It’s the borders, stupid (forget the BDS hysteria)

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Benjamin Netanyahu and his partner in crime Sheldon Adelson have been pulling out all the stops lately against the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign, ratcheting up the demonization of BDS’ers. We’re anti-Semites, the same people who gave you the blood libel and 9/11. Or we are calling  for “the elimination of Israel.”

One of Netanyahu’s new talking points, a variation of “no partner for peace” (rehashed because nothing is new in hasbara-land, propaganda gets recycled) is how he really wants a peace process and Palestine is refusing to negotiate. The other day the Prime Minister said the Palestinians “refuse to negotiate and then try to get boycotts on Israel for there not being negotiations, which they refuse to enter. Catch 22.”

Or as Abe Foxman put it a day or so later in New York: Israel needs to “come up with some creative dynamic approach for peace.”

How do you fit a square peg in a round hole? The sad truth, for all those scurrying around having conferences to tank BDS, is (as Ronen Bergman writes):

“The main problem in the fight against the boycott is not the marketing but the product. In the world of 2015, occupation would never be accepted.

So forget the new packaging. It’s the borders, stupid. I know how Netanyahu could get our attention. Name the borders for this pie-in-the-sky two state solution. You want negotiations? Cough up your proposal up front for a Palestinian State. No more “without preconditions,” or “final status issues” pushed down the road.

Cut to the chase, and if you want “negotiations” (which we all know you could care jack about except that it will enhance your image and drag out these last months of the Obama presidency), actually lay your cards on the table, tell us where your borders are, and what those wonderful landswaps are. Because American memories are short, but they’re not that short.

The truth is, they’ve got nothing. Fresh off Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban’s Las Vegas weekend, we’re already starting to see the fruits of their labor roll in and there’s nothing but a bunch of handwringers trying to find a way to get Americans to like them. Foxman said, “There needs to be a lot more sensitivity” from Israel to the U.S. Really. Well: How about not flinging anti-Semite ad hominems at your adversaries, or playing the victim card while expanding settlement construction, or killing Palestinian children, or threatening to kill more Lebanese civilians, or helping Saudi Arabia crush Yemen. Oh, and making stupid (albeit truthful) speeches that expose your racism.

It’s all so… last century. There’s nothing fresh. No, other than promoting the meme that they’re just at the edge of their seats and eager to start another round of negotiations. #Fail.

Which leaves the ball in the Palestinians’ court.

Editor’s note: This piece has been edited to remove a statement Netanyahu made at a press appearance, “Justice and freedom for Palestinians are incompatible with Israel’s existence,” which was later quoted by AFP (and others) as being Netanyahu’s own statement.  The PM was actually quoting California State University Stanislaus professor As’ad AbuKhalil, also the author of The Angry Arab News Service.

43 Responses

  1. a blah chick
    June 12, 2015, 2:53 pm

    When a reporter asked Saban, at that Crazy Uncle conference, if Israeli policies might be fueling BDS he said that he was not going to get into whether particular policies were go or bad. Then he launched into a condemnation of anti Semitism.

    They KNOW this is about wretched government policies, that’s why he and Sheldon don’t want to talk about it because they support them. Saban’s company, Partner, pays settlers to allow cell towers on their settlements which sit on land they stole from Palestinians. That is definitely a story Saban doesn’t want to get around.

    They cannot complete in the marketplace of ideas so they can only use their power and influence to stifle the opposition. They’ve got nothing to offer.

    • Annie Robbins
      June 12, 2015, 3:02 pm

      exactly nothing. bds is growing because even mainstream people are finally realizing israel won’t allow a 2SS. so it’s a waste of time talking about it, people like beinart etc, because it’s not a viable option unless someone is willing to force it on israel, which they arn’t. it would take a lot of the wind out bds sails if israel/netanyahu actually made a proposal w/borders. not negotiations. how long can you float never ending negotiations with no viable proposal? it’s been almost 5 friggin years since this fiasco: link to mondoweiss.net obviously never going to happen.

      one state here we come.

      • MRW
        June 13, 2015, 7:17 am

        bds is growing

        So is tedium.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 13, 2015, 10:36 am

        So is tedium.

        drip drip drip link to i24news.tv

      • just
        June 13, 2015, 10:45 am

        Yay, Norway! It’s the law, after all.

        From your link, Annie:

        “A major Norwegian insurance company has excluded two multinational companies from their firm due to their operations in the West Bank, Israeli daily Haaretz reported Friday.

        KLP Kapitalforvaltning stated Thursday that it “is excluding Heidelberg Cement and Cemex on the grounds of their exploitation of natural resources in occupied territory on the West Bank. In KLP’s opinion this activity constitutes an unacceptable risk of violating fundamental ethical norms.””

        I wondered what MRW meant by ‘tedium’.

        Oxford informs:

        “tedium
        [ ˈtēdēəm ]
        NOUN
        the state of being tedious:
        “cousins and uncles filled the tedium of winter nights with many a tall tale”
        synonyms: monotony · boredom · ennui · uniformity · routine · dreariness · More”

        It’s not ‘tedium’, it’s past time to BDS!

    • JWalters
      June 12, 2015, 6:09 pm

      abc, thanks for pointing out that Saban personally profits from the crimes against the Palestinians. As you note, that alone would explain why he wants to silence discussion of those crimes.

      It’s a further travesty that he uses those profits to affect American presidential elections in order to maintain that silence. JFK wanted the American Israeli organization of his time declared an agent of a foreign government, partly to end its funneling money into America’s political process. Natural Mr. Saban will spend lavishly to block that from happening, since that would make it harder for him to cover up the crimes he finances.

  2. just
    June 12, 2015, 3:05 pm

    Kerpow!

    Way to go, Annie! Thanks so much for profiling his sanction- worthy statement:

    “Justice and freedom for the Palestinians are incompatible with the existence of the State of Israel”

    Taken together with the 95% of Israelis that supported the massacre last summer, the majority that reelected Netanyahu, his pre- election statements, his actions, and his cabinet , isn’t this finally enough for the US government to get serious on behalf of justice and drop the charade and favorite ‘ally’ status?

    (wonder how many of our Zionist friends will show up to explain Netanyahu’s comment…)

    • Annie Robbins
      June 12, 2015, 3:22 pm

      thank you just! i think you may have been the person who first called my attention to the jvp tweet w/that quote.

    • Annie Robbins
      June 12, 2015, 5:26 pm

      just, see update

      • just
        June 12, 2015, 5:39 pm

        OK.

        He chose to say it. It’s right up his alley, anyway~and it’s probably why it was taken “by AFP (and others)” at face value. Thanks, Annie.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 12, 2015, 7:24 pm

        we know he agrees with it. zionism is not compatible with justice and freedom for palestinians, obviously.

      • ckg
        June 17, 2015, 10:33 am

        Annie, thanks for the update. So it sounds like the source of the confusion is AFP, and their mistake was understandably repeated by JVP and then MW. AFP should have the editorial staff to avoid this kind of misquote. As’ad AbuKhalil writes: “This is classic: Did Mondoweiss confuse Netanyahu’s statement with mine? “

        Apart from that confusion, I think Netanyahu is mendacious by claiming that As’ad AbuKhalil is a “leader” of BDS. He’s a supporter and advocate, as many of us are, but that doesn’t make him a leader in the same way that, say, Omar Barghouti is. AbuKhalil isn’t even Palestinian, he’s Lebanese-American. His views, which I respect, don’t represent or speak for the movement. One of the most common ways for critics of BDS to oppose it is to point to remarks made by individual BDS supporters and claim that these remarks represent the movement and show a hidden agenda. The BDS position, on the contrary, is well-defined–people only need to read the call.

    • ivri
      June 13, 2015, 4:52 am

      @just
      OK, I volunteer. He misspoke – caught in the web of the common anti-Israel propaganda lingo. What he meant to say is that the use of this slogan, in the usual robotic and mindless way that it is done by the legions of the blindly Israel-obsessed is just a mask for their real goal: the very existence of the state of Israel.
      I am sure you will be honest enough not to admit that this is in fact so.

      • ivri
        June 13, 2015, 9:12 am

        replace admit with deny

      • echinococcus
        June 13, 2015, 11:06 am

        Misspoke? There is no sign of that. Where that unspeakable bastard uses so-called conciliating speech, you know that he misspoke, but here he expresses a thought glaringly obvious to all.
        If you mean instead of “he misspoke”, that he blurted out a thought obvious to all because he has character and self-control problems, perhaps so.
        The Yahoo has always been consistent in every step of his policies: for him the only alternatives are either total genocide of the owners of the land or collective suicide.
        But you know that exceedingly well, so spare us the whining.

      • talknic
        June 13, 2015, 9:07 pm

        @ ivri the mind reader “What he meant to say”

        Sipping from the cesspool of Zionist propaganda endows one with amazing abilities that mere mortals will never enjoy

      • Mooser
        June 14, 2015, 12:42 pm

        “replace admit with deny”

        Yup, another case (and there are many) of the hand being more honest than the mind.

  3. Bornajoo
    June 12, 2015, 4:19 pm

    Thanks Annie. Terrific article. You tell it like it is

    No they will never discuss the actual borders because those borders they really want have the Mediterranean Sea to the west, the Jordan river to the east and a big chunk of southern lebanon in the north including the Syrian Golan Heights

    They are biding their time, trying to ride out this storm and counting the days until Obama is gone. He’s been good to them, very good in fact, but he didn’t sell his soul to them. They want the next one, the one who has sold his/her soul

    And then the attempt at the master plan the Final Solution will commence. Yes I’ve said this many times before but I believe that an attempt will be made to push a huge number of Palestinians living in the West Bank, into Jordan. It will be based on the premise of critical security. Isis and suchlike will supposedly have set up terrorist cells in the West Bank and due to the alleged critical security threat to the state of Israel entire areas of the West Bank will be cleared and declared a military zone. And once they get them out they will never be allowed back in. And how many times have we heard the argument by the hasbarists that the Palestinian state should be Jordan?

    That’s how I believe they attempt to deal with the “demographic time bomb”.

    This is also why I believe they are helping isis, for now. With Syria destabilised and assad eventually overthrown, there will be no more dispute regarding the Golan Heights (which will be annexed) and this will also weaken and make Hezbollah ineffectual. Isis is serving them very well for the time being

    Sound far fetched? Then remember we are not speaking of ‘normal’ human beings. These are evil psychopaths driven by a sick ideology who will stop at nothing to achieve their final goal.

    The key for them is who the next POTUS will be because only the next POTUS can stop them…. Or sit back and let them actually attempt it.

    I personally believe that this attempt of expulsion will be the final straw and the nail in the coffin of this whole sick experiment of the Zionist state. This is why I desperately wanted the delusional psychos to get back into power because only they would actually attempt this and really believe they can get away with it. It’s only at this point we will reach the same point as we did in south Africa. Yes, I personally believe we have to get to this awful point first before we see any real change

    We all know they will never agree to a real 2ss and never to a 1ss so what could their next move possibly be if not something like this?

    • Annie Robbins
      June 12, 2015, 4:32 pm

      no, it doesn’t sound far fetched.

      • MHughes976
        June 13, 2015, 6:07 pm

        I’m sure that some Zionists are very nice people. But the absolutely basic idea of Zionism, that non-Jewish people have no’birthright’ in the land of Israel, implies, even to the nicest and kindliest person who understands and believes it, that they have to be eliminated as a political force, though a small and harmless remnant, the manifest beneficiaries of a generosity to which they were not really entitled, would be fine. The land of Israel cannot be renounced even in part because that would be stepping back from putting right the greatest injustice of history, which should be the moral objective of everyone. It’s a shame that the Palestinians cannot recognise their own duty to leave as soon as practical and a shame that European anti-Semites raise smokescreens and kick up fusses.
        Apart from that small remnant group, what indeed could the objective for Palestinians be except their departure? However, I’m still of the view that departure would, on any terms at all, be very expensive – so that what is needed is not just a President who would tolerate it but one who would pay for it and that is still a bit uncertain. Even the propaganda effort – saying that it was really in everyone’s interests and the most humane available option – would have to be one of the biggest in history.

    • Bornajoo
      June 12, 2015, 5:41 pm

      Hey Steve

      I’m not sure if you’ve noticed but there is a slow motion genocide and a continuous incremental ethnic cleansing happening to the Palestinian people.

      I have no doubt, NONE WHATSOEVER, that given the chance and the right set of circumstances the psycho zionist nutjobs in charge would stop at nothing to expel the Palestinians from the west bank in order to create the Greater Israel which has been the Zionist goal all along

      The adjective “sick” is appropriate to describe those evil people. And yes the comparison is eerily similar, not sick

    • JWalters
      June 12, 2015, 6:40 pm

      Bornajoo, I share your concern. Even Abe Foxman is pleading for the Israelis to at least talk about peace,
      link to mondoweiss.net

      but top Israeli officials are talking about a final invasion of the West Bank.
      link to mondoweiss.net
      link to mondoweiss.net

      The religious extremists are not wealthy, but the war profiteers who finance them are very wealthy. War is extremely lucrative. A link on this that is “highly recommended” by ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern is here.
      link to consortiumnews.com

      A big war blowout around Israel could be part of a war profiteers’ plan. They care no more about the Jewish people than did Bernie Madoff when he swindled the Holocaust memorial fund.

      • Bornajoo
        June 13, 2015, 3:25 am

        Thanks for the links Jwalters

        I read the Ray McGovern article as well as the other one on the link that you provided to Ray McGovern.

  4. Bornajoo
    June 12, 2015, 5:48 pm

    “its Israel’s fault that there is no Palestinian State”

    Right! Correct!

    “just like its Israel’s fault the Chicago Cubs haven’t been in the World Series since 1945 or won the World Series since 1908.”

    Wrong! Incorrect!

    You got it half right

  5. a blah chick
    June 12, 2015, 7:32 pm

    Want to know how to freak out an Israeli diplomat? Hand him or her a pencil and a piece of paper and say “would you please draw us a rough outline of the borders of the country you want the world to recognize as Israel. I’ll wait.”

    Why has no one done this?!

    • MRW
      June 13, 2015, 7:18 am

      Why has no one done this?!

      Lack of guts. Americans are gutless. In America, values are verbal, not ‘for real’. We talk a good game.

      • Citizen
        June 14, 2015, 9:14 am

        I dunno; our legislature critters have packed an anti-BDS amendment into the latest prospective FTA; it will effectively end EU countries’ support of BDS. Main media is mum, of course. US lawmakers approve measure to prevent anti-Israel boycotts – link to israelhayom.com via @IsraelHayomENG

  6. Kay24
    June 13, 2015, 7:21 am

    Rafah Crossing opened for the blockaded people of Gaza. If only this was permanent.

    “Egypt allows two-way travel through Rafah crossing with Gaza for first time in three months
    Border officials said the new opening would last for three days and some Palestinian sources said it could be extended, although there was no immediate Egyptian confirmation.”

    link to haaretz.com

  7. rosross
    June 13, 2015, 10:54 am

    The simple reality is that beyond the UN mandate, Israel has no legal borders which could ever be argued in a court of law.

    • MHughes976
      June 13, 2015, 6:31 pm

      International so-called laws come and go but the Bible is for ever. There is a little doubt about the exact meaning of ‘from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates’ but there’s no removing the text.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 13, 2015, 6:43 pm

        what do you mean by “there is no doubt” about the exact meaning?

        there’s certainly a doubt god exists. there’s certainly a doubt the bible is not based on reality. there’s certainly a doubt the bible is any kind of legal contract.

      • just
        June 13, 2015, 6:51 pm

        Nothing written or interpreted by man is permanent, MHughes.

        All of the books were written by man, and all of them are subject to interpretation and misuse. As long as mankind is involved, everything can be corrupted, and nothing is “for ever”.

      • eljay
        June 13, 2015, 6:51 pm

        || MHughes976: International so-called laws come and go but the Bible is for ever. ||

        To some, yes; to others, no. My forever book is “The Lord of the Rings”. :-)

      • gamal
        June 13, 2015, 10:19 pm

        “There is a little doubt about the exact meaning of ‘from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates”

        Good luck in court with that

        “the Bible is for ever” so there was never a time before the bible? nor a developmental phase?
        not a Mu’tazilite then or even Asharite?

        any Biblical scholar will tell you bibles come and go, codex sinaiticus anyone?

        “but there’s no removing the text.” please see above

      • MHughes976
        June 14, 2015, 7:59 am

        You know me well enough to be aware that I don’t in my own heart believe that the Bible validates Zionism. I was referring to a mindset other mine which is very much in existence. When generation after generation has been told that this book is a kind of supreme moral authority it is less easy than one might think (though I didn’t use words like ‘eternal’) to make its influence inoperative.
        Mind you, I didn’t say that there is no doubt, but on the contrary that there actually is a little doubt, about the meaning of Genesis 15 – what exactly is the River of Egypt? The customary word for the Nile is not used. The ‘supporting’ texts, which attribute to King David a kind of empire over rather the same territory, might be taken to mean that God does not intend all the territory to be Israelite but only that the inhabitants should pay a bit of tribute. But of course if you are fevered with the heady belief that this gift of territory represents God’s most special commitment and most solemn command you probably won’t want to fuss around with restrictive or narrow interpretations. Responsible Bible editing with consultation of manuscript witnesses sometimes helps but I don’t think that there is much prospect of re-editing Genesis 15.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 14, 2015, 9:06 am

        My forever book is “The Lord of the Rings”. :-)

        so eljay, just out of curiosity … in your little photo next to your name are you the guy w/the sunglasses or the other person? ;)

      • Walid
        June 14, 2015, 9:10 am

        MHughes, the bigger problems are created by the interpretations much more than by the editing. Every group adapts whatever is being read to fall in line with what is the aspired meaning of any text. I saw it with how Jerusalem was assumed as a holy Moslem city. It’s not just the Jews that have wild and wooly interpretations, Moslems have a few of their own too.

      • eljay
        June 14, 2015, 9:14 am

        || Annie Robbins: so eljay, just out of curiosity … in your little photo next to your name are you the guy w/the sunglasses or the other person? ;) ||

        I’m neither, but my sympathies lie with the latter, who is the victim of a supremacist goon:
        Israeli police officer imposes a head clamp on a member of Neturei karta movement during a protest against zionism in Israel.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 14, 2015, 9:30 am

        ah — now i get it.

      • eljay
        June 14, 2015, 9:58 am

        || Annie Robbins: ah — now i get it. ||

        Yeah, I find it to be a pretty powerful image, one that captures both the intimate brutality and the raw anti-Semitism of Zionism.

      • Mooser
        June 14, 2015, 12:49 pm

        If you Google, oh, “Tony Greenstein Zionist thugs” I do believe it will get you a link to an article about the incident from which that picture came. With many more pictures, too.

        Oh wait, here it is: link to azvsas.blogspot.com

  8. James Canning
    June 13, 2015, 6:28 pm

    The borders are indeed of key importance. Netanyahu simply does not want an independent Palestine.

  9. jon s
    June 15, 2015, 3:49 pm

    As a supporter of two states, I would say that on the issue of the borders there’s pretty much a consensus: the 1967 lines, with minor, mutually-agreed adjustments. It’s not even the toughest issue that needs to be worked out.

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