It's final now

Yes, and those are called JF-17s!

America was never pro Pakistan right from 1947, it was all false propaganda in favor of America, Ayub Khan begged them for favors and aid...it is not too late still ...China is the only friend Pakistan has...solve our problems with all the countries near us including India and do internal developments...God will help Inshahallah.

American congress works through lobbyists. Indian lobby helped by Jewish lobby has succeeded in derailing the purchase of F-16. Our foreign office seems rudderless, no foreign minister, the portfolio is under PM Sharif who is helped by two octogenarians. Dr. Afridi + $270 millions for 8 F-16 seems a heftier price .Why not approach Russia or France for Jet fighters ?

Black mailing, tail-twisting and mega-profiteering is the trick of their trade. Already we have 30 years of bitter experience in waiting to see F-16s from the US. They are not the end of the world for us. We must reply them in same manner and stop our alliance in war on terror. We must concentrate now on our own problems at home.

Aziz says pakistan will be forced to increase strategic power which should be read as nuclear bombs...i hope world takes notice of this madness of pakistani govt and immediately starts putting heavy sanctions and economic blockade of pakistan...

I don't se any war happening in near future between India and Pakistan. And even if it happens, everyone knows the outcome. 8 planes are anyway not going to change the outcome. So why bother?

Why are we talking about 'strategic balance ' now? I thought we were buying F16s for 'counter terrorism ' operations, so Indians have a point when they say it will b used against them.

US stand is not good for democracy or common man in Pakistan...

Strategic balance in south asia, are u joking Pakistan never had a capacity and capability to be a balancing power to India. Look at yourself what will u think if Maldives tell u that Pakistan is disturbing strategic balance.

@Kabul could not agree more one should also add India in the equation. Both these countries can ill afford heavy spend on Arms and defence, hundreds of millions living below poverty line need clean water, schools, and hospitals.

Its better to spend money on poverty and infrastructure...

@KABUL what an extremist thought! And its surprising you are clueless about India's own nuclear program development. Why don't you propose their blockade as well?

Excellent response

So end of fighting drama?

Even JF-17s are not free. Payment should be made to purchase them.

Pakistan never needed these planes anyway. Since they were coming for almost free ( US Subsidy ) they why to refuse. Truth of the day is , if we need something we buy it or make it no matter what ever the costs may be. Our missiles and Nuclear weapons are more expensive and complex. We will incorporate everything in our own jets and make them at par with others. here the looser are Americans only, obviously no US pressure of stopping maintenance etc, and no more to oblige. US and Pakistan knows very well, that they can never be friends, both are using each other as much as they can.

finally a sensible responce from Pakistan

too much talking is bad for you and to your country image Mr.Aziz.If you have don't have money u better stop talking about that.This is pure business...US is seller and ur buyer.There is no friendship over business,including Chinese. Everyone has their own goal n interest.

Pakistan should also cease all the support to USA in war on terror. We have suffered unprecedented losses more than any-other country in the world but there is no acknowledgement. There are many options available for Pakistan like Russian, Swedish, Chinese or French aircrafts.

Pakistan should buy F16 from Israel

Why even bother with F16s when a lot better options are available like Russian SU35. If we go for Russian jets it will rub the American misplaced bravado the right way and we will doing away the American leverage for good.

Guys just hold your thoughts. Many countries living without F-16s. This episode will get a chance to Russia and Pakistan get closer. And China will be happy to supply comparable jets at better prices without any internal pressure and blackmail.

Its actually in US interest to sell F-16s to Pakistan. If only they would think long-term and not be misguided by lobbyist and pressure groups. This is going to leave a deep scar on Pakistan-US relations which even US can't afford given changing balance of power. Poor judgement by US congressmen.

I don't think JF-17s can replace F-16's as otherwise we wouldn't have opted for it in first place. I think its a failure of our Foreign Policy and hence such excuses of replacement's isn't going to impress anyone. The fact is that we have been abandoned yet again by US after the draw down from Afghanistan and hence Pakistan should try to focus on improving its economy and its technological prowess so we are no longer face such issues.

I hope they are not charging for storage like last time.

The cost of one F16 may be more than five JF17's, so why bother?

And why more strategic weapons, I am sure there is enough in the subcontinent now to vaporize all of us!

US hasnt rejected giving Pakistant the F-16's. All they are saying is pay up. How could that be unfair and how can a government spokesperson make a media statement saying , This could be arranged from elsewhere. Stop begging for Gods sake and build an economy that supports your military

Mark my words they will pay for 16s.

Sensible decision at last.

That's going to change nothing, Dr. Aziz. Pakistan will still have to pay $700 million to buy 8 F-16's from any country.

How is that any different? Since the money ultimately goes to Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer of F-16s which is an American company.

I am "Delighted" ! Now, can we will focus on our "TRUE" friends " China & Russia" to purchase these aircraft !

The whole saga started when Pakistan refused to initiate the talks between Kabul and Taliban, its not PAK responsibility to facilitate that conversations, infect Haqani's are not in Pakistani controls after the Massive operation against Taliban.

every one need to play their own part of the game to make a complete peace in Afghanistan. Afghans need to stop playing in India's hand if they want Pakistan to help them out. once Pakistan give a nod to this conversations you will see how the magic works.

US wants Pakistan to fight the Taliban BUT wants to give bigger role to India in Afghanistan. This is going to be a non starter.

US wants Pakistan to fight the Taliban BUT wants to hold the funding for this unless Pakistan releases Dr. Afridi. Another non starter.

US wants to sell F-16s to Pakistan BUT is also beholden to the Israeli and Indian lobbies. This is another non starter.

Three non starters in US-Pak relationship. Choices for Pakistan. Get refurbished F-16's from Turkey at a much reduced cost or go with JF-17s. China is more than willing to fill the gap left by the US and this is not just the financial gap. Yes have good relations with US as they are the sole super power but do not rely on them for anything. Look towards China. Let US sort out the mess in Afghanistan without Pakistan's help. They will come back to their senses in max two years. In the meantime, don't pick a fight with the Haqqanis. No need to.

At the time when USA announced the deal for 8 F16 at a subsidized rates India made a little whpering noises against that ....... I was a little surprised at that time about meek protest but no more..... The game was settled between India and USA thst we will raise hopes in Pakistan and then last minute

If Nawaz sharif wants to be a hero, he should tell the nation when he will stop taking any aid, funds, or social contributions from US. Cut US out totally.

i think India will not worry too much abt JF-17 fighter planes.

@Ahmed bin Babar in what sense is it not good for common man?

@Nomi You seriously think US would be cancelling deal if it was gaining something? They are senators of US and you're a commoner of Pakistan... They most probably have better decision making capabilities in this matter than you.

Foreign Secretary should have said this long time ago, since our Foreign office is incapable of handling Indian Lobby in US Senate, they should have at-least acted before. And please once and for all stop relying anything in the name of aid. Better get the loan to buy these toys. US plays stick & the carrot all the time. Pakistan should get SU35 now which is top of the class and USSR ready to sell it.

Saudi Arabia asthe long time partner of US has lots of F-16s. We can ask them to give us some.

Who knows this may be blessing in disguise. Pakistan should look to diversify it's defence procurements, set up quality defence industries through public-private partnerships, encourage and promote "Make In Pakistan" initiatives. Put our own house in order first. Break the traditional curse of the begging bowls, eliminate the culture of corruption, tax evasion, money-laundering, commissions, kickbacks and criminal elements. Pakistan has enough talent, capacity and capability to compete with the best. Only our priorities and focus need to be set right. Quality education based on sound technical and scientific foundations needs to be provided to our coming generations to prepare them for the knowledge based industries of the future. Enough time has been lost to meaningless rivalries, egoistic issues and feudal systems. Now is the time of action and deliberation. If other countries can do it, we can too. We need a capable, visionary and devoted leadership for this cause. Can we find one.

@Zak : "Cut US totally" Pakistan always been ally to US and hence this is diplomatic disaster for Pakistan. Need to sit back and think rather then giving any rhetoric at this stage.

America has lost out here not Pakistan, the WOT created by the Americans needs Pakistan more than Pakistan needs them. China Zindabad...

Our fighting falcons are JF 17 thunders. Thank you USA for not giving us old planes. Thank you now we can excell in our home made fighter jets...:)

@Kabul And what about the causes that forces Pakistan to increase its strategic power

If J-17s can be used instead of F-16s, then why ask for the latter in the first place.

@amir then why are your people lobbying and why sending your agents in our country and why trying to disrupt CPEC,

@Arbaz Russia won't sell you advanced aircraft as it is jointly co-developing the next generation aircraft with India. France may not sell you Rafael as India will give them the volumes. Sweden, maybe. But they will be as expensive as the F-16s. That leaves Pakistan with China.

@Fareed K, yes we can approach France and Russia or China for the fighters but they will not fund our purchase. They are doing business - with US it was more charity. We are sadly used to charity and can't stand on our feet so far.

Agreed!

It's in Pakistan's interests to increase its strategic strength. To an Indian it's baffling why the Pakistani minister is having second thoughts!!!

@Musclemaan

very good idea.. where were you til now?

@Tushar Singh because these jets will be obtained at a heavily discounted price

@Zak We have the technology and we can build them anytime anywhere

So you were doing a favor to the US by trying to buy from them, is it?

@Rajjo Kumari or from India when they start making them under "make in India" campaign.

Pakistan should get used to this more with US embracing India closely against China. US main aim is to counter China and it will go at any lengths to do it. Recall the Ambassador Lodhi statement last week where she openly said ... China is the bedrock of the Pakistan foreign policy. Guess what, US also heard the same statement.

I am afraid things are not going to improve between US and Pakistan any time soon. Pakistan MUST look at it's long term goals at this time. Is China the best and only option? It looks more and more like this so better put the money where the mouth is.

All intelligent guys here suggesting to by planes from France here .. here a point for you all! India is negotiating to buy 36 Rafale from France and price which india wants to pay is around $ 8 Bn, which means around $ 222 mn for each aircraft! Please do the math.

and FYI that's th rice India wants to pay final price will be higher thn this

Key word is INTEREST. Countries do not had permanent friends or enemies . Whether it is USA , China or Saudi Arabia, every body expects a return for something done. One is reminded of reaction of some emirate countries after Pakistan refusal to join Saudi led forces in Yemen .

@Musclemaan You can ask, but dont expect..

@Taimoor Khan Well the thing is you still have to pay. No one is going to give it you for free.

@Taimoor Khan Seriously? The SU35 are almost 80 mil a piece. Add 200% more for life cycle cost and they come to more than 200 mil for 5000 hr life. Add to that another 30% for support infrastructure and another 25-40% for procurement of Russian weaponry. Comes close to 250 mil a piece. It won't make sense till Pakistan plans to induct at least 5 to 6 squadrons. Do the math as to what kind of budget PAF will need for the next 25 years. Add to this the fact that the 35s do not have ground attack capabilities half as good as the F16s. The 35s are designed primarily for air combat and interdiction role whereas the F16s are truly multi role.

@Zak Sensible thought.

Aziz sir why you only want to compete with India in defense sector what about other sectors where India has global presence.

Total failure of PAk diplomacy, china is untrusted anywhere in the world.

Good we saved few millions. We do not need them.

@Taimoor Khan 1 sukhoi will cost 3 times of F16

Good let's just start building them with technology transfer and while we are at it let build drones better than predator etc.

well if that heppens then it will be a complete failure of Pak - US strategic ties. I am sure neither party can afford that and will find a solution..

Buy from China or Russia.

F-16 is not a commodity that's available in open market. I don't know what Aziz means when he says we'll get that from someone else. There's a clause that no country shall re-sell the defence equipment without prior permission of manufacturing state. Maybe Aziz has some contacts who could sell at subsidised price.

To all those who are saying Russia is Pakistan's friend! Who sold you this dream? India and Russia are strongest allies. And Russia would never give Pakistan any modern weapons, even if they give 2nd class planes, they'd come with a hefty price tag. Please go and read a book from a foreign author on international relations before being so liberal to make Russia Pakistan's "true" friend.

Well Done Pakistan, this sort of reply needed from our side. Bravo !!

@Tushar Singh You are right

@Taimoor Khan Do Pakistan has money to buy Russian SU-35 planes?

@Fareed K We can approach any country for any aircraft but the first thing is we need enough money to purchase them, no country will gift them to us.

As an Indian, we know Americans are not on our side either. They only act in their national interest. Same goes for China vis-a-vis Pakistan. Wisdom lies only in settling disputes between the two of us estranged brothers by mutual give and take, and bring development for our people.

@Taimoor Khan Yes Su 35 being built by HAL and Russia are a good buy? HAL is Hindustan Aeronautical Limited

Why don't you understand no country will give you aircraft with an aid. You have to pay if you want to buy SU 35 or Rafael. Raphael is 3 times costlier than f-16.

Why so much of hue n cry for a handful of fighter jets, which india have already rejected during MMRDA contract bidding because they are not compatible with indian requirement, so better look beyond F-16 which are already decades old and have reached to the end of their life and further technological development stage.

India will soon be manufacturing these. Mr Aziz can buy it from there. Nothing to worry about.

@ali27 The State shall buy them by levying more taxes on the common man...

Who will give your planes without .money?

But from US or Russia, the money still goes to the manufacturer! Which is American.

@SAEED MASOOD Yours is the best comment - 'Solve problems with India'.

The right deision will be not to spend out of pocket $270 mln. on F 16s. Future procurement of F 16 is almost zero owing to political situation in USA. Rather it should invest this money on high end Chinese jets. China will not hesitate to even sell 5th gen. aircraft. Furthermore, Pakistan should engage in serious R & D to develop next gen. aircraft on its own based on existing JF 17 platform, work out Chinese engine which is really high end Russian engines and finally invest heavily into developing and improving new and current UAV technologies.

Now America is more interested in strong democracy than strong military in Pakistan. They want to agree with Pakistan on nuclear, missile restraint regime; peace with India and peace in Afghanistan. These areas are restricted for civilians. So, they want a stronger civilian government to independently talk on these issues.

sounds like a threat...I simply do not think that yelling, swearing, threatening or belittling will get you to the place you want to be faster than kindness, understanding, patience and a little willingness to compromise..till you become strong enough to talk eye to eye.

A msg that international community got from Panama Leaks,is that Pakistan is not a poor nation.And it can afford mega corruptions by their leaders,so it's quite rationale if US asked for payment.

@Fareed K Did you say Purchase of F16s?? You are not purchasing anything. You are hoping USA will give them for free as pakistan does not have any money to pay

@Arshad Since when Russia has become Pakistan;s true friend. Putin refused to even visit Pakistan, forget about friendship.

So much fuss for these planes. Why to speak in public if you have other options.

Surprised to see many people failed to understand the bottleneck here. Promblem here is US is not willibg to selling F16 to Pak under subsidiary price. You pay more for the deal to seal.No need to go to Russia, China or anywhere. Its that simple. No need to blame India here.

@Kabul we've the world's fastest growing nuclear program. So we don't need more nukes. We can make it anytime.

Yes, we will beg, but with dignity

Good, please spend money elsewhere in other sectors

Pakistan should not worry about India. Keep the stockpile of tactical nuclear weapons to keep India in check. JF-17s is good enough for Taliban. No need for expensive birds. Let India sell itself out trying to keep pace with both China and Pakistan same like USSR.

@Mango man These fourth generation F16s are going to cost us 80 million anyway. Are you suggesting that a fifth generation SU35 is less capable then fourth generation F16s?

What are we cautioning the Americans for when they have told us to get lost? Furthermore JF-17 we plan to get has now already landed in the hands of Israel now as we sold the plane without export controls to Burma, Sri Lanka etc. By now Israel has the plans for the avionics, mechanics and aeronautics like the F-16 they will hand over to India. Where will get the jets that can protect us when our enemies have the plans to them? We better stop cautioning others and start playing the game of politics and diplomacy safely as its gonna cost us with the equation or formula figuring in defense.

@Tushar Singh let's hope we don't have any war between us on the behest of super power. All our wars were created by them. If we have a war in future, God forbid, the outcome will be horrible for both countries.

@Arshad , Canada China will supply comparative jet or copied as F 16's.China may be good but they are years behind USA and decades behind in quality.

Jf17 does not have precision striking capability like f16

@lafanga you are quite a visionary

@Fareed K Russia or France are nothing economies compared to US. They can't afford to subsidise jet sales to anyone. Not even China will ever be as benevolent as US was to you. No more freebies.

@raja hindustani what rehtoric are you talking about. Cut US totally means the aid or funds, but the frindship will remain intact and strong. We do not dump friends when it suits us,like some others do.

@Taimoor Khan If you go with Russian jets - 1) you'll never get them on time, 2) you'll never get the spare parts 3) servicing costs will be astronomical...look at India next door to understand.

@lafanga well said.

@Kabul ... Sir you should know that 100% of Pakistan problem originates to help and support Afghanistan and its millions of refugees.

Sartraz, you are no defence expert. F16s ARE F16s and no two ways about it. USA did not say it won't sell the jets, simply we are asked to pay for them. If we can BUY jets elsewhere we can easily pay for these jets. So if we have money pay for them.

Lessons to learned

@Fareed K Agree, This is a clear proof of failed foreign policy. Sure, china is a good friend of Pakistan. But don't put all eggs in one basket. Just look at India what are they doing.

Time has shown that the US is pressurising Pakistan to release Dr Afridi by withholding funds to buy 8 F-16. Its high time the US be told that it should stop interfering in our internal affairs and we should sign a defence pact with the Russian Federation. This would send a clear message to the US not to interfere in our affairs. Usman

no one gives donation.

Thumbs up Mr sartaj aziz.

Upgrade JF-17 to 4.5 level fighter. Get parts from different countries and add them on JF -17 and it will perform much better than C grade F 16 that US is providing to Pakistan. The job can be done in one-third the price of F-16 and there are no strings attached to JF 17 upgrade and its use for national defense. TIME TO FURTHER UPGRADE JF-17 FOR AIR TO AIR AND AIR TO GROUND AND SEA ROLES.

That is a warning only, further steps will be taken shortly

US is unreliable

@Kabul what about some sanctions for indian nuclear programe?

@OZ Put all eggs in one basket and guard the basket well

Good bold statement

I think this is a blessing for Pakistan!!

@Chirag ....F 16 is not the only option for PAF. There is no talk of replacing US with Russia. Find your comment irrelevant. Air craft components can be had from around the world. Add these in a Mig 21 and it will function as well as a F 16. In my view if JF 17 is added with components like advance radars, electronic warfare equipment, data line, etc it will do the job much better than a F 16. Advance equipment for fighter planes are made by many countries. There is a need to add them on JF-17 and this fighter is as good as F 16. This is a very cost effective option too. No need for defense aid from US or any other country.

We wanted independence, we got independence, so now be independent.

@lafanga But India only spends 2.5% of its GDP on the military, while Pakistan spends 3.5%.

It is on the mercy of US to give fund, how can be threatened for not giving fund ?

I agree, it is time to move forward and work with China who has proven to be only true friend of Pakistan. Also the joint development of fighting aircraft should be the way to go. We need to become self reliant and self sufficient only way to claim our dignity back and our rightful place. Enough of this begging and for that we will need a strong leader

@Taimoor Khan - Strongly recommend you gys test drive the Tejas

@SAEED MASOOD China is using Pakistan

@boss correct... Point is noted. Very valid point...

why are you fighting USA war?

We need schools and hospitals I think.

Pakistan has to learn to stand up on its own feet, develop your own Jet-fighters and ICBM's .That will bring respect from the world. There is no shortage on engineers and intellegant brains. People are geneitically intelligant. Get rid of corroupt leaders and their greed.

Sadly poor state of affairs.

@Lafanga @Asif Actually India spends 1.9% of its GDP on defense - less than half of what it spends on education. Pakistan spends 3.5% of its GDP on defense - twice what it spends on education.

That would be great if we stop receiving funds from the US. That will mean that our politicians will not have access to free money and our tax system shall need to improve. The worst thing happening to Pakistan is preventing us from being self reliant.

Please reduce dependency

@RJM because the new generation will take few years newer ones r equivalent to f16

@Taimoor Khan Who will provide money?? Don't be fool. There is a price for everything if you have money.

Pakistan can easily find 1000 f16s with money from offshore accounts

@lafanga If you have dollers you can purchase as much as you want

@Arshad true friend Russia

@Pakiboy101 India is 1 weapons market in todays world and many big weapon companies run by their sell to India.

@Taimoor Khan, I think it is not easy as well. For Russia: India first!

@vmo you are more then welcome to test flight Pakistan Jf17. Tejas is a not even a figther jet which is not even inducted in Indian air force. It is classed as a trainer anyway.

@Justwasif Pray this happens. We can live happily without F16s, Sukhois, Raffals/

You are free to buy any fighter but first pay for it.

Keep hearing will take from SA, China, Russia.....keep hearing China True Friend, Russia True Friend.....America was also a true friend a few years ago.......When will we grow up as a nation....no one gives anything for free....not even Chinese......and not everyone who donates money/planes to us is a friend.....everyone has motives....the sooner we learn the better will be for us......

thankyou usa for helping us to stand on our feet. Pakistan zindabad

@Indian No.1 ..... Americans and F 16 are not the solution for every problem. Investment need to be made in upgrading JF-17 rather than wasting money on older version of F 16. Buying expensive older F 16 is a complete waste of resources.

I am not sure why Dr. Shakil is a criminal. What is his crime - pointing out OBL to US? Pak should be happy he did that because at least now Pak don't have to face constant US pressure that Pak is hiding OBL.

I am not sure why the government is hell bent upon messing up with US. First of all beggars cant be choosers but even if Pak can afford the planes yet it is stupid to mess with the sole super power of the world. Pak should work on establishing good relationship with all and not just this country or that country.

It is a different world order now where there are no friends just interests. Pak needs to watch its interest and not get embroiled in political showmanship with the US, trust me it will not end well for Pak.

Russia is prepared to supply the aircrafts and also Israel.

@Rajjo Kumari Brilliant idea!

@Taimoor Khan - Tejas recently inducted into Indian Army inventory.

Pretext to getting F-16 at subsidized rate was to use against terrorists but it also talks about strategic balance with India which is not US goal. Why should US tax payers support any aid when US has trillions of $$ of debt held by China. May be Pakistan can borrow from China to pay for F-16.

@Fareed K Russia and France will ask for going price for their planes.

@Yasser KSA has a large fleet of F-16. May be KSA can easily give 8 F-16s

Didn't he know that if Pakistan competes with India in arm race it would more burden to Pakistan economy which is already bleeding?

@Fareed K Do u any idea French planes price? India is thinking for years and u want to buy french rafale. One plane will be same price as 2-4 f16

@boss Well said.

@boss - Yep.

How do you fight terrorism with F-16?

@boss good point

If I understand correctly, Mr. Aziz is saying to the US if you are not going to give us free money, we will go elsewhere and spend our own money. Perfect!

@Kabul world also see Kabul involvement in Baluchistan and the rest of Pakistan. I am sure world will take notice the madness Kabul has developed against Pakistan.

Why can't we buy Rafeal Fighter Jets

@Kabul You wish. Look at your own house that is burning for the last 37 years and no end in sight, 4 million of your men,women and children living in Pakistan. At least you should not be so thankless?

Extremely pleased with our statement. Glad we are finding guts to reply to USA?

@Mango man Could not have said better.We will see the extra cost of "Indian assembled SU-35" in few years when MLU comes around, the cost will be exorbitant as we have not seen with all Russian inventory in Indian air force before? SU-35 is maintenance nightmare and prohibitively expensive to fly and nothing compared to ANY US existing 4th generation fighter. F-16 is way superior, nimble an excellent fighter-bomber/air superiority fighter. SU-35 has only bought by handful of few countries for areason, I think only six compared to 28 nations for F-16.

No country will sell F-16 to Pakistan without US approval. Besides, the contention here is the money. Do you expect US to fund Pakistan's purchase of F-16 from another country? So what is Pakistan going to get by buying F-16 from another country? No warranty, no parts supply, second hand... Till early 90s, Pakistan was a friend of USA and India was not. Today it is other way around.

admirable diplomacy from Pakistan over F-16s issue. Don't beg them at the cost of sovereignty of Pakistan. USA knows if he will not sell F-16s, he will pay price these act.

The United States is the champion of democracy. Yet, best relations with Pakistan have been during military regimes and not during elected governments. FM Ayub's period was most cordial. During General Zia's period, US provided huge economic and military aid, including 40 F-16s in 1983. During General Musharaf's tenure another 40 F-16s were received, including 14 F-16s given absolutely free as gift. Compare this with Benezir's tenure, US refused to give F-16s despite $800 million deposit made. Now during Nawaz Sharif's tenure, even for 8 F-16s, hurdles are being created by law makers? America prefers military regimes instead of corrupt civilian governments. That's a historic fact.

If PAK betters its economy in coming years than sooner or later it will be able to increase the military expenditure and buy even good fighters.No country will attack you without any reason in modern world.From the comments posted here it appears that very few are able to catch the right point.If you want to compare with India then there are other more important criterias as well.

@amir you are right.

@Kamal Come on dude. Be sensible. Your tejas is a for the Indian Airforce not Army. As of today, not a single Tejas is in operational squadrons of Indian Air force. Its been in making though for last three decades.

Pakistan finds itself in a peculiar situation.It pleads with the US for doles & simultaneously tries to threaten them with dire consequences if refused.How will Russia help them as they will not supply any planes.Once again crawl to the Chinese as you regularly do.

Why our politicians keep begging US or European countries for funds. Why don't our people stand up and ask our corrupt politicians to bring their looted money back in Pakistan....I am sure if we get the looted money back in Pakistan, our country can buy 10 times more planes and other military weapons on CASH without begging for money.

It is very difficult to persuade the lawmakers in Washington that doctors who help in nabbing terrorists should be jailed and known terrorists to walk free and modern fighter jets are needed to fight a rag-tag bunch of terrorists.

Good luck, anyways!

F-16 were for the anti-terrorism operation which US administration itself admitted. What Pak should do is to withdraw support to US and Afghan anti-terrorism operations. Let US Congress come and face Afghan militants who they created, trained and funded for years.

Begging and appealing will not work. Clear lines of battle have already been drawn. It is Indian opposition to CPEC , blackmailing for transit trade route via Punjab, etc etc.

Indian lobbyists , Indian origin staffers and scholars are feeding biased information to US public institutions and opinion and lawmakers. This is an emerging threat for Pakistan and we better be prepared for it.

@gp65 China is spending $140 billion on defence second only to the US. India is spending around $40 billion. Pakistan spends around $10 billion. Now if India wants to match both China and Pakistan it will need to spend around 8% to 9% of GDP which it cannot sustain with annual growth. Good luck with the arms race.

@Changez_Khan And buying from Russia will rightly put US in nervousness. I even love the thought of this. :)

Why are we talking about 'strategic balance ' now? I thought we were buying F16s for 'counter terrorism ' operations, so Indians have a point when they say it will b used against them. how about that !

@Amir Khan for President !

If the F-16's were so unvaluablein the so call fight against terror then Pakistan should have some pride and dignity and show USA that Pakistan can afford to pay for and buy those planes. It is so obvious that the Pakistan establishment know the worthiness of JF-17 which is cheap and can be bought buy one get one free....

@Chirag We are not talking about jumping from US lap to Russian-lap. Its business. India has always played on both sides of the pitch, we know it, US knows it, Russia knows it. Russia and India are allies. Don't forget that Russia and China and allies too and so are we and China. And,China and India are adversaries too. Its all about business. Why would Russia not sell comparable planes to Pakistan? Because they are concerned about India's survival, seriously? World is evolving towards making regional blocs, economically and strategically. Its not about starting wars its about utilizing resources that should benefit that region. There has to be a reason that Russia and China have friended each other in recent times? Its mutual benefit.
And by the way it was us who decided to become US friend and it was not out of Russian hostility to be honest. Pakistan should reduce dependency on US and at the same time should better its relationship with Russia. Better for all the region.

@Arshad When did Russia became a true friend of Pakistan?

@ukumar not a good option either, we should invest more in jf-17 thunder

with the help of chinese, first was our bomb, now its the CPEC that rattles their mind

we shall over come by the grace of GOD

F 16s are cheaper jets in comparison to Eurofighter or Rafale. So if lack of funds is the case all these planes are ruled out. JF17 may be the cheaper choice but they are all quantity and not quality. Had they been quality, Pakistan would have had them as first preference.

How come the person who helped in tracing the most wanted terrorist becomes "Criminal" for Pakistan? What kind of "War on Terror" is this?

@Taimoor Khan Very true my friend. The first step is the hardest. Tejas has finally received FOC . Keeping politics out which usually comes in between Indians and Pakistanis. MK2 is a beauty of a machine. You will see our defence R&D picking phenomenal pace hence forth.

So it's not a sale and it's a mere aid. If you're at the receiving end of aid, you cannot dictate US.. do you? Try China.. you may get a big fat check in a velvet envelope!

Please avail of the chance to refuse any further assistance to USA.

@Kabul I thinks it Pakistan's preogrative to see how best they can guard there national intrest ... I don't think anyone has the authority to dictate us how we go about our bussiness ... So take a chill pill

So because you have to finally pay for something you buy and not get 'khairaat' yet again, you start having a problem sir?? Where does all the money for defense spending go in Pakistan? Why can't we FOR ONCE be self-sufficient and stop acting like little bickering children?

Searching for a true friend in international diplomacy is like searching for true love in a brothel. Stop this fools errand and think real politik

@boss Pakistan is engaged in a war on terror being clearly funded by India ... Which is setting off the balance .. Clear to say they should be used in counter terrorism role to counter india's influence

@ukumar KSA won't give a plane. US puts export controls and can tell KSA nto to give to Pakistan

That's perfect. We don't need F16 from USA. we can get it from somewhere it else.

If you have money then why are you begging Go ahead and Buy from Any Where or You Want a Gift from your Close Friend China

@Ali absolutely right. Do you know why? Because your military dictators sign agreements with US that are beneficial for US, not Pakistan. The implications are known later. That is why civilian Govt must run the foreign policy. Fauj should be reporting to civilian Govt and not the other way round.

You have money, buy from anywhere. Why do you want it for free?

Pakistan should invest this money in training engineers and updating Jf-17 with guidance Missle and nuclear warhead carriage.. This might be bit expensive but a long term and self-sustaining solution. We are not on a rush anyways.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/us-elections-2016/Pakistan-shredded-in-US-electoral-crossfire-both-Hillary-and-Trump-distrust-it/articleshow/52093355.cms.

We have deservedly become the laughing stock of the world.

To Pakistani Politicians & Generals:

Have some Ghairat and buy planes from elsewhere such as Russia, France, China etc. Also stop fighting US & Saudi wars for them. I don't blame the US, they are broke themselves, over $19 Trillions in debt.

@Pakiboy101 : ill afford? speak for yourself, spare us! We don't buy goodies w/ someone else's money

@Taimoor Khan it is in all likelihood be operational in this year. Yes it has been making for three decades as India had no infrastructure to design a fighter jet. It did very well in Dubai air festival last year. One must keep in mind that it is a Light Combat Aircraft being evaluated against more stringent standards than JF Thunder which is basically a third generation very heavy jet based on an old Russian blue print and even its engine is Russian.

If US stops military aid, Pakistan Armed forces will be 30 years behind. US will control supply of spare parts and secret computer codes in each equipment. Even a car like BMW or Mercedes can become useless if they are reported stolen and manufacturer disables the computer codes. even if replacement to any other manufacturer is started this very minute, it will take billions and years to replace and train on new products. India started diversifying 23 years back and it was a very expensive and slow process.

@Zak; Bhaijan, be realistic-- 1st Sharif is NO hero, 2nd with out US aid (and Saudi's generosity) Pakistan will and can NOT survive 24 hrs. You will have a civil war at hand in no time. Dreams are just dreams. All your core issues with India will also disappear in thin air as well. India is watching and waiting for the right moment to hit us. We make one stupid mistake and we end up with FOUR independent nations from ONE Pakistan. (Remember - Bangladesh)

I wonder how a jet fighter plane is used for anti terrorist campaign.

Afridi helped US as well Pak to trace an intl wanted Saudi terrorist---amd how comes he is an enemy of Pak and why should he and his family be punished

Bold talk....but it must be backed up with action....otherwise it is simply bold talk.

@Usman Toori that's the problem, pakistan makes it strategic decisions based on its big ego, try using your brains for once.

Russia offered to sell Su-35 planes to Pakistan, which are among the fifth generation aircraft. This option is better.

Pak needs to work on precision long range multi role cruise missiles... and all weather long range UAVs capable of delvering full spectrum of baddies.

@Taimoor Khan Sir, the Tejas was recently featured in the Bahrain air show.

The JF 17 was withdrawn from the show, for Pakistan feared that the differences and Tejas' superiority in technology and performance might become apparent for the world to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN4bE5cka_M

Fools paradise is the perfect word ..Nation is neck deep in loans ..Don't have money to buy F16s but wants to buy Russian and French jets..stealth ..too all ..it's not a fish market ..you need to be approached ... Has any country offered stealth technology to pak..Get a foreign minister who understands what Stealth means .. And again over reliance on China ..China is investing for its own benefit ..money goes to Chinese company and engineers .. Learn to stand on your own feet ..Let Pakistanis move around with neck held high ...pak zindabaad

@Junaid Khan The price tag for a single Rafale,including armaments,support and training are about $244 million!:) That is what India is paying!:)

how about asking the Saudis to pay for them ?

JF-17s are like Chinese smartphones where as F-16 are like iPhones. Obviously they will cost more.

Friendship is better than arms race. Pak or India, we are lacking of basic needs water, electricity, schools, hospitals. We need to shake hands of friendship, we don't need artillery stuff, we are the people of third world our poverty level is lower than other nation, we also desperately need food, clothing, housing. More than 90% our people have less or no education. Think on that. Friendship is better than arms race.

We really need them? I think not

Is there a reason why Pakistan would need F16? What does it have to fear? In my opinion, Pakistan and India are two very strong nations that can contribute to the world very richly! I would suggest spend the same $250M to $700M that you may have in your coffers, in collaboration with India to build back friendship and unify the two countries back in to one. Continue to tell yourselves that it was a third party (British) that broke us apart, our elders acted the way they acted based on how things were then..lets respect them for what they did to protect us all... it does not have to be the same nor is it now. Take the likes of Sal Khan of Khan academy and similar others from India - both countries are filled with these kinds of people. All these people can collaborate to make the two countries great again. It is possible to root out poverty, weakness and terrorism. Hate builds hate, friendship builds love and care for each others. Continued in my next blog…

As long as one has the right amount of dollars, you can buy state-of-the-art fighter jets from a number of sellers across the planet.:)

The problem is with charity which is not forthcoming always.

Perhaps Americans realize the whole purpose of the F16s is to threaten their ally India. Perhaps the Americas do not want their weapon systems used to bomb Pakistani population in the name of fighting terrorism. If fighting terrorism was the cause, why would one need f16s to incarcerate Hafeez Saeed and Masood Azhar? No one buys Pakistan's story any more.

@Taimoor khan Yes, in their current form F16s are better in ground attack and close air support roles.

@Kabul Mr. kabul first watch your home ... mind that you are getting even needles from Pakistan from Babur till today you have not produced any thing but drugs...

@Taimoor khan In any case Su35s are not 5th gens. The under development PAK-FA/FGFA is.

Foreign Office Statement: Sartaj Aziz cautions US "We will get the F16s from elsewhere".

How come such a seasoned diplomat like Mr Aziz does not know the fundamental terms of US arms sales?. No country that owns US built F16s can sell their jets to another country without US approval. Period.

Many Indian lobbyists and also Foreign Minister Mrs Sushma Swaraj have already had talks with France, US, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Israel, UK on this point.

Pakistani diplomacy has not been sharp on this issue.

Good statement by Sartaj Aziz.

@kashmira says: Till early 90s, Pakistan was a friend of USA and India was not. Today it is other way around.

Sorry kashmira, your statement is absolutely wrong. India has always been friends with USA, as well as with almost all nations of the world. Indians have always had their own interests in mind since independence. India will never take the bait and work for another country's interests.

If we spend the cost of one F-16 in gaining the technology of manufacturing parts from composite materials and the rest on getting state of the art avionics and engines, combine that with a little bit of redesigning our JF-17 will become nothing short of an F-16...

@SAEED MASOOD China will also want a quid pro quo... Will the nation pay?

@lafanga But Pakistan should not fight the Taliban or anyone for the US. Fight them, ONLY if it is in Pakistan's best interest. So you cant say: "well, we wont fight so and so, even though it is in our national interest to do so, unless you give us free jets..." How silly would you look Mr. Aziz!

Get the Swedish viGen. It is a superb aircraft and a lot can be larnt from its technology. The Chinese are interested in buying the entire company anyway.

Final deal: America should give Pakistan 20 F16 and 20 retiring Chinook helicopters (Which Pakistan can use for floods and earthquakes) for one Billion Dollars plus deportation of Dr Shakeel and his family to US. Other option is Pakistan spend same money to Buy 50 F31 from China and Dr Shakeel and his family incarcerated in Pakistani jails which are notorious for people dying unexpectedly. Dr Shakeel is getting old in jail, even the food serve in Pakistani jails can kill roaches or rats. Time is running out for Dr Shakeel, US pressure will not work but F16 and Chinook deal will; after deal Pakistan military might take him out forcefully or they might even give control of his jail to US authorities; of-course US need Pakistan to solve Afghanistan turmoil and get out of Afghan trap, where they already wasted close to Trillion Dollars for nothing, so did the Soviets and Britishers..., India might be another candidate for Afghan trap...

@SAEED MASOOD Good luck with Pak friendship with China. Lets see who will realize first that each cannot be trusted.

Get your people educated, especially the women... so that they can teach their kids what is right and what is wrong.

@Fareed K ... ... Washington sees Pakistan asa pain in the neck. Especially the Obama administration. Maybe another president will treat Pakistan better.

Shakeel Afridi is a spent shell casing. We should rather negotiate his release with Aafia Siddique under the aegis of serving the remainder of her punishment in PK. Also should look in to the Major from signals who blew th3 whistle on OBLs presence when he walked in to the US embassy.

@M.Saeed ... The US does not need Pakistan. Washington has switched it's priorities toward India. India is asking for drone technology and may get it. Since 1947 Pakistan and India have been trying to play the Communists off the USA. The Arabs were on the Nazis side in WWII and the Communist side in the Cold War. Game over.

@Ahmed bin Babar ... You are right.

@Sachin ... ... Pakistan's elite politicians had better start spending on the poor before the population reaches 500 or 600 million people - and it will in this century.

I am now confused totally when Pakistan says that they fight US war. Isn't fighting and getting rid of terrorism Pakistan's responsibility too?

@Kabul you totally ignoring the fact he said if India doesn't stop increasing its power. read again with open eyes

These planes should be delivered to Pakistan on an immediate basis unless the US wishes to facilitate the terrorist who are being destroyed by such planes. Not sure what the US is thinking here. Pakistan has clearly made the right decision by making closer relations with China and other more reliable allies. The US policy is unreliable and lacks any common sense. Can we retaliate and ''cut down'' the supply routes and also ask that they ''cut down'' their consulate members in the country.

The US is not going to be cautioned so make arrangements for cash and get fighter planes from elsewhere.The US is also playing smart it does not want Pakistan to buy Planes from the $265M being given to Pakistan because they want Pakistan to buy other equipment from the US so the $256 $ goes back to the US Plus they want Pakistan to raise funds on its own and then pay for the F 16/s, so it is a win win situation for the US.Besides they are not to much involved in Afghanistan so the importance of Pakistan has also diminished for now.

@Junaid Khan ... ... Pilot training is more important that the type of jet fighter Pakistani pilots are flying.

Instead of purchasing these things, pakistan govt should use the money for the poorer sections , education and others to develop their country. This should be followed by india also.

@SACHIN sure then please agree to solve Kashmir according to UN resolution and stop stealing water.

Pakistan should begin to improve relations with Russia - we are in Russia's sphere of influence. And purchase Mig 29 and Sukhoi warplanes.

And of course peace with India and closer relations with india and Iran

@SACHIN agreed

Believe me, this is blessing in disguise for Pakistan. Remember Pressler amendment and what came after that( world class 3.5-4.0 generation JF17). All they need to do now is invest this$700 million on Block3 JF17.Buy generation 4.5 technology from any where and everywhere with this money and install it in JF 17.

@Arshad When did Russia became Pakistan's friend? I did not know that!

The reason for sale install is the Indians in the US lobby and government. Pakistan should choose a different Aly because US will be Indian loyal.

poorly handled by Aziz. The coalition support fund was established to fund pakistan fight against terrorism, which pakistan has been doing all along since 9/11.

This money belongs to pakistan as agreed by the bush administration. U.S is going back on its word. U.S is demanding release of Dr Afridi but look how he abused the system and now because of him polio workers and police officers are losing their lives because of the mistrust he left behind. It will also be dumb to open an other front with Haqqani network, which is not bothering pakistan and its a shame that 100,000s of NATO forces and war machine (U.S) can beat Haqqani network in Afghanistan. NOw using pakistan as a scapegoat for their failures. Stop blaming pakistan for the porous border and you can guard them yourselves

From Panama.

"the only hurdle is finances"

This is unique. Why should the responsibility be international community and more specifically of the west to keep the balance in South Asia. It is Pakistan's responsibility. The statements dont put Pakistan in a good light. Mr. Sartaj Aziz can play hard ball within Pakistan but must use his words carefully in foreign relations. Forced to increase strategic power clearly implies more nukes. India will in return do the same. Stalemate will continue. No chance for any resolution.

I feel its a childish reply

If u really need it then buy it from US with self respect

@Ahmed bin Babar Since when did America care about democracy and commen man especially in third world countries?

Pakistan already has F-16. How many needed at a time to bomb militant hideouts ? Maybe 6-10 ???

We want peace not fighter jets!

This blunt statement might stop America to do what Pakistan wanted. It should have been said with some diplomacy.

@jamshed SU 35 is operated by only 2 countries Russia and China. China bought only 12 pieces to reverse engineer its engines. No other countries bought or shown interest in SU35. Even though the aircraft is called SU35 it is an upgraded version of SU27 and is inferior to SU30 which is being operated by Russia, China, India and many other countries. BTW cost of SU35 is multiple times more than F16

So many people discussing on this issue of buying these toys of war ? Pride of any nation is in education, health and standard of living. But don't see any body talking about it ..sad

@Fareed K You comments are good. Pakistan should work on having its own favorable lobby in US like Israel and India. If Pakistan creates its own strong political lobby, then US politicians shall not block any bill favorable to them. Pakistan has done so much for US and lost more than 50'000 innocent Pakistani lives and had economic losses due to their co-operation in US anti terror war. India deed nothing for US but still they have so much political influence in US policies in this region through their lobby. Pakistan has to use its foreign office effectively in US to get favors comparable to the sacrifices it made for US.

How can someone caution somebody for not giving any for 25-33% of the actual price, beyond my imagination, pay or leave...

Good! Pakistan should not kotow to the US's bullying, especially after they renigged on the original deal. I am glad they will get the jets from elsewhere if US does not come good on the deal.

We pakistanis are the sufferers of wrong foreign policies as we do not have a foreign minister. Second thing is we should understand that nothing comes for free in this world. As long as US thought we are potential helpers on war on terror so they helped us when they realized that we are no more useful so they are throwing us out.

The problem is the money which will be required if planes from another country is selected.

Indian lobby is strong... Don't know why India the size it is should fear Pakistan to get anything...

@Fareed K very intelligent comment sir.

There would be no problem buying these F-16s if Pakistan could get back the ill-gotten 200 billion dollars stashed abroad by the corrupt elements . But sadly,this can never happen. GOD save Pakistan.

@Taimoor Khan JF-17 is 3rd Gen. Fighter Plane and Tejas is 4.5. That's indeed a big difference.

Nice resopnse "Elsewhere" and the Elsewhere is: Russian SU-35, Chinese J-10 b, and Russian Mi-35, Turkish ATAK T-129 + Chinese Z-10. You might have noticed the open offer from Bell Textron about AH-1 Zulu/Viper. Lockheed Martin it self will put pressure upon the US Congressmen for the Deal. "Course of True Love - Never Did Run Smooth" W. Shakespeare

if pak could have get jets from somewhere else they would have got it. You need money for this thing. Which country in the world would sell its jets at subsidised rate :)

Was there need to Inform USA what and how Pakistan going to buy ?

Pakistan has always bypassed the vows and handshaking of our heartfelt neighbor China, Why we are not satisfied from JF-17 Thunders aircraft which already in use of Pak Army, why we are violating the our brave and heartfelt neighbors, now it is the time for our nation to uplift the neighbor China, which are waiting since long time.

Yeah Good Choice for China and Russia, and it is the best time for Pak that we should move for hand shaking our neighbors, specially mentioned above both.

Kudos to the great prof Dr. HoodBhoy, his efforts are bearing fruit.

Pakistan should go for J-10B Its competitive to F-16 .J-10B is improved and Has better Maneuverability Then F-16.

@Taimoor Khan Do you know yhe price of SU35?????

More weakness 2 Pak..In the meantime we Indians will have 2 Carrier battle groups by next year, and another carrier being built. And Americans can loan us some of their big ships anytime. Tejas is superior to JF-17 from start(even China doesn't use JF-17). We have FGFA and French Rafale in the pipeline (2-3 years delivery time). Americans, Europeans, Isrealis - everyone's knocking at India's door asking them to buy military HW.

F-16 is a fighter-jet 0f 70s. Now we are living in 2016. Pakistan should think advance.

Russia SU 35; French Rafale; Chinese J-10B are the better options