Talk:Elam

Needs some more pictures

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/08/iran-archaeology/iran-photography shows a picture of tower built by Elamites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.144.241 (talk) 22:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Archaeological evidence

“Archaeological evidence associated with Elam has been dated to before 5000 BCE” with 7 citations of unreliable sources next to it. I suggest reading the WP:RS page!--Xevorim (talk) 01:54, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, there certainly was no "Elam" by today's standards of the term in 5000 BCE ... or Sumer, for that matter. HammerFilmFan (talk) 14:43, 30 June 2010 (UTC)HammerFilmFan

Needs improving, [1] is a good source. Susa ir proto-Elamite and very old, see [2]. Dougweller (talk) 14:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Scribal Error in the Bible?

I wonder if anyone has considered the possibility that 'Elam' ( אלים ), of the Bible, was mistranslated as 'Elim' ( אלאם ). This would certainly make more sense. 'Elim' is said to have been one of the places that the Israelites camped, following their Exodus out of Egypt. Additionally, it has been suggested that the word 'Elim' has Semetic roots, and it's location was between lands of Semetic speaking peoples. —Preceding unsigned comment Autosigned by SineBot

This is not the place for personal (crazy) theories, nor a Forum to discuss the subject. The Talk Pages are for the discussion of Reliable Sources for the betterment of the article.HammerFilmFan (talk) 21:05, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

The only crazy theory I see coming, is your refutal of something very logical, which i have stated.

We don't add statements to articles on the basis of someone's logic but on the basis of what sources that meet our criteria at WP:RS and WP:VERIFY say about a subject. Dougweller (talk) 16:28, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

It is relevant to the article, if someone were to find more information on it. I know in Hebrew, the worm Elim, and ELam are off by one letter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.196.80.82 (talk • contribs)

The word Olam, "world" is off by one letter too. This doesn't mean or prove anything significant, unless perhaps you get a reliable source discussing such a connection, as others have explained here. Please also read WP:OR, our cornerstone policy forbidding "Original Research" on this wiki. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 14:24, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Iranian, Syrian infuence, ancient Vedic colony - really?

• Neo-Elamite period: c. 1100 BC – 539 BC (characterized by Iranian and Syrian influence. 539 BC marks the beginning of the Achaemenid period)

instead of "Assyrian and Median influence" - really?

And perhaps Elam may have been an ancient Vedic colony.

Really? Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 15:21, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

The user Onef9day is a vandal, pov pusher of the worst sort. The user should be blocked permanently.--Wangond (talk) 19:42, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

References

Matriarchy?

Why is this article in the Matriarchy category? There is no mention of a matriarchy within the article itself but it is mentioned under See Also and also the category. Robert Brockway (talk) 02:00, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Tamil

"note: that in Tamil (south Indian language spoken in the state of Tamil Nadu) the meaning for Elam is home or mother land"
Removed from 'Legacy'. This would seem to be a false friend, and besides it's unreferenced. Hyarmendacil (talk) 03:27, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Good move. This constant attempt to tie the Indus River Civilization to Tamil/languages and Elam gets tiresome and needs to be watched out for. HammerFilmFan (talk) 21:03, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Removed from the religion section

I'm moving this text from the religion section of the article to this page, as it has no source. The suggestion that there's link between a place called Susha in the Vedas and the Puranas and the city of Susa in Elam looks like synthesis. Some scholars may have argued that this connection exists, but this kind of claim seems guaranteed to be disputed by somebody.

"There is a mention of Susha as a beautiful city of Varuna in Matsya Purana. Moreover, in Rig Veda it is mentioned that Sage Vasishta visited by sea a great thousand gated temple of Varuna (called Susha). Some scholars believe that there was a cultural and religious exchange between Elam and India."

A. Parrot (talk) 03:48, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

"Womens Rights"

The section on Women's rights seems very out of place in this article, not to mention the nonstandard orthography in the section title. I would suggest its removal but I don't feel it's appropriate to do so myself. Qartar (talk) 07:06, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

It's bad, but I've found a source for a rewrite[3] but I don't have the time. Dougweller (talk) 10:30, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, this section it is out of place because it talks solely about the "general" status of women in "Mesopotamian societies" overall without saying anything at all specific to Elam. 50.193.233.25 (talk) 19:14, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Elam is almost always considered part of Mesopotamia.

I removed the reference , 'being east of Mesopotamia'. The more widely used, though not literal, definition of mesopotamia includes sw iran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:882:100:D7B0:94DC:7D4B:3A08:FCC6 (talk) 14:49, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Women in Elam

The first line in the "Women in Elam" section reads: "At times, Elam was matriarchal society, thus women leading over men and all society. [sic]" That is almost certainly not the case, as the question of whether there has ever been a true matriarchy is, at best, highly debatable, as wikipedia's own referenced article on matriarchal religions attests. Was this odd sentence inserted to make the article compatible in the "matriarchy" category? And can anyone modify it to more accurately reflect the true state of affairs between the sexes in Elamite society? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrinkydink07 (talk • contribs) 08:29, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Shrinkydink07 (talk) 08:41, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

I've removed it. If you look above you can see that the section can be sourced but I never got around to it. As for matriarchy, besides the source I mention above, see [4] and [5] which cast doubt upon the possibility. Doug Weller talk 11:01, 12 June 2016 (UTC)