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Blogger Şevket Zaimoğlu said...

There are so many errors in this post that I don't know if I can correct them all. Let me give it a try.

1. There is no such thing as Turkey officially recognizing "two special ethnic groups" that is Jews and Greeks in the Lausanne Treaty. It is clear you have never read the text of the treaty:
http://wwi.lib.byu.edu/index.php/Treaty_of_Lausanne

Section III of the treaty is concerned with the "protection of minorities." Article 38 in this section tells us who these minorities are: Non-Moslems. No reference to Jews, no reference to Greeks, no omission of Armenians.

That was the theory bit. Now, in practice, Jews, Greeks and Armenians were the three minority groups recognized with respect to the Lausanne Treaty. Your claim that Armenians were not recognized is totally baseless.

2. The Non-Moslem minorities, whose rights were protected in the Lausanne Treaty, were not only given same rights (in proviso) as Turks, they were given further rights not even available to the Turkish people! Turkey accepted these rights in the Lausanne Treaty as fundamental law and made a pledge so that it would never take measures to limit those rights.

3. There is a good reason "Kurds, Nogais, Zazas, Ossetians, Laz, Arabs, Georgians" were not recognized by the Lausanne Treaty: they were Muslim and therefore, they were not non-Moslems. Hence, by the logic of the treaty, they were considered as the founding element of Turkey. In fact, during the Lausanne negotiations, the chief Turkish delegate, Ismet (Inonu) even claimed that he represented not only the Turks but the Kurds, too! In January 1923, Mustafa Kemal Pasha gave an interview to the journalists, where he stated that they were thinking of giving some sort of local autonomy to the provinces inhabited mostly by the Kurds.

It is true that Kemalism strayed from that initial promise and began engaging in Turkish nationalism with strong ethnic and fascist tones does not change, but still, this does not change the fact that Turkish nationalism was and still is, to a large degree, fused with Islamic nationalism. Even the prevalent Turkish word for nation, "millet", refers to the Islamic community, not the ethnic Turkish.

4. You say "Did you know that speaking Kurdish was still an illegal practice in Turkey until 2003?" You clearly haven't understood the wide discrepancy between the Turkish reality as it is lived daily on the streets and the Turkish fiction as it is recorded in the lawbooks.

Did you know that wearing a fez is STILL an illegal practice in Turkey in 2009 and will probably remain so in the foreseeable future?

Did you know that all Turkish public servants and MPs are STILL required to wear western hat by law in Turkey?

11:26 AM

OpenID utopiaorbust said...

That's contradictory because Fez are sold everywhere.

The treaty does not specify ethnic groups, but "in practice... with respect to the Laussane Treaty" is what I was getting at.

12:50 PM