Loyal Rue pt 4C: "Nature Is Enough" (w Barlow and Dowd)

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00:36 table of contents of Loyal Rue’s “Nature is Enough” is shown onscreen 01:00 CB: subsection of book to discuss: “The Promise of Religious Naturalism” 01:33 quotes from Rue’s book “Everybody’s Story” read aloud by Michael and Loyal 03:20 CB & LR: the “epic of cosmogenesis” as the compelling aspect of religious naturalism 05:28 LR: religious naturalism will prevail if environmental overshoot and societal collapse ensue 06:45 CB: that’s the “personal wholeness” side of “naturalizing religion and sacralizing nature” 07:26 MD: no need for everyone to become a religious naturalist; religions must re-sacralize nature 08:04 MD: cites Bron Taylor and his book “Dark Green Religion” 08:34 MD: agrees with Loyal that overshoot, societal collapse, and human die-off is likely 09:16 MD: the mechanistic worldview (God outside of nature) promotes “spiritual autism” 09:42 MD: characterizes plight as our being “prodigal species” in a time of “Great Reckoning” 10:21 MD: “The current theist–atheist debate is a form of collective insanity.” 11:15 LR: promoting religious naturalism now will better prepare humanity to recover after collapse 11:49 MD & LR: debate if naturalistic metaphysics is foundational for achieving ecological values 15:14 CB: how epic of evolution promotes ecological values by expanding our identity 16:51 CB: practical side of epic of evolution (human nature as “mismatched”) elevates naturalism 18:15 MD: naturalistic understanding of human instincts is crucial for addictions therapy 23:10 LR: (1) increase knowledge, (2) deepen understanding, (3) expand scope of affections 23:55 MD: evidence that biblical literalism fails to heal today’s social ills 25:06 CB: how deep-time evokes emotional therapy via real and imagined ancestral stories of suffering 28:32 MD: story of African-American woman finding strength in stories of enslaved ancestors 30:11 LR: how he remembers the suffering of those who built and lived in this old cabin 31:23 CB: how learning the DNA details of ancestry deepens our personal stories of suffering 34:02 MD: how mechanistic view not only de-sacralized nature but trivialized God 35:10 MD: “the triple idolatries: written word, otherworldly, beliefs” 36:09 LR: agnostics as “most spiritually responsible” v. dangers of zealous belief 37:04 MD: privileging “evidence-based” transcends the theism-atheism-agnosticism debate 37:39 LR: patterns of history have traditionally led the religious to discern God’s will 38:23 MD: advocates “Big History” and David Christian’s online course by that title 39:10 CB: not convinced that we need to “naturalize religion” but do need to “sacralize nature” 39:41 CB: of Michael’s 6-point credo, “ecology is my theology” is key for Connie 40:32 ALL: why naturalizing religions is key evolving them toward ecological values 42:36 MD: advocates 3 books on “evolutionary significance of religion” 43:36 ALL: religion does not require a “supernatural” element or belief 44:50 CB: indigenous oral cultures benefitted by evolving beliefs, unlike text-based religions 46:57 list of titles of all 7 videos in the Loyal Rue discussion series 2014