trump said: "What a nasty woman."

L-gharef in reply to L-gharef

So much time is spent attacking the alleged (and unproven) whistle-blower but absolutely nothing is said about what has been whistled. If Hillary Clinton were running a 100% clean campaign and were an honest politician who does not play dirty, there would have been nothing to reveal in the first place.

Here are a few revelations:

1) Hillary Clinton personally orchestrated violence at Trump rallies and got people hurt.

2) Hillary Clinton got paid off by the King of Morocco and other despicable regimes who have no respect for women and throw homosexuals off high buildings.

3) Hillary Clinton admits to having a stance on an issue when talking to people who pay her millions 'for a speech' (read political influence) and a different position when talking to plebeians who don't pay her.

4) Hillary Clinton got debate questions in advance, undermining the democratic process.

5) John Podesta thinks that the Iran deal will lead to nuclear war.

6) John Podesta admits that Mrs Clinton hates everyday Americans: “I know she has begun to hate everyday Americans, but I think we should use it once the first time she says I'm running for president because you and everyday Americans need a champion.”

7) Hillary Clinton sabotaged Bernie Sanders's campaign.

And that is just skimming the surface. America's democracy has far bigger problems than finding out who, why or how made those revelations. The Economist never ran endless articles hunting down and demonising whoever leaked the Panama Papers (maybe they would have if Hillary Clinton had been mentioned). Nor has The Economist been repeatedly calling for the takedown of Edward Snowden.

This newfound zeal for killing the messenger without even looking at the message is not only worrying for American democracy but also calls into question The Economist's commitment to analyse all data objectively.

L-gharef in reply to L-gharef

Oh, and Joe Biden's threat is nothing more than bluff by a Vice President who knows he is on his way out and won't have to deal with any consequences.

Will the people who went back on the very public promise to attack the Syrian government if it crosses a "red line" really bother taking on Russia in the dying days of their government? I don't think so.
Saying that no one will know if and when the attack has taken place is the perfect cover for making sure that nothing really happens.

Only the most gullible people will think that the Obama administration is planning an attack of any sort on Russia. This is nothing more than electoral posturing.

L-gharef in reply to L-gharef

And when the National Security Agency got caught snooping on the German Chancellor's phone (and other world leaders), The Economist pretty much dismissed it as "All powerful countries spy on each other."

Of course, there was nothing inflammatory to reveal about Angela Merkel because, unlike Hillary Clinton, she is not corrupt.

Didomyk in reply to L-gharef

"What the world needs is a repetition of the 1930s when Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin got together to defeat Nazism"
How did you forget that in the 1930s Stalin's Reds and Hitler's Browns were actively involved in the Spanish civil war ?
And that in August 1939 Adolf Hitler and Joe Stalin got together in an attempt to defeat the world by dividing Europe ?
Communism may appear to be dead ( not quite ! ) but Russian imperialism is alive and well.

guest-ojwiaaa in reply to L-gharef

What an astounding lack of information. Islamism, as you call jihadists, has killed way less people than things such as Assad, small children of NRA enthusiasts, pools, stairs and, if you're going back a couple decades, christians have killed way more than centuries of Islam (the rwandan genocide alone may have killed more than Islam since its beginning).

So maybe you should direct your antagonism towards babies with access to guns and 2-storey houses before spelling statistical nonsense.

dcog9065

Trump's sexual obsession with Putin is unsurprising considering his mental and personality disabilities. What is more disturbing is the reciprocated sexual obsession with Putin from the Trumpette. Through some comically misguided notion of patriotism, the Trumpette has degenerated into an unwitting Russian troll somehow valuing the Slav over the American. Never before in US history has treason to such a degree been witnessed

guest-omnnmei

Kremlin trolls are all in for Donald "Putin-won't-go-into-Ukraine" Dump.

Dump is clearly an uninformed useful idiot whom Tsar Adolf Putler would easily manipulate.

"You're right Comrade Donald, NATO isn't needed. How can I help you eliminate it?"

Kotakis

"How Vladimir Putin's Russia has rehabilitated 1,000 years of despotic rulers"

Just what some trolls like to see. Rehabilitation of Ivan the Terrible, Joseph Stalin the Horrible, etc.

Ask Donald how he would like Putin to be known ?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/how-vladimir-putins-russia-has-rehabilitated-10...

Kotakis in reply to Kotakis

"Similar to Putin’s presidency in Russia, Donald Trump’s campaign has engaged in a war on information, relying consistently on certain counterfactuals and ignoring wide truths in appealing to sections of the electorate. The 2016 election cycle marks a departure from status quo political lying because it reveals and takes advantage of voter indifference towards the truth, indicating troublesome implications for democracy."

Putin's 'indifference ' towards the truth is widely known, except by most Russian trolls.

http://mironline.ca/?p=12781

guest-ajalease

TE is a globalist Rothschild and Soros front. The reason why so many commenters hate Russia is because Putin threw Soros out of Russia, including all of his satellite organizations. Sorry, globalists, Putin doesn't want to play your games.

This is not complex:

Trump admires Putin because his people like him and follow him. He is a strong leader.

Trump does not like Obama because Obama is a weak, feckless leader hated by most of the people.

Hillary is even worse than Obama and will complete the destruction of the U.S.

Trump will restore the U.S. to a Constitutional Republic, like the one envisioned by our founders.

Do you get it, my brilliant friend?

Kotakis in reply to Kotakis

"VLADIMIR Putin has called on his citizens to ‘fight until the end’ as tensions between Russia and the West continue to escalate.

The rallying call was captured on video during a debate at the Valdai Discussion Club in Sochi on Thursday where the Russian president also called his country’s aggression towards Europe ‘ludicrous.’

And you believe him. Of course. You believed LIEVROV too. The Martians landed. Russian speaking Martians !
Next year you may be invited to Sochi.

guest-omnnmei in reply to guest-ajalease

Soros was lucky to be thrown out.

Your jackass's favorite dictator has been known to jail critics and murder journalists and political opponents.

Wannabe American tsar Donald Dump wants to jail Hillary. Dump has learned from his master Tsar Adolf Putler.

guest-omnnmei in reply to guest-ajalease

"Trump will restore the U.S. to a Constitutional Republic, like the one envisioned by our founders."

You mean like the one where blacks were 3/5ths of a person? Where slavery was legal? Where women couldn't vote?

The p---y grabber and serial bankruptcy debtor is a jackass who will get punked on November 8. The main voter block against the serial sexual assaulter? Women. Women don't like sexual assaults.

guest-ojwiaaa in reply to guest-ajalease

The US was never richer, healthier, better educated or safer. Maybe the destruction you refer to concerns political debate?

Russia is almost more prosperous than ever as well, but the end of the commodities cycle, with a little help from Putin's adventures, gave it a few rough years. Luckily for Putin he controls a significant part of the press

guest-ajalease

More propaganda from TE.

Why not point to Hillary and Podesta as the true friends of Russia? After all, Hillary was the one who sold them 20% of our Uranium supply. Podesta is the one who owns thousands of shares of Russian stock.

The Liberal, radical left always accuses their opponents of doing what they do. It is an Alinsky tactic.

Iu2ski

… Instead of the lesser of two, call about the least of three. Only Governor Johnson is on the ballot in all 50 states! In this reason letter from the FBI director could just as easily be something from the Clinton campaign to panic voters who were thinking of supporting Donald Trump.

allowme2sayureafools

Trump had great fondness for Russia president because he is a smart person. He outwit and outsmart Obama and Hillary many times- in Ukraine, in Syria,and in Turkey.

Your best ally, Turkey goes to Russia and offer their deep apology for downing Russia plane.
Few month ago, Turkey was blaming Russia for trespassing their airspace and justify their military aggression. Like an idiot, US blindly support Turkey on this issue.

Now, Turkey offer apology to Russia over such mistake. It deliver a big blow to USA.

Turkey want to improve economic trade with Russia when EU are busy thinking to tighten Sanction on Russia. Another big blow to USA .

It is very hypocrite for West to accuse Trump given that the West had great fondness for Roman empire - a bloody dictator and greedy imperialists ( like current Russia ).

Langosta

Ms. Clinton is Putin's true friend. As Secretary of State she authorized the sale of 20% of North America's uranium ore to a Russian-owned company, in return for contributions to the "Clinton Foundation."

It's no wonder Ms. Clinton deleted those 30,000 emails detailing her corruption with Putin and others. Now that they've turned up on another server, there enough evidence to send Ms. Clinton to the Crowbar Hotel for the rest of her life.

allowme2sayureafools in reply to Langosta

Hillary keep blaming Russia for hacking . Why? She want to downplay the suspicion that she is a real traitor to American people.

Hillary call Trump as a puppet of Russia, puppet of Putin.

She was the politician who want to make "reset button" with Russian after the invasion of Georgia.

sikko6

The truth is that there are lots of FBI agents who are controlled by KGB. This leak proves that.

24oMKty2rD

Are Brietbart and Infowars handing out free access to The Economist comment section? Or is it just St. Petersburg trolls having very little to do now that Trump is busy gloating about the FBI announcing it has found some more emails (they don't know what's in them, if anything, but that has never stopped the low information Trump and his easily lead followers)

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