The Ex-Worker Podcast Episode #34: Staying Safe To Be Dangerous Together
#34: Staying Safe So We Can Be Dangerous Together – In our 34th episode, we follow themes of repression, security, and resistance through several different short features. In celebration of former Green Scare prisoner Eric McDavid‘s release after nine years inside, we reflect on the lessons of his case for our efforts to resist today. We share part of a recent CrimethInc. essay that assesses the possibilities and limits of whistleblowing, as well as an inspiring statement by Jason Hammond (sibling of incarcerated hacktivist Jeremy Hammond) as he heads to prison for his role in an anti-fascist action. Ramona Africa speaks to us about the MOVE 9 case and the life and death of Phil Africa, and an anarchist from Barcelona gives a report about the recent wave of repression by the Spanish state in Operation Pandora. Listeners weigh in on cable access TV, iTunes, and an insider view on security and entrapment strategies. We conclude with reflections on the lessons to be learned from these various cases and recent events on staying safe in order to be truly dangerous to authority. Plus as usual there are a lot of global news reports, event announcements, prisoner birthdays, and plenty more.
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Eric McDavid and anarchist and activist ghetto socializing
Eric McDavid is a good example of the dangers anarchist and activist socializing, especially if you are dumb enough to meet people you never knew before and talk, plan or actually attempt militant actions with them:
http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/elle_anna/421/#14240844113961&actio...
If you don't know someone outside the anarchist/activist ghetto spaces don't plan or talk about any action with them. Also don't associate with drug addicts and alcoholics either(notorious snitches and informants). Also keep in mind that planning symbolic militant actions while living like the typical American, is just a staged farce and hypocrisy.
wow you've summarized so many
wow you've summarized so many lessons that others learned the hard way with such condescension. If these things were self evident each generation of disparate anarchist wouldn't have to learn them again and again... for those that admit error and miscalculations are part of the human experience how about--- there are a lot of lessons to be learned from the last few decades of state based repression and reflection is necessary- there are a lot of good resources out there- read them, reflect and also know that sometimes hind sight is 20/20. Don't let fear keep you from reaching out and making deep human connections...maybe just redefine the time frames you use to determine affinity, intimacy and "knowing" someone.
Ask yourself why the self evident is not evident to anarchists
Does that tell you anything? What I said was just the simplest of common space. Why the fack would you meet someone in the anarchist or other associated activist ghetto and not be ultra suspicious when they constantly insist and bait to make ritual property destruction together? When I actually think about such useless blinders, are pretty much all there is to the anarchist movement. In non-anarchist ghetto literature, like "Vasilika: A Village of Modern Greece" the anthropologist author, Friedl mentions that Greek villagers in the 50's in Vasilika did not attempt to "establish new and direct relations with complete strangers" -- that is those outside of the familial or villager's extra-village associations, essentially what you would likely term a "friend". That is they don't try to meet or care to associate with others based on hobbies or mutual self-entertainment, like what you could best classify anarchism/anarchists today as. And that is how most of the world's social relations operated before capitalism.
Further the type of jackass loud, aggressive, anti-social, behavior that those of Anglosphere and Western Europe associating with drinking and drug use, are considered rude and taboo by other cultures. "Among the puritanical Camba Indians of East Bolivia who consume a brew that is almost 90 percent undiluted alcohol, no drunkenness led to the kind of clowning, aggression, or verbal activity often related to drinking in certain American settings, such as fraternity parties." ("Social Control of Deviance: A Critical Perspective." p. 97)
But good job anarchyists: while pretending to be anti-capitalist you ignore the simple lessons every pre-capitalist society knew! Namely:
1) Friendships based on stupid hobbies like anarchyism are weak bonds and useless, based mostly on self-entertainment.
2) Those associated with drug and drinking culture in the Anglosphere, W. Europe(where there notable by pathetic anarchist standards -- movements) tend to suck, in two many ways to describe.
... there isn't much point to
... there isn't much point to this because you reply abrasively to everything but... just telling people they are stupid naive assholes who come from inherently bereft political/cultural inheritances won't change anything. knowing better but being an inaccessible prick about it isn't super helpful.
there are plenty of things i wouldn't do, but as long as i do prison support i am invested in nurturing more strategic movements. if you think so much about the anarchism is pathetic then i am guessing you are depressed and stuck in north america---- but unless you are born into one of the strong communities with a culture of resistance here--- then you're making it up as you go along too--- so can we just stop pretending we were all born with the perfect political analysis and try and step up and try and be the mentors for others that got us through our 20s?
Guess it must be school
Guess it must be school holidays wherever in the world you are posting from. -1 out of 10 for trolling skills.
With such a high Purity Score
With such a high Purity Score, maybe you can teach us how to do ANYTHING without farce and hypocrisy?
I know morality sucks for you nihilist, individualist losers
The lesson to learn is so obvious, in anywhere besides the anarchyist scene it wouldn't have to be stated:
Minimize constants with shady people. This would include obvious red flag people like Anna the FBI snitch, who would trawl anarchyist and activist spaces to try to plan together with people she barely knew about ritual property destruction. Now maybe if there was not such respect for shitty insurrectionism in anarchist circles, such people would be dismissed outright. But no.
spoken like someone who wasn
spoken like someone who wasn't around then. it wasn't obvious until it happened and others heard about it... and guess what? plenty of other group have been infiltrated since then and lots of folks are doing time... so knock it off with the pretentious assumptions about how obvious it is...
I am not anarchist dumb
You have to be big time into the headspace of anarchyism and activism to do some nonsense like even be around people who don't know, but try to get people to do the crazy types of actions that Anna advocated. But due to stupid insurrectionist worship and hyping of ineffective insurrectionist tactics the anarchyist milieu, she probably had a lot of movement credibility I bet.
Yes, we know who you are
Yes, we know who you are already, brave keyboard warrior.
Got free headspace for your
Got free headspace for your self-inflatable ego! But before, my son, read this:
"The goal of anarchistnews.org is to provide a non-sectarian source for news about and of concern to anarchists"
Explain what are doing here again.
New commenter here.
New commenter here.
Niko, the more you write, the more everyone rolls their eyes and says to themselves, now there is a troll with zero social skills that has a lot of time to waste. What exactly are you trying to accomplish in posting comments here? It seems like you're a socially autistic crazy person who only succeeds in getting people to interact with him at all by insulting them. Have you ever had a positive or educational exchange with anyone on this site? Do you imagine an audience of millions cheering for every hackneyed, hostile comment you bestow upon us? The more you type here, the more strangers loathe you, and the lonelier your life is bound to become. Seriously, what are you trying to do?
Anarchists: all about friends, not being lonely, happy, sad
That is the pathetic level of analysis of useless anarchyists: "are you having fun, do you have alot of anarchyist friends." You guys are all about socializing and having fun through the hobby of anarchyism. In the process you turn opposition to the state and capitalism into pathetic channeled, ritualized jokes.
Also you must be sadly mistaken if you think I seek anarchyist approval. Even the mainstream of society has the sense to hate anarchists. I hate you lot even more for acting as honeypots to real forms of opposition.
lol... But what are you doing
lol... But what are you doing here, then, idiot!?
If you're coming here in the vain hope of demoralizing those "filthy anarchists", it's a continuous fail as well. You sound like a little weasel trying to pick up a fight but choosing to do it through a channel where he won't be taking any physical or verbal blows from anyone.
Like a little fascist idiot showing up by surprise to provoke an antifa gathering then running away before people even start to care of what he was talking about...
I am exposing idiots about fun and socializing
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/7284:infiltration-of-political-moveme...
If we can fight Daesh, we can fight AmeriKKKa too
"Staged farce and hypocrisy?" People who organize and think like we do just expelled Daesh from Kobane! The anticedants of Daesh played a big role in expelling US troops from Iraq, only to be defeated themselves in Kobane by people like ourselves. If A>B and B>C, than A>C and our actions can be a lot more than 'stages farces and hypocrish!"
Big example on all of Turtle Island: The Lakota are prepared for war if necessary to keep the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline away from their land. They are backed by many other tribes and a huge number of settler descendants as well who see the tar sands and associated climate change and poisoning as an existential threat. The huge showdown that has been taking place over this will probably force Obama to reject the pipeline, and when he is gone in two years a lot of the financing will be gone. We as a combined movement shut this thing down until economic chaos made the price of oil plunge. As I write this other tar sands pipelines are offering space to move other kinds of oil because their rate for shipping plus the price of producing tar sands oil exceeds the current market price. Looks like we are going to win this one!
Small example in one neighborhood: from 1989 until 1999, Gay and Bi men in DC's gay woods held off the entire strengh of the US Park Police for a decade. I helped with that by teaching my dates things I learned from Army manuals about using the land, cover and concealment, light and shadow. The terrain was well suited to defense, and we made the most of it. In 1999-2000 the pigs started coming in heavier units that could defend themselves, sometimes even resorting to helicopters. Finally, Sep 11th gave them something else to do. As of now, gentrification drove away most of the population base that supported "cruising" those woods, but we still have a toehold there after all these years.
To be clear
I would be removing more of nikolasv comments if people did not respond to them. The conversation is @ relevant. nikolasv's comments (alone) are not. They fall under the moderation guideline against anti-@ material w/o content (due to repetition) and against repitition.
I'd be up for it, only if you
I'd be up for it, only if you do remove them, which would prove you really are Worker. So... starting from now I won't answer to the idiot's replies, ok?
Be back here in one day to see of they are still here. If not, nikolasv will be countertrolled in ways that he can't imagine.
I would be amazed if there
I would be amazed if there are ways to troll niko that he can't imagine. Will you call him a poopyhead and then he'll feel bad and go away?
Thanks very much for this
Thanks very much for this clarification. I will cease engaging with him now. But please, please hold up your side of the bargain. If you do, I promise to have creative, entertaining, and mutually instructive interactions with the few other quasi-human life forms here.
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