*** Download as an MP3: http://min.us/m6Xfttg9d *** Todd Friel and Phil Johnson walk through discerning the events of the Elephant Room. From the Wretched Radio (http://wretchedradio.com) Psalm 119 Conference in Fort Worth, TX., hosted by Sovereign Joy Community Church (http://sovjoy.com) on Oct. 8, 2011 (The audio and video are out of sync by about a second). *VIDEO TIMELINE*: _____________________________________________________ Do you have any problems with Christian pastors getting together and discussing methodology (i.e. the original Elephant Room)? 00:23 Was how they disagreed ok (we disagree but your wrong, but it doesn't matter)? 2:40  - See Phil's post on The Highway to Hell: http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2011/09/highway-to-hell.html The announcement of T.D. Jakes at the next Elephant Room and what he believes: 5:25 Would you speak at a Christian conference designed for Christian pastors where T.D. Jakes would speak? 6:40 Is the Elephant Room 2 an appropriate setting for confronting a heretic for the world to see? 8:00 What about the response. "But we're Trinitarians and are just going to ask Jakes questions..."? 9:47  - Phil's predictions on what Jakes will do: 10:09  - Todd's prediction: 11:23 Are Phillips, Craig & Dean the same person with three different names? :D 12:20 Every heretic in the history of the church tries to pass themselve off as othodox: 14:20 If Jakes doesn't accept the Trinity will the Elephant Room tell him to leave? 16:15  - Here is the video Phil is talking about around the 17 minute mark: "Multiple Sites: Yea or Nay? Dever, Driscoll, and MacDonald Vote" http://vimeo.com/13082622 If you were going to have a hearing for T.D. Jakes who would you invite? 17:43  - Here is the book from James White that Phil talks about: "The Forgotten Trinity: Rediscovering the Heart of Christian Belief" http://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Trinity-James-R-White/dp/1556617259 What do you think of James MacDonalds response that T.D. Jakes is a Modalist? 18:41  - James MacDonald's blog they refer to: http://jamesmacdonald.com/blog/?p=9055 What if Jakes shows up at the conference and repents of Oneness Penecostalism? 21:00 Does this leave the impression that we can reopen the doctrine of the Trinity discussion? 21:35  - Mark Dricoll's blog post refered to: http://pastormark.tv/2011/09/29/reflections-on-james-macdonald-td-jakes-and-the-trinity  - James MacDonald's blog post refered to: http://jamesmacdonald.com/blog/?p=9130 What do you think of their response. "If you critisize up you are a Pharisee"? (i.e. they played the (Pharisee Card") 23:37 What about the bad discerners (or Discernment Ministries) out there? 25:05  - The book Phil refers to: "The first blast of the trumpet: against the monstrous regiment of women" 1558 By John Knox: http://books.google.com/books?id=sFgJAAAAQAAJ&dq;=the%20first%20blast%20of%20the%20trumpet%20against%20the%20regiment&pg;=PP1#v=onepage&q;&f;=false 25:35 Where is the line between what we talk about lovelingly and issues we take the gloves off for? 26:44  - Phil's blog post he refers to: http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2011/10/some-thoughts-on-this-weeks-tempest.html Does liking the Elephant Room mean the person liking it believes all the things the Elephant Room pastors holds to? (on hyper-seperationism) 33:00 Is there a difference between wanting to talk to someone in error and affirming their error? 35:30 On disagreeing with brothers on non-essential issues: 39:30  - Trevin Wax's book that Todd is referring to "Counterfeit Gospels": http://www.amazon.com/Counterfeit-Gospels-Rediscovering-World-False/dp/080242337X Do Phil and John MacArthur disagree with anything? So who is the heretic? :D 42:32 _____________________________________________________ *** Download as an MP3: http://min.us/m6Xfttg9d *** I also suggest you listen to Carl Trueman on this issues (25 minute mp3): http://sovjoy.com/2011/10/carl-trueman-on-the-elephant-room-audio/

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