The video that triggered this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ5fLCwyDig The oceanographer who gave me the backbround info: http://www.scribd.com/doc/41471077/Refuting-Debunking-the-claim-that-the-meeting-of-two-seas-in-quran-is-scientific Image from http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-e.htm Images and background music under Creative Commons license by RobW, Akahodag, Ambergris, firesika, danorbit, jipol, starrynight1, TomRaven, Jared Kelly, jvnunag, Simone Carletti, jvnunag, I raised the following 7 objections [02:09:09] captain disguise: 1) Pycnocline is not the same kind of barrier that muslims have in mind and thus they have committed the fallacy of equivocation; thus rendering their argument invalid. Muslims have failed to provide any support for the claim that when two seas meet there will be "a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed." (sura 25:53), "a barrier which they cannot pass" (sura 55:20). Therefore, the onus is on the muslim apologist to provide evidence that such a phenomena actually exists. 2) The so called "science" purported by muslim apologists is factually incorrect. It is physically impossible for two water bodies to prevent itself from mixing when they meet each other. Differences in temperature, salinity or density will not create "a forbidding partition" (NOTE: this can be easily tested in ones home). Therefore, the onus is on the muslim apologist to demonstrate such a phenomenon is possible. 3) The muslim apologist fails to consider the obvious and mundane explanation for this verse i.e the barrier is referring to bodies of water being separated by land. Since, the quran describes the barrier as something that the seas CANNOT PASS, a land barrier is the most obvious explanation since a non-solid barrier can always be "transgressed". 4) The muslim apologist also fails to demonstrate why anyone should consider alternate fantastical (yet unsupported) claims of an imaginary invisible barrier OVER the obvious explanation of a land barrier. 5) The muslim apologist fails to consider similar verse in older texts namely the bible in Proverbs 8:29 "when he gave the sea its boundary, so the waters would not overstep his command" Jeremiah 5:22 "I made the sand a boundary for the sea, an everlasting barrier it cannot cross." Almost the exact same terminology is used in both the bible and the quran. The bible is talking about a land barrier (sand). 6) The muslim apologist fails to consider the commonality of the knowledge prescribed to this verse as similar sentiment can be observed in scientific texts that are much older, namely that of Aristotle, when he states the following: "Light parts are dissolved from the sea water by the sun and the dense, salty part remain" (pg 132) "...This means that the sea has changed its place. it is possible that a gulf is formed when the BARRIER between the sea and lowlan is destroyed..." (pg 145) Lettinck, Paul 1999. Aristotle's Meteorology and its reception in the Arab world ""For it is clear that a barrier of silt was formed and after it lakes and dry land, but in course of time the water that was left behing in the lakes dried up and is now all gone." (pg 27) "The drinkable, sweet water, then, is light and is all of it drawn up: the salt water is heavy and remains behind." (pg 32) Aristotle, Webster E.W. 2006. Meteorology. 7) The muslim apologist fails to consider that this verse could easily be a rephrasing of verse 6 of the Book of Genesis which says "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." Thermocline - A cline based on difference in water temperature, Chemocline - A cline based on difference in water chemistry, Halocline - A cline based on difference in water salinity. Pycnocline - A cline or layer based on density gradient. The Barrier Zones In The Ocean, E. M. Emelʹi︠a︡nov, Springer, 2005 - 636 pages Thermocline, Chemocline, Halocline, Pycnocline, 18:60 Moses said to his attendant, "I will not give up until I reach the junction of the two seas or (until) I spend years and years in travel." The Arabic albahrayni is used whenever 2 seas meet, even for Moses. The darkness of the seas: "..when in your ship you have now crossed the stream of Oceanus, where is a level shore and the groves of Persephone...beach your boat there by Ocean's swirling streams and march on into Hades' dark house." [Circe to Odysseus] "Child, lying in the cradle, make haste and tell me of my cattle, or we two will soon fall out angrily. For I will take and cast you into dusky Tartarus [River] and awful hopeless darkness, and neither your mother nor your father shall free you." [Apollo to Hermes] So, in this case only Allah, Circe, and Apollo knew about this! Currents The conveyor belt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca4eRt2wwg8

• published: 20 Jul 2015
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