A Narrow but Important Victory - the Exeter Debate, and some other matters
I am not yet sure if there will be a filmed version of Thursday night’s cannabis debate in Exeter. It was streamed live by XTV, the Exeter University TV station, but I cannot find out if they plan to put a version on the web.
Nor do I know of any independent accounts of it, or of accounts by people hostile to my position. Organised by the University of Exeter Debating society, the contest took place before an audience of about 240 people in a large modern lecture theatre. The proposition was ‘This House would legalise Cannabis’, proposed by Peter Reynolds, my old adversary and leader of the Cannabis Law Reform party CLEAR. I spoke against. Mr Reynolds was seconded by Stephen Davies, of the Institute of Economic Affairs, and I was seconded by David Raynes, a former senior Customs officer who now works for the National Drug prevention Alliance, one of the few bodies which does not accept the fashionable doctrines of ‘harm-reduction’ , appeasement and retreat, and which as a result is rather short of establishment cash and also of publicity.
Others who were there may wish to give accounts of the exchanges. All regular readers of this blog will know the arguments well enough by now.
I’ll only record what indisputably happened. A vote taken at the beginning showed a fairly strong majority in favour of the motion. At the end (the society, in my view rather sensibly, forbids abstentions on final votes, and urges members to vote according to the quality of debate rather than because of their opinions, though of course this is impossible to enforce or measure) there was a narrow majority against – so narrow that the chairman asked those present to vote a second time. But even so, it was a majority.
I think this shows that, where the arguments against legalisation are strongly and clearly put, rather than ignored or treated as if they are already defeated and no more than a historical curiosity (which is the attitude of most of the media to this debate), people can see their merits. And that when people have the moral courage to ignore fashion, they can reach interesting decisions. Had the students of Exeter voted the other way, it would have been a great boost for the rich and powerful forces which seek legalisation. Their decision to divide almost equally, with a small majority on my side, will be an annoying defeat for those forces, who thought some time ago that they had captured the British national consensus and have been frustrated by the insistent , undaunted opposition they still face
This debate, a rematch after a rather poorly-attended clash between me and Mr Reynolds, will probably be the last I shall do for a while on this subject. I have now argued this topic so many times, often but not always while promoting new book, that I plan to give it a rest.
It is interesting to note that the organisers had to struggle very hard to find an establishment figure prepared to speak alongside me, and Mr Raynes, who swims hard against the tide, is not really an establishment figure any more. I am not as surprised by this as they were. Most of the British establishment have gone soft on this issue, for reasons many times discussed here, and you can certainly expect little help from the ‘Conservative’ Party.
I would like to add here a small personal footnote about Steve Abrams, one of the originators of the campaign to legalise cannabis, particularly of the famous advertisement in ‘The Times’ of 1967, which led to the Wootton Report and to the 1971 Misuse of Drugs Act which gradually and unofficially decriminalised cannabis use in this country.
Mr Abrams is the author of a number of interesting historical essays on this matter, quoted and referred to in my book, and I was much struck by his crisp writing style, his humour and his considerable honesty. During my research for the book, I spoke to him on the telephone and exchanged e-mails with him (he was by then quite seriously ill) and he drily discussed the matter with me, knowing me to be an opponent. I sent him a copy of the manuscript, and very much hoped that he might at some stage review it.
Alas, Mr Abrams has died before he could do so, and I wish to record here my sorrow at the passing of a generous and thoughtful opponent. I have reason to believe (from a person who spent some time with Mr Abrams during his final months, who has very kindly written to me) that he largely accepted the historical analysis of my book (while of course not agreeing with me about other matters). I regard this as a great compliment as he was very much there when the reforms were under way. It is not necessary for opponents to dislike one another. I have always thought this one of the most important facts about life, and I wish more people realised it.
Why, I don’t even dislike ‘Bert’, though I must say I am irritated by him. He still doesn’t get the point about bins. It’s nothing to do with my (undoubted) irritation at having to endure less frequent and more complicated rubbish collections. I can cope with that. It’s to do with the unwillingness (probably better described as ‘inability’) of ‘Bert’ to accept that he comprehensively lost an argument over facts. He just can’t do it. The cause of the infliction of fortnightly collections, slop buckets and the rest of millions of people is without doubt the EU Landfill Directive, and the huge fines it imposes on those who continue to use landfill to dispose of rubbish.
‘Bert’, like many people, didn’t know about this. He hadn’t read Christopher Booker’s articles about it, or looked into it. But rather than saying he didn’t know, he asserted it was not so. When I established, in detail, that it was, he faded form the scene, returning alter to pester me in his Olympian way about a completely different subject. But I shan’t let him forget it. When he said that he had ‘never heard’ of any huge campaign to feminise the Fire Brigade, I was reminded of this. The statement seemed to me to suggest that if ‘Bert’ hadn’t heard of it, it was the campaign’s fault, not the fault of ‘Bert’. This is, it seems to me, his general attitude to facts of which he has not heard. And then, if, when he has heard of them, he doesn’t like them, he thrusts them down the memory ole and never mentions them again, or changes the subject when anyone else does.
Now he complains: ‘On teaching Christianity as a truth you say that I wrote that ‘it would be an assault on their freedom to teach it to them as if it were the national religion, and foundation of the civilisation in which they lived’. This is ridiculous – I never wrote, nor implied, any such thing’.
Ah. Well, first he wrote : ‘You write 'I strongly believe others should be free to believe what they wish'. How do you square this with your statement (you will correct me if I've got this wrong) that Christianity should be taught as a truth to our children in schools?’
I took this – quite justifiably, I think - as a claim that my proposal was a threat to freedom , and replied, pointing out that those who objected would be guaranteed exemption.
But this (to me, a complete answer to any suggestion that my idea threatens freedom of conscience) did not satisfy him. He wrote: ‘Thank you for your reply, but it has not answered my question since most parents will be pretty apathetic on this. My question referred to your apparent support for the indoctrination of children’.
When I said that the freedom to opt out, whether exercised or not, was still available, and it could not be dismissed on the grounds that people weren’t as fervent about it as ‘Bert’, he narrowed his point to thing that had been the issue all along. He thought that the teaching of Christianity to children, in a country in which Christianity was the established and historic religion and the foundation of law, morality, art, music, architecture etc. a s a religion in which they should believe, was wrong. He thought it was wrong because he didn’t like it. He dressed this up as a campaign for ‘freedom’ and pretended that a state neutrality on the subject was not (as it obviously is in a Christian society) an active measure to dethrone Christianity and popularise secularism.
He said ’rant and bluster all you want but I still don’t think that you have addressed my point. You seem to say that belief in Christianity is a personal matter: it’s up to each individual, in the absence of evidence to ‘choose’ whether or not to believe. Fine. But given this is such a significant decision, surely it should be taken by adults, whose minds have matured, who are able to think and reason for themselves? The state should have no role in telling children that one particular side of the choice is correct. To be clear, of course schools should teach children *about* Christianity – it’s a very important aspect of who we are. My issue is with your desire that they should be taught that it is true. Let them make their own minds up when they’re grown up. ‘
I think the details of the exchange above demonstrate that he did indeed imply that it would be an assault on freedom to teach children Christianity as truth.
A footnote to this, in a very tricky post, in which my views are subtly misrepresented (it’s also claimed that ‘I don’t believe what’s written in the Bible’ as if my selective reading of its varied and very different books is a general rejection of everything in it) a contributor who says he is called ‘Mr White’ writes : Peter Hitchens admits that if people are taught about Christianity objectively (the facts, rather than the propaganda), they will not believe its claims. Unless we continue to indoctrinate people at a young age, Christianity will die out.’
Well, I don’t know about ‘admits’ It seems to me to be obvious that what one encounters in one’s formative years is what leaves the deepest impression, and what is most remembered. No civilisation which intends to last fails to instruct (the word ‘indoctrinate’ is pejorative and slanted) its young with the truths it hopes they will carry through life. Why, our own society instructs them (or ‘indoctrinates’ them if you are hostile to its message) in equality, diversity, sexual liberation, multiculturalism and so forth. The same goes for history, national geography, poetry, songs, literature, landscape, tastes in food. This is not because children are easy targets but because they are receptive, interested and inquisitive about matters which adults, once past their early twenties, cease to care about until they are sick, destitute or in danger.
We are all free to reject what we are taught in childhood. Many do, and when they do at least they know precisely what they are rejecting, rather than the embittered caricatures of religion which so many of our cultural leaders like to spread.
But if a child is taught no religion, it has nothing to reject later, and far less chance of discovering faith if it has never encountered it. In an atheist society, such as the old USSR, this is a readily understandable policy (though in my view a cruel and horrible one). The trouble arose, in the USSR, when the materialist gospel which the state *did* seek to teach broke down utterly (as such things do) leaving Russia the moral wasteland which it now is.
In any case, you would think from the tone of the attacks that I were some sort of panjandrum sitting here issuing decrees which would instantly be obeyed, whereas I am merely arguing for a policy which, alas, is being negated as I write.
My critics, on the other hand are defending the policy of those now in power, and disingenuously pretending that it is in some way ‘neutral’ and ‘free’ to deprive children of their religious heritage, and to expunge from the national consciousness the beautiful, moving and unselfish precepts of the faith that has created our civilisation ( and without which our civilisation will, in my view, slowly perish).
But, as such people usually do, they lack the courage to admit the true nature of their destructive plan.