Talk:Arab Spring/Archive 10

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[edit] Maldives

We need to add Maldives as well... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/thousands-protest-against-maldives-president-2277718.html

The other issue is that revolutions are going on to the countries which are not Middle Eastern... --Rejedef (talk) 06:15, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

I believe that would be best suited for the Impact of 2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests page. I've never seen a definition of the Middle East (much less North Africa) that includes Maldives. Good catch though. -Kudzu1 (talk) 06:29, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

It would only work under the title 'Islamic World Protests' or 'North Africa and Asia Protests'. --Smart (talk) 09:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

I d agree that the extention of the article's name is very crucial. Is;amic world is, however confusing because Armenia is a Christian country and the same Georgia. In theory, Turkey is secualar. North Africa and ASia would do but Albania is in Europe and the same Turkey. Also Armenia ang Georgia wouldd go to Europe as well... North African, Asian ans South-Eastern Europe protests 2010-2011? It might be agood idea to add it in the impact. We also should of move countries like Turkey, Albania and Armenia there because they are not Arab states. Turkey is Turkic etc. --Rejedef (talk) 14:18, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Turkey is not secular, nor is it European. 97% of its territory, and its capital are in Asia (the Middle-East), the South Caucasus is geographically also part of Asia. Albania is only partially related to these protests, thus it belongs to the Impact article.--Smart (talk) 03:37, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

If Turkey isn't secular, then neither is the United States. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 04:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

There is no comparison between the two countries, Turkey is an Islamic nation, whereas the US is a liberal Western democracy. --Smart (talk) 12:32, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

And both are secular, despite their populations being very religious. Just because politicians are religious (Erdogan, Bush), does not mean a country cannot be secular. See also Secularism in Turkey & Secular state - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 08:04, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

The government of the US is godless, the government of Turkey is Islamic. This does not concern their populations, and the US population is not religious (majority-wise). --Smart (talk) 15:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

The following quote is from the Secularism in Turkey article:

The current Constitution of 1982 neither recognizes an official religion nor promotes any. This includes Islam, to which at least nominally more than 99% of its citizens subscribe. Turkey's "laïcité" does not call for a strict separation of religion and the state, but describes the state's stance as one of "active neutrality."

This would seem to say that the government of Turkey is secular, although politicians and the political parties may not be. The secularism in Turkey and the U.S. are certainly different. And there are tensions, many would say increasing tensions, between the religious and secular in Turkey. The same is said about the U.S. But I don't think it is correct to say "the government of Turkey is Islamic". And the Religions by country article lists 78% Christian and 15% non-religious for the U.S., which doesn't support the claim that "the US population is not religious (majority-wise)", although there is evidence that people in the U.S. over state their religious beliefs compared to many other countries. And all of this seems to be somewhat off the topic of what would be a better title for this article. Jeff Ogden (talk) 16:40, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Arab Spring

• The series of events is increasingly being referred to as the "Arab Spring" by both the media and scholars alike. As such, this article does not seem to reflect that. It should be brought up to speed with common usage, and what that usage encompasses. The Scythian 20:51, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

There is a discussion about this already ongoing, that you overlooked. Please see here. --Quintucket (talk) 10:17, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Nope. I already took part in several of the discussions, that you overlooked. The Scythian 22:17, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

• Either way, there is serious issue with the naming of this article, as it does not seem to reflect common usage in the media. It is as thought Wikipedia is "inventing" it's own name for a series of regional up-rests and revolutions. The Scythian 00:16, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Strongly agree... everyone is calling the events as Arab springs, their could be another section for events that have been mused by the Arab spring, aka Iran, Azerbaijan, China, etc..

president obama called it Arab spring, ALL Arab leaders, and channels call it Arab spring, http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/445075 41.235.162.254 (talk) 22:04, 20 May 2011 (UTC)--

[edit] Please Read!

There are 36 wikipedias with +100.000 articles. 9 of them (Czech, Hungarian, Indonesian, Esperanto, Slovak, Malay, Volapük, Slovenian, and Waray-Waray) don't have an article. Out of the remaining 27, 20 wikipedias use the term '2010-2011 Arab World Protests' or a variation of that.

Here is the list:

01. German 02. French 03. Polish 04. Spanish 05. Japanese 06. Russian 07. Dutch 08. Portugese 09. Swedish 10. Chinese 11. Catalan 12. Norwegian 13. Ukrainian 14. Turkish 15. Danish 16. Arabic 17. Serbian 18. Lithuanian 19. Hebrew 20. Bulgarian

So, the reason why the English wikipedia insists of coming up with a name no one uses is beyond comprehension to me. I personally put a vote a couple of weeks ago to move the article back to the original title, and a clear majority voted for that. However, the discussion and the vote was archived. And honestly, I now smell rotten fish around here. I honestly get it, protests took place in Iran, but they were another episode of the Green Movement and they died a LONG LONG TIME AGO! We do have an 'Impact' page people. I swear we do. 69.31.51.223 (talk) 20:39, 20 May 2011 (UTC)