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Really, Mr Abbott? $185k not 'especially high'?

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It can be hazardous for politicians to offer opinions about incomes. But Tony Abbott boldly went there on Sunday when he said a family income of $185,000 "isn't especially high" in a city like Sydney.

"Certainly it's not going to give you a particularly lavish life by any means," he said while defending a key income threshold in the government's new childcare policy.

Those earning $185,000 a year are in the top 6 per cent of all family incomes.

Those earning $185,000 a year are in the top 6 per cent of all family incomes. Photo: Dominic Lorrimer

So where exactly does a family earning $185,000 a year sit on Australia's income distribution? The short answer: very high.

The National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling says those with an income of $185,000 were in the top 6 per cent of all family incomes, including singles, this financial year – that's on the 'adjusted family income' measure used for childcare and family payments income testing.

But because Mr Abbott was discussing childcare subsidies we can assume he was talking about families with children, who tend to have higher incomes than others. But even when you narrow it down to couples with children those with an income of $185,000 are still in the top 20 per cent of earners according to Natsem. In other words 80 per cent of families with children make do with less.

The average full-time worker in NSW earns $77,599 (ordinary time) according to the latest figures. Two full-time workers on that income would still be about $30,000 a year short of the amount Mr Abbott said was not "especially high" for a Sydney family. A full-time couple on the national minimum wage ($33,326) would earn just 36 per cent of it. On Sunday Fairfax reported that the average taxable income in Auburn was $36,186 in 2012-13 – it would take more than five workers on those earnings to reach that threshold.

The executive director of the Australia Institute, economist Richard Denniss, said the Prime Minister's comments were "proof that Mr Abbott, like many high income earners is out of touch" with average earnings in Australia. A recent survey by the Institute found that 51 per cent of people who earned between $100,000 and $150,000 a year thought that the average Australian earns between $100,000 and $150,000. One third of those who earned over $150,000 thought the average Australian earns over $150,000.

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344 comments

  • So two parents earning 19% more than average weekly earnings are considered super rich. Rightyo.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    May 11, 2015, 7:53AM
    • I didn't hear anybody mention super-rich, just very high.

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Out east
      Date and time
      May 11, 2015, 8:13AM
    • A family earning 185k are paying a whopping amount of tax, it's not immoral for them to get something back for that.

      Commenter
      sarajane
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      May 11, 2015, 8:14AM
    • What level of richness would you use to categorize the top 6% of earners?

      Commenter
      Franky
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 11, 2015, 8:16AM
    • It depends on where in Australia you live. $185,000 might go a long way in a country town but it certainly doesn't go far if you are having to pay for housing , commuting & road tolls in Sydney. It also isn't a high amount if one member of the family has a chronic medical disorder or disability that has to be funded out of that amount.

      Commenter
      Deb
      Date and time
      May 11, 2015, 8:17AM
    • Read the article again Hacka - "The average full-time worker in NSW earns $77,599" versus "the national minimum wage ($33,326)". I would assume that the average in NSW is due to higher wages in Sydney, which is then offset against higher housing and living costs, and noting that "average" is decided by adding top and bottom and dividing etc, there would be a lot of people not earning $77,599 - me included.
      So yes, $185,000 is a good family income across the country.

      Commenter
      JM
      Date and time
      May 11, 2015, 8:21AM
    • Another Tory figure fudge. The "average" wage is not indicative of the true earnings of "Most" Australians and factor in Gina Rinehart's $Billions each year. But you already knew that. Abbott's logic is ridiculous just like your own. If people can't make do with $185,000 in Sydney then I suggest they move .

      Commenter
      Neal
      Location
      Cairns
      Date and time
      May 11, 2015, 8:22AM
    • More truthiness, Hacka. It just doesn't feel right, so it must be wrong. I am sure the folk over at the ABS really don't know what they are doing and must have some kind of political agenda.

      Commenter
      MiG
      Date and time
      May 11, 2015, 8:26AM
    • No one said "super rich", they're just rich.

      And having two income earners getting 19% more than the single average person puts you into the top quintile of households.

      What else would you call them?

      Commenter
      Freddie Frog
      Date and time
      May 11, 2015, 8:28AM
    • And your man is a Rhodes scholar Hacka?

      Commenter
      EXO
      Location
      Port Macquarie.
      Date and time
      May 11, 2015, 8:28AM

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