Bad Idea, Wrong Place, and Wrong Time

Thank you, Bob, for reminding us that there are many highly-valued intangibles associated with a ‘place’ that are often overlooked in an economic sense.  As noted economist and author Herman Daly wrote in ‘For the Common Good: Redirecting the Economy toward Community, the Environment, and a Sustainable Future’:

“The real economic base of a community…. consists of all those things that make it an attractive place to live, work, or to do business.  That means the economic base includes the quality of the natural environment, the richness of the local culture, the security and stability of the community, the quality of the public services and the public works infrastructure, and the quality of the workforce.  None of these things are provided by the commercial economy or produced for export.”

We currently produce 150,000 tons of garbage per year (see table 4.10-41 of County DEIS for the 10-year review).  That garbage is loaded on trains and trucks and shipped to Eastern Washington and Oregon for disposal.  What is Re-Sources stance on this and would you support a local solution?

@Jack.  As RE Sources started nearly 30 years ago as a recycling operation our general position then as it is now is: Reduce,Reuse,and Recycle.  This theme runs throughout our operations, programs, and educational outreach.  150,000 tons is a lot and that can likely be reduced in many, many ways from eliminating unnecessary packaging and buying fresh, local produce to buying more durable items and less disposable junk.  Of course we would support a full or partial local solution if met economic, environmental, and social criteria and proved an equal or better solution than the current one.  The devil is certainly in the details and there is a lot of good and bad options to sort through.  But any solution must start and end with reduction.

LOL Bob,
Jack and I aren’t even close to the same person.  Jack is a grumpy old conservative.  I’m… well, not.
I encourage you to give our garbage situation a lot of thought.  The 3R’s are nice, but of all the communities, I think we do that pretty well.  And we still have a lot of garbage we ship through and to other communities to take care of for us.  “garbage trains” spewing their particulate in other communities so we don’t have to deal with our waste doesn’t sound all that different from coal trains to me.

Clayton,

What exactly is your ‘garbage solution’?  (Note that I’m not implying your solution is garbage.)

BTW, I don’t believe there is any comparison between 48,000,000 tons of coal of 150,000 tons of garbage.  Well, you could compare the two, but one is only 3/10 of 1% of the other.  I don’t see how you can say that 48 million doesn’t sound all that different to you than 150 thousand.  Size matters.

My solution is that we take care of it locally.  I’m not really interested in dumping it in the bay again like we used to, or burying it next to the Nooksack.  But I think that our community, as a whole, could come up with a great way to take care of our own waste.  One example are the plastic to oil processors.  There’s a company in OR doing that and another one further east.  It’s not going to be a “one idea solves all” kind of thing.

BTW, when I compared it to coal trains, I didn’t mean volume - I meant that we are imposing our garbage trains on all the places between here and there.

We had a local solution, two of them, counting both ReComp and Olivine.  The EPA shut them down.  Incineration was a federal pet of the eighties and nineties, but didn’t pan out.  The emissions were excessive and the ash very toxic.  Now we have identified daily covered, double lined for collection and detection, landfills in arid zones as the best solution.  I gotta say, the Recomp incinerator and co-generation turbine are still around. If we can complete the dismantling of the EPA, we could start burning garbage and medical waste again and run that 2 MW generator.  It could be part of the “green” power program, because it’s local, even if it kills everything within it’s downwind plume cone.  Great idea!

Sorry Clayton was just in a conversation with Jack and thought this was a continuation.

I think this is all something worth discussing in a systematic fashion.  I have done some analyses of net benefit from plastic-to-oil devices and I am very, very dubious.  The most desirable approach in all of this is not to create to as much of the 150,000 tons as possible.  Bottled water is still popular and who knows how many disposable coffee cups are used a day.  My family has trimmed our refuse can use to once a month pickup but many have not nor are they even considering such a move.  And while waste conversion might clearly be an option, the side impacts of those operations are absolutely tied to feed-stock and technology.