For full timeline of the questions and answers in this show visit: http://www.rationalresponders.com/christian_intervention_travis_show_17 The RRS atheist team try to help Travis overcome his archaic irrational beliefs: Christianity. Additionally at the end of the show we'll talk to Meme of HipHopBullshit.com about his song "Original Sin" 13:53 Brian asks Travis if there is any universal evidence that could convince us(atheists). Travis says the bible is evidence. Brian asks if other holy books are also evidence. (NOTE, demonstrates "circular reasoning", using a holy book to prove a holy book) 15:45 Mike asks Travis how he knows those books are true brings up "Herod’s slaughter of the innocence". Asks Travis if he thinks that was a real event. Travis argues that even without original copies, the multiple versions can give us an idea of what was in the originals. Mike explains he wasn't arguing the differences, but asking if Travis thinks the event was a real event. Travis says yes. 17:10 Mike explains that even if we had the original copy of Moby Dick, that does not make the story a real event. 17:40 Brian explains what we(atheists) would like as concrete proof. Challenges Travis over "archeological proofs". Brian points out the multitude of contradictions in the bible. 18:55 Brian asks Travis "If I could show you one contradiction, would that be enough to show you that that this god is not possible". Travis says no. Brian asks Travis if he understands how contradictions work, and if a story contradicts itself wouldn't that lead you to believe that the story is false? 20:15 Rook points out flawed "eyewitness testimony" using metaphor of multiple traffic accident witnesses giving conflicting cop reports. Relates the conflicting testimony to the Gospels. 21:22 Rook takes on the contradictions of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. He points out the conflict in the time that the story's say people arrived at the tomb. Travis fails to understand the question. Rook restates the questions about the details of the resurrection story. 22:53 Both Rook and Brian tell Travis and listeners not to simply take their word for the verses in the bible, but to research it themselves. 25:50 Brian explains while it might be a nice thought that a god exists there simply is no evidence. He also says that if there was a god he would hope it would not be all powerful(omnipotent), because if he loves us, and he is all powerful then clearly he fucked us. Brings up hurricane Katrina. Travis argues that God would not interfere with our "free will". Mike asks "whose free will caused the hurricane?" Travis argues that the hurricane just happened, that it was nature. Brian asks “God doesn't have any control on nature?” Travis then parrots some bullshit pedaled by religious zealots, “If god were to have stopped that[Katrina], it would mess with people's free will.” 26:27 Sapient asks how stopping Hurricane Katrina would've messed with people's free will. You believe it was created by nature and in your belief system, “what rules over nature?” Travis then tries to slip away from the idea that the hurricane wasn't caused by god but Sapient uses the Socratic Method to get Travis to admit that God created nature and that the hurricane was natural. This thereby inferred that God created the conditions allowing Hurricane Katrina to happen and he knew the hurricane would come into existence to kill people “at the moment he created everything.” “We could have all still had free will without that hurricane coming.” 27:30 Brian continues to use hurricane Katrina to show the contradiction in the claims of an omnimax god. Mike points out the illogical nature of this god claim having the power to stop bad things happening but sits on his hands. 31:10 Mike says he could not call a parent loving if it allowed it's child to drown. Travis admits if he had the power to stop something bad he would. Brian points out that god is "all powerful" basically pointing out the contradiction in what we actually see in reality because not all bad is stopped by this god. Rook asks why this God could not create a world without natural disasters. Travis says we all have doubts but "that is where faith comes in". Brian responds that this is not only belief without evidence, but belief in spite of evidence. "faith". Travis says he doesn't in "blind faith". 32:55 To prove Travis uses blind faith, Brian asks what scientific evidence Travis has for his God's existence. Travis brings up the resurrection of Jesus. Travis brings up "fatal format" and then when asked what it is, says “I forget.” Brian makes the point that this isn't scientific, the resurrection and proof of it aren't scientific, they are taken on faith. And thus we have just been spun in a circle in order for Travis to dodge the point that he uses blind faith. Travis claims old scrolls were found. Brian responds "We've also found the Flying Spaghetti Monster at Barns & Noble.”

• published: 19 Feb 2015
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