The troubled lives of Egypt’s Coptic Christians

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Liveinhope

Why? Why should we allow intolerance to be accepted ? Why is it that we hide the truth?
It is not Gpvernment policy alone that influences people . It is the general attitudes of the majority.
That attitude.with heavy control of mdia information allows for stupid stories to replace the truth. Not exposing intolerance usually means that the intolerant will win the conversation .That allows the intolerant to dominate the atmosphere with the hate that they spew out
We need to know why Gaza is Islamic instead of Jewish, we need articles on how why that conversion happened.
And that should be a start for cutting off the legs of the people who make excuses for the hate mongers.
We also need to have storiesabout people who have turned away from a hate philosophyThere are people in Germany who are doing so

ohayo-gozaimasu in reply to Liveinhope

Gaza is Islamic because the majority of its inhabitants are Muslim. Whatever conversion happened occurred over a thousand years ago, and it was not from Judaism which was stomped out from Palestine by other civilizations prior to the Islamic conquest there.

We do need to know though why you don't know basic history, or why you wouldn't bother to at least search the subject on google.

BIN SAFI

Here's a couple of Brief-Thoughts, from the FAR-WEST:

Who ever PLANNED-THIS, can NOT B-A-MUSLIM!
Who ever PLANTED-THIS, can NOT B-AN-EGYPTIAN!!

This has NO-THING 2-DO, with YOUR-RELIGION!!!

It's UP-2-U People, so Make YOUR-DECISION!!!!

Lord Have MERCY.............................

Peace, Love & Respect.

simonelvladtepes

TE removed the comment that Israel is the only place in the ME where Christians are safe!

A recent survey indicated that Christians in Israel are prosperous and well-educated - but some fear that Muslim intimidation will cause a mass escape to the West.

Recently there has been an increase of anti-Christian incidents in the Nazareth area, inspired by the rise of Jihadist forces in the Middle East. Many Christians have complained of being targeted by Muslims, whom they believe are trying to either drive them out of cities that have traditionally had large Christian populations, or to "persuade" them to convert. In 1999, for example, radical Muslims in Nazareth rioted as they attempted to wrest land from a major Christian shrine to build a mosque. In one incident during 2014, a flag of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant was installed in front of a church in Nazareth.

There has also been increasing incitement and violence by the Muslims against Christians who voice their support for the Israel Defense Forces. In a recent case, the son of Father Gabriel Naddaf, a prominent Christian who is regarded as being pro-Israel, was severely beaten. Father Nadaf himself has been suffering from vasts amount of Muslim incitement in recent years.

The Government of Israel has officially shown supports for Christians, due to large conflicts with its Muslim neighbors.

Sempervirens

Christophobia is real and a direct mortal threat to millions of believers across the globe. The Economist, like all other media outlets, does not understand christophobia, and instead bleats repeatedly about "islamophobia" a made-up academic construct.

When will the Economist learn that from Indonesia to Algeria, Christians are not safe from their muslim intolerant neighbors?

Liveinhope in reply to Sempervirens

The Indians have the same problem with Islam
In 1952 there were around 15 million Hindus in the Islamic republic of Pakistan now there are about 300,000
Gangs of knife wielding Muslims butchering families . Young girls being kidnapped and forcefully converted and then married off to a paedophile.
It had never been just a Christian problem
And In the meantime BBC giving glowing reports on Palistan.
In 1971 that army killed 3 million Hindus and Nixon sent an aircraft carrier round support them

TS2912

The Coptic Christians have no choice.

1) On one side they have a secular dictatorship that at least guarantees their survival (as a community) albeit as second-class citizens given deep prejudices exhibited by their Islamic fellow-countrymen

2) And on the other side an Islamic government that guarantees their genocide and exile from Egypt

guest-nnsssjj in reply to TS2912

A secular government guarantees that everyone is treated fair and equally. This whole blog/article perfectly describes how Egypt is very far from a secular country, unlike say Germany or even the United States, whose momentous constitution separates religion and the state. This whole report has even salient statements such as this which you yourself can reread:

"The government frequently failed to prevent, investigate, or prosecute crimes targeting members of religious minority groups, which fostered a climate of impunity, according to a prominent local rights organisation. The government often failed to protect Christians targeted by kidnappings and extortion according to sources in the Christian community, and there were reports that security and police officials sometimes failed to respond to these crimes, especially in Upper Egypt (in the country’s impoverished south)."

That's not secularism. Secularism in the strain that is found in the Middle East and North Africa occurs when a minority group doesn't want majority rule, so it's sensible that a government is agreed upon that doesn't have an overarching religious or ethnic bent, so sectarianism doesn't break out. A government run by a minority wants by any pretense to be seen as a secularist and not a sectarian. But that doesn't fix the underlying political structural problem, and any leader can come in and dip themselves up to their waist in religious rhetoric and policies, while the predecessor only dipped their toe.

People push this "secular" government myth and propaganda when it came to Saddam's Iraq and with Syria now, both Ba'athist regimes. How wonderful, progressive and ingenious the Ba'athist government is, now that Assad is the last one of this kind still standing in the region. The chaos raging in his country must be just a coincidence I suppose.

TS2912 in reply to guest-nnsssjj

Okay, let's ignore the 'secular' word in my post. And leave everything else as-is.
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And it describes (with 100% accuracy) the situation in Egypt.
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Secular democracies are wonderful. One small hitch... the population needs to value secularism and democracy.
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And in none of the countries you mentioned i.e. Egypt, Syria and Iraq does one see this. You ultimately have a choice between a religious dictatorship where religious minorities are destroyed and a non-religious one where religious minorities are allowed to survive.
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(Which supports my point that the Coptics have no choice)

umghhh in reply to TS2912

This is indeed hard when you have a choice between a dictatorship where some rules are made to protect people from killing each other indiscriminately and another one where that is not the case.
The softies in our western societies do not like to distinguish that.
The hardies in our western societies know this and chose to support 'our' SOBs.
With all the disgust with softies and hardies in our western societies I still prefer that to this other choice. We still can end up in war as ongoing battle between softies and hardies may result in going to war with some randomly chosen 'enemy'.

Brunaux

This is not anew to Egypt. The Mubarak regime was doing it. They orchestrated the bombing of The Saints Church in Alexandria in the New Year’s Eve in 2011. El-Sissy is the new ugly face of Mubarak. They'll do anything to create fear and chaos to tighten their grip on power.

guest-ajljeeej in reply to Rob S

Except of course you have no facts coz even the Egyptian vicars spoke out against the baltagiya attacking churches while cops stood by and did nothing. Next time you lie, try not to do it with people
more informed than you.

guest-nnsssjj

A tragedy, but I wonder if anyone who follows the situation in Egypt was surprised by any of this.
This atrocity on this scale could have happened more than once this year alone, and I wouldn't have been surprised at any repeat occurrences of sectarian outbreak.
I wonder if any Muslim leader in Egypt or abroad will issue a fatwa against this sort of conduct, but I suppose that will be asking too much of them. If they do issue some sort of limp fatwa, it'll be on the pretense of that "they were asking for it". They'll be expending their energies instead at cafes, spinning conspiracy theories that the Zionists framed this latest bombing, and that Sisi is a secret Christian or agent of the West. The only thing more fecund in a place like Egypt aside from their reproductive virility, are their morbid imaginations.

farouqsary

It can not be said that mosques are different in EGYPT. It is clear that europe and america govern the spring of arab in EGYPT and other arab countries. The current president Abdulfettah el Sisi is one who has been trained in Europe and America. He is agent of them. He was selected at 90 percent but in a election by 40 percent attendance.

J Worthington

If Muslims had true confidence in their faith being the "true faith" why all the repression?

It looks more like a people who know, deep down in their bones, that in a free and open religious environment, they will have to actually defend and promote their faith as a competitor to other faiths, or even to no faith at all.

Do they know that they will lose members? Would it be like the Trabant of faiths? Quickly abandoned for its inadequacies?

leonmen

Never was it easy to be non Muslim in the Muslim world and today with Islamism flourishing it is more difficult still. This is not only in Egypt but in the whole Muslim/Arab world, however much the media try to make this a problem only for certain Muslim countries.
On the West Bank and Gaza the Christian populations are leaving in droves but the Western churches are still the biggest donors to BDS and their fight to dismantle Israel. Clearly the level of naivity and ignorance of the 'do gooders' is matched only by the mendacity and cunning of this organisation.

simonelvladtepes in reply to leonmen

You're charitable ascribing the efforts to dismantle Israel to naivity and ignorance. Deep inside it's the same old instincts to make sure the Jews stay the losers of history. It's part of the historical and theological underpinnings of both Christianity and Islam.

umghhh in reply to leonmen

They still should have built the damned wall on the border and give up the settlement policy. Although admittedly this i still better than the rain of murderers on the same territory and that is probably the final alternative.

Liveinhope in reply to umghhh

Why should they give up settlement ?
Are the Latinos going back to Spain ?or the North Europeans going back to Europe?
Where should you start?
More Important - Jewish people have historic rights

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