NB: Update below in
response to David Gordon
Anonymous January 15, 2016 at 8:44
PM
You should check out Stephan Kinsella's
writings on libertarian legal theory.
bionic mosquito January 15, 2016 at
9:04 PM
…who is to say the
right amount.
Kinsella offers a framework for
discussion. Yet the answer is ultimately not found in the non-aggression
principle.
If I am missing something specific
in his writing, please provide a link and specific quotes.
Anonymous January 17, 2016 at 12:26
PM
read more write
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OK, I have read more; now I will write more. From Kinsella’s “The Libertarian Approach to
Negligence, Tort, and Strict Liability: Wergeld and Partial Wergeld,” the relevant
section is entitled “Restitution and the Right to Punish” (reproduced entirely,
and emphasis added):
First, note that the right to
punish can serve to help make
restitution more objective. As I argued in Knowledge, Calculation,
Conflict, and Law, a review essay of Randy Barnett’s The Structure of Liberty,
“It is … more costly to seek punishment than to seek restitution. For this and
other reasons, restitution would probably
become the predominant mode of
justice in a free society.” However, as I explain there and elaborate in
Inalienability and Punishment and Punishment and Proportionality,
Nevertheless, acknowledging (and
justifying) the theoretical legitimacy of punishment can be useful. For
example, punishment (or a theory of punishment) may be utilized to reach a more objective determination of the
proper amount of restitution, because a serious aggression leads to the right
to inflict more severe punishment on the aggressor, which would thus tend to be
traded for a higher average amount of ransom or restitution than for
comparatively minor crimes. Especially offended victims will tend to bargain for a higher ransom;
and richer aggressors will tend to be
willing to pay more ransom to avoid the punishment the victim has a right
to inflict, thereby solving the so-called “millionaire” problem faced under a
pure restitution system (where a rich man may commit crimes with impunity,
since he can simply pay easily-affordable restitution after committing the
crime).
Moreover, even if punishment is banned (de facto or de jure) and is not an
actual option–because of the possibility of mistakenly punishing innocents,
say–an award of restitution can be based
on the model of punishment. To-wit: a jury could be instructed to award the
victim an amount of money it believes
he could bargain for, given all the circumstances, if he could threaten to
proportionately punish the aggressor. This can
lead to more just and objective restitution awards than would result if the
jury is simply told to award the amount of damages it “feels” is “fair.”
This latter point is significant
because, as noted above, restitution based on the idea of restoring the victim
is often impossible, and thus meaningless; for this reason, those advocating
restitution usually are vague about the proper standard (since there is no proper standard), or just “punt” it to the
juries or courts, much like Congress does when it uses vague terms in statutes
or Constitutions such as “accommodate” in the Americans with Disabilities Act
or “privileges or immunities” in the Fourteenth Amendment.
Read again the words in bold type: can serve to help make
restitution more objective, probably, predominant, may be utilized, tend to
bargain, tend to be willing, even if punishment is banned, can be based,
believes, can lead, since there is no
proper standard.
I bolded the last one only to emphasize that Kinsella is
saying what I said (“Kinsella offers a
framework for discussion.”) – and yet I am admonished to read more and
write less.
I could end this now.
There is no proper standard; punishment could be banned…or not;
determining restitution could be made more objective – but not completely
objective. Ask Kinsella.
But I march on, now to the second recommended reading,
“Punishment and Proportionality: the Estoppel Approach:”
Just because aggressors can
legitimately be punished does not necessarily mean that all concerns about proportionality may be dropped.
We now further consider the various
types of punishment that can be justly administered.
As has been shown, a victim of
aggression may inflict on the aggressor at least the same level or type of
aggression, although proportionality
imposes some limits on the permissible level of retaliation.
In short, any rights or
combinations of rights of an aggressor may be ignored by a victim in punishing
the aggressor (implying that the aggressor actually does not have these
purported “rights”), as long as general
bounds of proportionality are considered.
Who is to decide what is proportional? Solely the victim? How will the decision regarding level of
punishment be reached? Proportionality
imposes some limits. What limits, how much? Bounds of proportionality must be
considered. To what extent? By whom?
You steal an apple from me; I get one back from you. Is this proportional? Is it punishment? What risk is there to the thief if this is all
there is? Should the punishment be two
apples? Cutting off the hand? Who will decide? Solely the victim? What if the community doesn’t agree? What happens to any chance of a libertarian
society if others in the community find the punishment abusive?
My point is this, and it remains unanswered by Kinsella
because it cannot be answered: the concept of punishment and proportionality is
subjective; the actual punishment delivered is very objective. There is no method grounded within the
non-aggression principle that leads one to conclude that the punishment for violation
X is always and everywhere Y.
There is no way to use the NAP to derive what will be
acceptable in a given community. There
is nothing in the NAP that will ensure that what is acceptable in one community
will be acceptable in all communities. What
is deemed proportional will vary from one community to another. What is proportional? While libertarian theory is helpful to set
some bounds, this question cannot be answered in objective form by libertarian
theory – as Kinsella demonstrates.
I remain: Kinsella
offers a framework for discussion.
He explains very well the things that should be considered and accounted
for. He frames this well via libertarian
theory.
In the end, unless the punishment is considered proportional
within the local culture, escalating
violence will ensue – regardless of which direction the disproportionality
occurs.
There is no proper standard to be derived from libertarian
theory. This is my point. Also any punishment dished out must be deemed
just by the broader community. Else you
will live in hell. And no sweet-sounding
ideas from libertarian theorists who advocate otherwise will change this.
I don’t need to read more libertarian theory to conclude
this. I know very well the fertile soil
upon which blood feuds thrive.
Update: David
Gordon noted this post at LRC.
I thank
him for doing so, and would like to address a couple of his comments.
Before I address these, I offer: I have not
thought significantly about punishment within the framework of libertarian
legal theory.
I entered this discussion
because I believe Wenzel is wrong about his theory, for the reasons I have
written about in this post and especially my
earlier
post on the topic.
With this in mind, from Gordon:
In [bionic’s] view, “the concept of
punishment and proportionality is subjective; the actual punishment delivered
is very objective. There is no method grounded within the non-aggression
principle that leads one to conclude that the punishment for violation X is always
and everywhere Y.” I would note, and I am not sure the Mosquito would agree,
that two distinct claims are being made in the quoted passage: no standard of
punishment can be derived from the NAP, and there is no objective standard for
punishment. The first claim does not imply the second, though both may be true.
I have not thought about it in such distinct terms, but on
initial reaction I can accept that it is two claims. Until I find some convincing reason to
conclude otherwise, I hold that both claims are true.
The Mosquito reports that a
commenter referred him to the work of Stephan Kinsella to solve his problems about
punishment. The Mosquito does not find in Kinsella’s articles reason to change
his opinion.
As mentioned, I find Kinsella helpful in framing the
discussion – there are some things to consider that can be helpful in arriving
at acceptable and unacceptable forms of punishment / restitution / whatever.
One suggestion by Kinsella
surprised me, but I do not wish to attribute my objection to the Mosquito.
I did not consider Kinsella’s comments beyond my one
purpose: I asked for links to articles that offer a means to arrive at an
objective standard for punishment within a libertarian framework. I was offered two by Kinsella. I looked for objective standards. There were none – instead words like can, probably
and tend to. These are guidelines to assist in reaching an
acceptable punishment but there is nothing objective in these terms.
Of course, that these articles by Kinsella were not on point
is no fault of his; rather it demonstrates the shortcoming of commenters who
write (in a rather snarky manner, I might add) about things they don’t understand.