User talk:Fæ
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Fæ is away on vacation from 30 August until 8 September 2015 and may not respond swiftly to queries. |  |
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While on holiday, a few Faebot tasks will be off-line. Faebot has been doing some more intelligent stuff lately, so this is a precaution against an escalating Skynet event. |
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Help open knowledge by reusing or categorizing images from one of my many upload projects!
For requests relating to Chapter projects, or if you are connected to the UK Chapter, please email me rather than writing on-wiki or on this page. I am an independent unpaid volunteer and a founder of Wikimedia LGBT+, with no affiliation or current membership of any other organization. Flickr users: In addition to my projects of content creation for Commons, I have been experimenting with how to share collections off-wiki. http://www.flickr.com/groups/wikimedia-commons is a Flickr group created for selected GLAM categories, each image linking back to its Wikimedia Commons source. |
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Contents
- 1 FP Promotion
- 2 FP Promotion
- 3 FP Promotion
- 4 A barnstar for you!
- 5 File:USS Winston S. Churchill 120516-N-YF306-395.jpg and others
- 6 File:Catalogue of Canadian birds (microform) - part II, birds of prey, woodpeckers, fly-catchers, crows, jays and blackbirds, including the following orders - raptores, coccyges, pici, macrochires, and (20615573256).jpg
- 7 File:Catalogue of Canadian birds (microform) - part II, birds of prey, woodpeckers, fly-catchers, crows, jays and blackbirds, including the following orders - raptores, coccyges, pici, macrochires, and (20632700792).jpg
- 8 File:Our birds of prey, or, The eagles, hawks, and owls of Canada (microform) (1876) (20627281171).jpg
- 9 File:Our birds of prey, or, The eagles, hawks, and owls of Canada (microform) (1876) (20627302821).jpg
- 10 FP Promotion
- 11 File tagging File:Cranberries; - the national cranberry magazine (1980) (20520466248).jpg
- 12 File:Cranberries; - the national cranberry magazine (1982) (20520589258).jpg
- 13 File tagging File:Cranberries; - the national cranberry magazine (1982) (20520441628).jpg
- 14 File tagging File:Cranberries; - the national cranberry magazine (1982) (20520670660).jpg
- 15 File tagging File:Cranberries; - the national cranberry magazine (1982) (20682164516).jpg
- 16 File tagging File:Cranberries; - the national cranberry magazine (1982) (20520523788).jpg
- 17 File tagging File:The cranberry industry - its possibilities in Canada. (1923) (20698963642).jpg
- 18 Copyright status: File:The cranberry industry - its possibilities in Canada. (1923) (20708277155).jpg
- 19 Category:Uploaded by user Fæ
- 20 File:Description of a view of the city of St. Sebastian, and the Bay of Rio Janeiro - now exhibiting in the Panorama, Leicester-Square; painted by the proprietor, Robert Burford, from drawings taken in the (14781438561).jpg
- 21 Henry Correvon - Album des orchidées de l'Europe centrale et septentrionale
- 22 Books from the Internet Archive
- 23 File:Metamucil ad.jpg
- 24 File:Da lian di qu zhi wu zhi (1982) (20838338211).jpg
- 25 File:Seed annual (16263783668).jpg
- 26 Deletion requests for arrows
- 27 File:Histoire naturelle de Buffon (microforme) - classée par ordres, genres et espèces, d'après le système de Linné avec les caractères géné riques et la nomenclature Linnéenne (1802) (20449577368).jpg
- 28 Note on measuring recentness of uploads for the Internet Archive book plates project (IA books)
- 29 File:Australian dollar coin.jpg
- 30 Uncategorized GLAM report categories
- 31 Category:James Bateman - A Second Century of Orchidaceous Plants (1867)
- 32 OOPS
- 33 Category:Narwhal (Steam bark) of San Francisco, Calif., mastered by Horace P. Smith (1892)
- 34 Commons Privacy Rules
FP Promotion[edit]
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The image File:Refleksjoner.jpg, that you nominated on Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Refleksjoner.jpg has been promoted. Thank you for your contribution. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so. |
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FP Promotion[edit]
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The image File:Air National Guard wraps up training at Global Dragon 150319-Z-SV144-004.jpg, that you nominated on Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Air National Guard wraps up training at Global Dragon 150319-Z-SV144-004.jpg has been promoted. Thank you for your contribution. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so. |
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/FPCBot (talk) 21:01, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
FP Promotion[edit]
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The image File:Warrior Games athletes honored at Navy-Air Force football game 141004-D-DB155-022.jpg, that you nominated on Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Warrior Games athletes honored at Navy-Air Force football game 141004-D-DB155-022.jpg has been promoted. Thank you for your contribution. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so. |
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/FPCBot (talk) 21:04, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
A barnstar for you![edit]
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The Technical Barnstar |
| For helping me move my work to Flickr and your huge quantity and quality of contribution that escape beyond any user. Additionally, your ability to see what is potentially encyclopedic. Your determination in the comments and wisdom, commons would be a better place if we could have some of all those faculties that make you an excellent user, an excellent person. This humble acknowledgment is on behalf of those who are awake and are able to see what you do, selflessly and sincerely. The Photographer (talk) 14:18, 5 August 2015 (UTC) |
File:USS Winston S. Churchill 120516-N-YF306-395.jpg and others[edit]
Hello, I recognized that you upload loads of photos from (among others) UK or US government websites. I assume that you do that via a bot or something. I see three problems: 1. File names. In the above mentioned photos you can be lucky that there is only one USS Churchill, however, the ship is not the one depicted in the photo (as US Navy PR-texts are often ... difficult in their content). As with the RN photos, the names do not give any clue about the content. 2. Categories: you put, for example, many of the above uploaded photos in the category "USS Nimitz (CVN-68)". The ship categories are totally overcrowded since bot-uploads filled them with hundreds or thousands of photos. But, if a sailor of USS Nimitz sits at a table on land, I see no reason to put it in the USS Nimitz category. 3. Common sense: bot uploads upload zillions of photos that are, in my opinion, meaningless. Of course, when is a photo important? But especially the US Navy posts thousands of photos that, after having being uploaded, create a lot of problems because of wrong categories, doubles, and the general difficulty to find or create an appropiate category at all (like Category:Sailors of USS Nimitz (CVN-68) sitting at tables in Naval Station Everett in August 2015...) :-). Cheers Cobatfor (talk) 12:49, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hi @Cobatfor: I have noticed you working on a lot of categorization and improvements to military related images, it's much appreciated. For any batch upload of 100,000+ images we are going to be highly reliant on the validity of source metadata. None of the sources I have worked with are perfect and even when, say, location is 98% accurate this still leaves us with thousands of images to correct by volunteer review.
- My batch uploads from the DoD are now highly accurate, much better than leaving the large collection dumped in a bucket category, though have understandable problems by being reliant on the textual description. A good example is attempting to match "Barack Obama" in descriptive texts as invariably the majority of matches turn out to be events hosted by Obama or ceremonies sponsored by Obama but where he is not actually in the photograph. Similarly though USS <ship name> is a good search to use, there may be odd photographs of internal ship life, parts of the ship, or even events where someone is about to go to the ship or has left it, but the ship is not in the photo.
- My response has been to refine intelligent sensible matches and avoid doubtful searches in the first place. For this reason I avoid searching for "Obama".
- Some examples of intelligence built into category matches:
- Saa?do?un (Farhan )?[Aa]l.?[Dd]ula.?m[yi];Saadoun al-Dulaimi coping with odd spelling variations for a transliterated name of an Iraqi politician
- Adm.*Sinclair Harris;Sinclair Harris matching Admiral Harris but avoiding other "Sinclair Harris's"
- !3rd Infantry Regiment;Barack Obama a negative match, so the category Barack Obama is never used when the 3rd Infantry Regiment category applies
- !!Warrior Games a bad parent, meaning that the category of Warrior Games is only used if there are no other categories matches
- !!!Muppets a sanity clause, if Muppets are mentioned, then don't bother uploading
- If you can think of good ways of avoiding bad category matches for certain scenarios I would be happy to ponder better ways of doing the matches.
- I don't really accept the idea that DoD photos are meaningless, even when we have zillions. For example a photo of a sailor socializing on particular ship in 1944 is desirable, similarly a sailor doing the same thing on a ship yesterday is still desirable as we want to have photographs showing changes in uniforms, changes to ship layout, plenty of alternative shots for any particular ship, plenty of good shots of sailors wearing glasses and a number 2 crop, or whatever other minor criteria on features potential reusers are looking for.
- The reality is that we never know which of these might randomly hit the headlines in the future. I uploaded 100,000—mostly dull and moderate quality—photographs of aircraft taken by amateurs, and in the 2 years these have been around several have sadly been in the press headlines for dramatic crashes or other emergency events, making the handful of freely available photographs of that airframe instantly of extremely high educational value for re-users such as journalists and those working on encyclopaedia entries. Though only 4% or so might ever be used on Wikipedia, as a resource the 100,000 has its own more general benefit to preserving human knowledge and well worth the cost of hosting a few gigabytes of files and the eternal issue for Commons about how best either to automate or prioritize an ever increasing categorization backlog. --Fæ (talk) 13:55, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- Well, of course, it is not easy - if impossible - to determine what will be "historically relevant" in the future. Some users tend to open categories that are, in my opinion, not useful (like "Dakota (SAAF)"). Also, a serial number category for a military aircraft of which there is only one file is something I think is too much. On the other hand, someone now deletes the hull numbers for US Navy ships at en:wikipedia articles if only one ship of this name existed (up to today). This, I think, is (sorry) idiotic, because all USN ships are always identified by their hull numbers. However, we just go on and try, and try ... Cheers Cobatfor (talk) 21:03, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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- @Cobatfor: A minor improvement in finding images you may be interested in, I have added searching for the DVIDS "star rating" which should be a way of discriminating large batches by perceived quality. This was an improvement I tried to implement about a year ago, but it's oddly embedded in JavaScript so is fiddly, as well as being "soft" information not actually tied to the photograph. Note that most images on DVIDS probably have no user rating, and very few have the maximum 5 stars. Click on any image in the gallery as an early example of what this looks like on the revised template. I'm running an initial test, searching for "tank", filtering by 4 or 5 stars only, which seems to filter out 95%+ of the photographs returned. --Fæ (talk) 14:15, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
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- Interesting. I more got the problem that there are often only low-quality photos available for the things I am looking for. Concering the USGov photo descriptions, they are, of course PR-descriptions. The National Museum of Naval Aviation on the other hand has a nice photo collection, but no staff. The website is 15 years old and photos "vanish" out of unknown reasons. They have (often untrained) volunteers cataloguing the photos and I even found descriptions I made on Commons back there... Really horrible are the descriptions of the San Diego Air and Space Museum, as mostly non-existent... So there is still a lot to do :-) Cheers Cobatfor (talk) 09:21, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
File:Catalogue of Canadian birds (microform) - part II, birds of prey, woodpeckers, fly-catchers, crows, jays and blackbirds, including the following orders - raptores, coccyges, pici, macrochires, and (20615573256).jpg[edit]
Commons:Deletion requests/File:Catalogue of Canadian birds (microform) - part II, birds of prey, woodpeckers, fly-catchers, crows, jays and blackbirds, including the following orders - raptores, coccyges, pici, macrochires, and (20615573256).jpg MPF (talk) 07:42, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
File:Catalogue of Canadian birds (microform) - part II, birds of prey, woodpeckers, fly-catchers, crows, jays and blackbirds, including the following orders - raptores, coccyges, pici, macrochires, and (20632700792).jpg[edit]
Commons:Deletion requests/File:Catalogue of Canadian birds (microform) - part II, birds of prey, woodpeckers, fly-catchers, crows, jays and blackbirds, including the following orders - raptores, coccyges, pici, macrochires, and (20632700792).jpg MPF (talk) 07:43, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
File:Our birds of prey, or, The eagles, hawks, and owls of Canada (microform) (1876) (20627281171).jpg[edit]
Commons:Deletion requests/File:Our birds of prey, or, The eagles, hawks, and owls of Canada (microform) (1876) (20627281171).jpg MPF (talk) 07:46, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
File:Our birds of prey, or, The eagles, hawks, and owls of Canada (microform) (1876) (20627302821).jpg[edit]
Commons:Deletion requests/File:Our birds of prey, or, The eagles, hawks, and owls of Canada (microform) (1876) (20627302821).jpg MPF (talk) 07:46, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
FP Promotion[edit]
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The image File:An RAF Chinook helicopter in silhouette, flying over Afghanistan. MOD 45158742.jpg, that you nominated on Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:An RAF Chinook helicopter in silhouette, flying over Afghanistan. MOD 45158742.jpg has been promoted. Thank you for your contribution. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so. |
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/FPCBot (talk) 21:02, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
File tagging File:Cranberries; - the national cranberry magazine (1980) (20520466248).jpg[edit]
LutzBruno (talk) 14:18, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
File:Cranberries; - the national cranberry magazine (1982) (20520589258).jpg[edit]
LutzBruno (talk) 14:20, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
→ Commons:Deletion requests/File:Cranberries; - the national cranberry magazine (1982) (20520589258).jpg, unfortunately some work required to sort these out. --Fæ (talk) 16:25, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
File tagging File:Cranberries; - the national cranberry magazine (1982) (20520441628).jpg[edit]
LutzBruno (talk) 14:20, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
File tagging File:Cranberries; - the national cranberry magazine (1982) (20520670660).jpg[edit]
LutzBruno (talk) 14:21, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
File tagging File:Cranberries; - the national cranberry magazine (1982) (20682164516).jpg[edit]
LutzBruno (talk) 14:21, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
File tagging File:Cranberries; - the national cranberry magazine (1982) (20520523788).jpg[edit]
LutzBruno (talk) 14:22, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
File tagging File:The cranberry industry - its possibilities in Canada. (1923) (20698963642).jpg[edit]
LutzBruno (talk) 14:23, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Copyright status: File:The cranberry industry - its possibilities in Canada. (1923) (20708277155).jpg[edit]
LutzBruno (talk) 14:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Done {{PD-Canada}} can be added to these (a government department was the publisher). --Fæ (talk) 16:22, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Category:Uploaded by user Fæ[edit]
Hi, a bot created this category so I thought I'd let you know that I redirected it to Category:Images uploaded by Fæ as I thought that was the best thing to do, and thought you should know as it's your category tree that is affected by this. AnemoneProjectors (talk) (Flickr) 09:56, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- This moves images to be in a parent of a category they are already in, I have removed the redirect. There was no consensus for YacBot to do this and it disrupts the project. What a waste of my volunteer time to tidy up after another bot writer. Unimpressive. --Fæ (talk) 10:06, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I agree, and am sorry I didn't check with you first after I saw the category but before I redirected it. Some of the photos were moved, I'll see if I can track them down for you and revert them, as I feel responsible now. AnemoneProjectors (talk) (Flickr) 10:23, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'm so sorry, a lot of photos were moved and I think I've messed up, but I want to fix this even if it takes a long time. Did you have any photos in Category:Images uploaded by Fæ, or were they all already in subcategories? AnemoneProjectors (talk) (Flickr) 10:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I agree, and am sorry I didn't check with you first after I saw the category but before I redirected it. Some of the photos were moved, I'll see if I can track them down for you and revert them, as I feel responsible now. AnemoneProjectors (talk) (Flickr) 10:23, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
@McZusatz: @AnemoneProjectors:
I have made an objection at User_talk:McZusatz#YaCBot_user_categorization. The issue will be escalated if the bot is not halted shortly. --Fæ (talk) 10:58, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Are you sure? If I hadn't redirected the category, you would not have images in the parent category. I've already reverted some of the moves so what was in "Images uploaded by Fæ" has gone back to the "Uploaded by user Fæ", that I know you don't want, but at least if they're all there, the category you do want is back as you had it. There may have only been fewer than 200 images affected. AnemoneProjectors (talk) (Flickr) 11:02, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I have not looked at it yet, I have real life stuff to get on with. If you have analysed it and think this is better then please go ahead. Obviously the duplicate category will have to be removed and it seems silly to keep on touching these files with additional changes. --Fæ (talk) 11:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I will restore things to how they were before I got involved but after the bot. Then it's just the bot and the bot's category that needs to be dealt with. I apologise. Please carry on with your real life stuff! AnemoneProjectors (talk) (Flickr) 11:12, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I have not looked at it yet, I have real life stuff to get on with. If you have analysed it and think this is better then please go ahead. Obviously the duplicate category will have to be removed and it seems silly to keep on touching these files with additional changes. --Fæ (talk) 11:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
File:Description of a view of the city of St. Sebastian, and the Bay of Rio Janeiro - now exhibiting in the Panorama, Leicester-Square; painted by the proprietor, Robert Burford, from drawings taken in the (14781438561).jpg[edit]
Commons:Deletion requests/File:Description of a view of the city of St. Sebastian, and the Bay of Rio Janeiro - now exhibiting in the Panorama, Leicester-Square; painted by the proprietor, Robert Burford, from drawings taken in the (14781438561).jpg Takeaway (talk) 13:38, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Henry Correvon - Album des orchidées de l'Europe centrale et septentrionale[edit]
Hi Fæ, thanks for your uploads of this book: Category:Henry Correvon - Album des orchidées de l'Europe centrale et septentrionale. I created the category and this page Henry Correvon - Album des orchidées de l'Europe centrale et septentrionale. Some pictures were missing and I found this Album - page in Flickr: [1]. All images of the book are available and I think in better quality (not cropped). Here you can test the commons-quality: Category:Orchis anthropophora - botanical illustrations Now my question, if you think also, the quality is better. Can you overwrite the first serie using your perfect script? Best greetings. Orchi (talk) 19:56, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I have added Internet Archive (uncrop needed) which triggers Faebot to overwrite each image with its full page uncropped version hosted on the Internet Archive. Note that the scans hosted by IA were actually created by the Biodiversity Library (you can check on the IA catalogue page), so these should be identical to the library's own Flickrstream.
- Late now, I'll return to the missing plates in a day or so. --Fæ (talk) 21:59, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Orchi: Thanks for highlighting the BioDivLibrary stream, lovely stuff. However the titles used for the 100,000 images are terrible, so I have avoided starting a direct upload right now. I will investigate the BHL API and hopefully this will lead to a large batch upload with much better metadata on the image pages fairly soon (this could mean several weeks), including all the orchid images you would like to see. --Fæ (talk) 18:07, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
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- ....you're so fast, that I have problems to follow with my handmake work here. ;-)
- Can I ask you to upload these missing eleven plates of this book?:
- ....you're so fast, that I have problems to follow with my handmake work here. ;-)
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/biodivlibrary/6011911541/in/album-72157627239460389/
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/biodivlibrary/6012458998/in/album-72157627239460389/
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/biodivlibrary/6012451236/in/album-72157627239460389/
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/biodivlibrary/6011903281/in/album-72157627239460389/
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/biodivlibrary/6012450466/in/album-72157627239460389/
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/biodivlibrary/6011901937/in/album-72157627239460389/
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/biodivlibrary/6012449354/in/album-72157627239460389/
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/biodivlibrary/6012448880/in/album-72157627239460389/
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/biodivlibrary/6012446650/in/album-72157627239460389/
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/biodivlibrary/6011893479/in/album-72157627239460389/
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/biodivlibrary/6012439916/in/album-72157627239460389/
- Done Plus new {{BHL}} template is being worked on to fit the metadata available from the BHL API. As these are uploaded before I generalized a way of doing a larger batch, I have not added any auto-categorization, so please add some categories!
- Other talk page watchers, I'll update at COM:BHL if I start a very large batch upload, which looks likely now I've worked through the API.
- Update the large batch upload now started, going through the entire Flickrstream but excluding images with the maximum side less than 1200 pixels or already uploaded to Commons. See this search for progress. --Fæ (talk) 04:15, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Books from the Internet Archive[edit]
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Hi ;-)
I'm wondering if it would be better to upload the groups of files to a defaults categories compatibile with their names... For example: files with names "Studies in natural history (1888)" go to a category "Studies in natural history (1888)". I know, that at the beginning such a category does not exist, but it's easier to click on a red category and create it -- than moving files from a few different categories to one category - and marking the upper category only...
It's your choice, of course ;-) Wieralee (talk) 11:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- This is being tested with the BHL uploads (which uses very similar processes), just swapped to doing this shortly before you wrote here. See File:A natural history of British birds (18962152323).jpg as an example. Note the work-around is already in the previous uploads, you only need to click on the "find matches" link next to the Identifier. You can use cat-a-lot on the resulting search page. There is no such work-around for the BHL uploads...
- Quite a few Commonsists have objected to automated creation of red-link categories in the past, however if I don't get any complaints from the test, I'll use this on the IA uploads in a couple of days.
- BTW, Flickr fails to serve me search results on the IA flickrstream when the numbers approach 2,500,000—504 errors—so though I am uploading new files, there are another 1,500,000 older files on that stream which are an undiscovered country. I'm pondering solutions, I'll get there eventually. --Fæ (talk) 11:47, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Great! I think there will be no oppose, when the red categories will be created within several hours. Wieralee (talk) 12:04, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Wieralee: If you would like to get a "big bang for the buck" for your use of cat-a-lot, you may want to keep an eye on Commons:Biodiversity_Heritage_Library/Reports/popular_categories as the larger red-link book categories are appearing there. The report is updated about twice a day. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 12:43, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Fæ: it's a good system, but I don't like when you use too many categories for single files... IMO the files should have two categories only: home category (which does not exist) and "todo category" (one for all). When sb is creating a home category, can give it many categories -- and remove this files from the "todo category". The home category should have many categories, as "Botany", "Catalogs", "Ornithology", "Gardening"... but not each single file... The categories are being spoiled... when the category hasn't got subcategories and has a few thousand files -- is ruined... you can find nothing inside it. I don't mention such cases, like this, when the upload went wrong :( I had hoped I can repair this categories, but each day they contain more and more files... Think about it, please... Wieralee (talk) 23:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
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- There is a fix. I have added {{categorize}} to: Botany, Catalogs, Ornithology, Gardening and Periodicals. It's good practice to mark categories which are high in a hierarchy this way and both the IA and BHL uploads are careful to detect use of this template as well as {{diffuse}}—by checking against
r"\{\{([Cc]ategori.e|[Cc]atdiffuse|[Dd]iffuse)\}\}". Please mark any other categories which are being inappropriately flooded and once you clean them out, they should stay cleaned out though my upload script will need to restart as it intelligently remembers which were good or bad categories to avoid constantly having to read category pages. - I can fix this another way, for example in some batch uploads I have a fixed list of desired or forbidden categories, however this is probably the simplest and most collegiate way of achieving the same outcome.
- The "home" category is Category:Files from the Biodiversity Heritage Library, which means this can be intersected with other categories to handle more complex flooding problems or automated re-categorization, for example with VFC.
- By the way, the number of possible categories for any uploaded image in these two batch upload projects is strictly limited. Only the first 5 Flickr tags are examined, and of those only the ones with existing Commons categories result in categories being applied. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 04:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
- There is a fix. I have added {{categorize}} to: Botany, Catalogs, Ornithology, Gardening and Periodicals. It's good practice to mark categories which are high in a hierarchy this way and both the IA and BHL uploads are careful to detect use of this template as well as {{diffuse}}—by checking against
File:Metamucil ad.jpg[edit]
Commons:Deletion requests/File:Metamucil ad.jpg Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 01:29, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Fæ! Speedy tagged by Trivialist, I converted to DR. Could you have a peek? Thanks! --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 02:06, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
File:Da lian di qu zhi wu zhi (1982) (20838338211).jpg[edit]
Commons:Deletion requests/File:Da lian di qu zhi wu zhi (1982) (20838338211).jpg Steven P. (talk) 10:21, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
File:Seed annual (16263783668).jpg[edit]
This file and the rest of the set - and all the related files at the source not uploaded have mangled dates. The dates are shown on the cover page (and for some of them on most every page inside) but the source has them listed incorrectly. Seed annual (16263783668) says 1900, not 1921 as the file (and source) say. The one marked 1920 in the source [2] says "Autumn 1902" on the cover. That 1920 details page seems to include 11 separate seed catalogs published between 1902 and 1930. Rmhermen (talk) 23:30, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- The BHL data seems reliable, so this is an unfortunate glitch. There don't seem that many images right now in 1900 D.M. Ferry seed catalog (i.e. tens rather than hundreds), so a bot based fix is probably not any easier than doing these 'by hand'. At the BHL source, there is a small triangle icon to the top right of the image to report errors. It would be useful to pass back metadata mistakes like to BHL as this is one of the spin-off benefits of encouraging releases to Commons. If you get interesting replies, or see they fix the data promptly, this would be good to note at COM:BHL. --Fæ (talk) 05:07, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Deletion requests for arrows[edit]
- Notification about possible deletion
Bundle DR:
Commons:Deletion requests/Arrows from bot upload
Achim Raschka (talk) 08:15, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello Fæ,
I added deletion requests to the listed arrow pics from your bot upload listed in the Category:Zoology since they are of no value. Additionally I think that of the many duplicates of File:Animate creation - popular edition of "Our living world" - a natural history (1898) (17576550474).jpg in that category (I counted 51) we only need one. -- Achim Raschka (talk) 08:15, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Commented. For clear duplicates with no possible value to add please use {{duplicate}} though normally some near identical lithographs may have use due to normal variations in print quality. --Fæ (talk) 08:54, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
File:Histoire naturelle de Buffon (microforme) - classée par ordres, genres et espèces, d'après le système de Linné avec les caractères géné riques et la nomenclature Linnéenne (1802) (20449577368).jpg[edit]
Commons:Deletion requests/File:Histoire naturelle de Buffon (microforme) - classée par ordres, genres et espèces, d'après le système de Linné avec les caractères géné riques et la nomenclature Linnéenne (1802) (20449577368).jpg MPF (talk) 10:10, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Note on measuring recentness of uploads for the Internet Archive book plates project (IA books)[edit]
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The following list is the number of images uploaded to Commons as part of IA books, but ordered by the date they were newly created and uploaded to Flickr by IA. Keep in mind that only the minority of images greater than 2,800 pixels on the longest side are considered for Commons upload (possibly 4% of the collection). This shows how recent these image crops/releases by IA are, and the fact that the quantities seem highly variable. When the count is more than 10,000 in a day, the search function is truncated. You can do the equivalent of this search on any particular day by adjusting the date of this Commons search.
D/B lags for the API search function, or something more obscure, may make the numbers here wildly unreliable, for example the 24 Jul should read as 2,145 rather than 174, based on the live web-based search. So it's a good job I'm just an unpaid volunteer not relying on these numbers to justify anything. 
--Fæ (talk) 17:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
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Date, Images uploaded 01 Jul 2015 2249 02 Jul 2015 2155 03 Jul 2015 1359 04 Jul 2015 1084 05 Jul 2015 1107 06 Jul 2015 927 07 Jul 2015 >10000 08 Jul 2015 1316 09 Jul 2015 567 10 Jul 2015 >10000 11 Jul 2015 >10000 12 Jul 2015 >10000 13 Jul 2015 8263 14 Jul 2015 8787 15 Jul 2015 8709 16 Jul 2015 9480 17 Jul 2015 7476 18 Jul 2015 >10000 19 Jul 2015 7029 20 Jul 2015 10399 21 Jul 2015 2404 22 Jul 2015 2406 23 Jul 2015 2922 24 Jul 2015 4129 25 Jul 2015 5320 26 Jul 2015 1913 27 Jul 2015 1315 28 Jul 2015 1334 29 Jul 2015 1100 30 Jul 2015 2648 31 Jul 2015 1158 01 Aug 2015 255 02 Aug 2015 314 03 Aug 2015 268 04 Aug 2015 130 05 Aug 2015 127 06 Aug 2015 127 07 Aug 2015 8384 08 Aug 2015 131 09 Aug 2015 79 10 Aug 2015 554 11 Aug 2015 316 12 Aug 2015 756 13 Aug 2015 231 14 Aug 2015 1200 15 Aug 2015 2930 16 Aug 2015 4689 17 Aug 2015 867 18 Aug 2015 2564 19 Aug 2015 1695 20 Aug 2015 385 21 Aug 2015 206 22 Aug 2015 173 23 Aug 2015 317 24 Aug 2015 174 25 Aug 2015 182 |
- Hi @Fæ:, not sure that Commons search link is correct -- for example, the first hit it gives (for 2015-08-24) is File:Bulletin (1955) (20425081375).jpg; but according to the file page that was posted to Flickr on 9 August 2015. Perhaps double-quotes may not be currently working on Commons search?
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- (And correctly(?) it gives 2145 for Aug 24, and zero for Jul 24; unlike 174 and 4129 in your table).
- It's good to see that the IA uploads to Flickr are on the move again. They seemed to do the first 2.6 million images by August last year (out of over 14 million apparently extracted), but then seemed to stop -- disappointingly, as there was some very nice stuff eg from books like this one that I hoped might appear.
- It looks like they have since started uploading again -- I'm not quite sure from when, but you have that info -- presumably now as part of the pipeline from new books that they are scanning. The recent uploads seem to be overwhelmingly from the Biodiversity Heritage Library project. Do you know if that is exclusively the case, or is other stuff appearing as well? (Including any of the backlog from older books that they have scanned?)
- Also, I really like the 'uncrop' tool. But do you know if you're getting full resolution, eg compared to the IA images, if you're pulling images from the flipbook pages (even at maximum zoom)? -- I know some of the IA downloadable pdf can be (or, at least, could be in the past) quite savagely compressed, compared to the JPEG2000 images available as a zipfile. Do you know if the same is true for the images you're pulling from the flipbook, or are they okay?
- Thank you (again!) so much for all you're doing to get this fantastic content uploaded. All best, Jheald (talk) 22:04, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
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- @Jheald: There are over 5 million crops in the IA Flickrstream today. Though most are under the slightly arbitrary 2,800 pixels on a side limit I have chosen, this still gives a big repository of high quality "book plates" to draw on. The updates do seem erratic, possibly related to staff availability. If they ever give up on their project we could probably do something similar ourselves—i.e. automatic detection of suitable images on a page, ignoring text, and create and upload the crop. In the longer term, I was intending to create my own "IA uploader", I have it half written as I was going to do something initially with audio file uploads.
- The numbers in the table above are wrong, it's just a bit of fun and I'll revisit at some point. It's a bit close to my holiday to start anything new. There's a lot of last minute chores to get on with!
- I think the recent preponderance to BHL stuff is coincidence. My own BHL project is running separately based on the BHL Flickrstream—Commons:Biodiversity_Heritage_Library/Reports. It actually uploads the image directly from the BHL site rather than the Flickr or IA mirrors (the BHL Flickr stream is full pages, not crops), so my two projects are in competition with each other. I went down this route after exploring the BHL API2, in order to create the meaningful image pages (their Flickr pages have virtually no metadata).
- The uncrop uses the IA book page image at maximum resolution. This pulls the single page download link from the IA API. As this can return a pre-rotated image, this is why I created the 90 and 270 degree rotation categories. This is the normal jpeg they use for book viewing, which seems good quality to me... but ... testing ...
Test2: Upload manual uncrop (not via IA API) of test page, using the max zoom page view. JPEG Image, 3,056 × 4,473 (2.19 MB).
Test3: Upload JP2 alternative (p262) 3056 × 4473 pixels 1.5MB. Cannot, as not allowed on Commons.
Okay, the JP2 is smaller in filesize but the identical resolution. When looking at the JPEG and JP2 side by side at maximum resolution, I see every print point of the original in identical detail. Oddly, perhaps, the colour background is slightly different with the JP2 appearing a lighter colour. At this point I'm abandoning the idea of "upgrading" my uploads as there is no perceptible improvement in quality. I think that IA have probably done the best possible job in taking the JP2 original scan and re-compressing to JPEG without losing any noticeable detail for either the viewer or a reuser wanting to print out. As Commons cannot take JP2, I'd have to re-compress again and I doubt my judgement for re-compression settings would be an improvement on IA's decisions.
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- What I'm most pleased with in this project was the handling of blank pages—User:Fæ/Project_list/Internet_Archive#Blank_pages. The IA have failed to do anything about this on their Flickrstream, so the value of their project is weakened by the large number of scanned blank pages. My blank page filter is built in to my upload, so obvious blanks are skipped; for some book scans the detected images are actually all blank pages!
- The Mostly blank detector has been one of the best experiments I've done for a while. Giving Faebot simple eyes to look through collections gives interesting results and some excellent techniques for housekeeping or improving future projects.
- Anyway, I'm parking this line of thought, in order to spend more time packing my suitcase... --Fæ (talk) 08:04, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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Uncategorized GLAM report categories[edit]
Hi, a few months ago I mentioned to you that the report categories generated by Faebot lack categorization and show up on Special:UncategorizedCategories in increasing numbers. This is still unsolved. May I remind you to fix this (after your vacation, of course)? Thanks, --Rudolph Buch (talk) 11:53, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
- A fudge would probably do. As a precaution, I will switch it off while I'm away. --Fæ (talk) 13:44, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
- I would send you some, but I think the German ones are not as good as those from English speaking countries, so it would probably be a disappointment. Thanks for doing it even without sweets incentives. --Rudolph Buch (talk) 13:52, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Category:James Bateman - A Second Century of Orchidaceous Plants (1867)[edit]
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Hi Fæ, I'm working on this category you uploaded. I miss the plate no. 200. Can you this picture [3] upload please. Orchi (talk) 17:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
- Done Nice work on category creation.
- As a treat for you, I'm going to prioritize matches to orchid for the next 24 hours (example). However I'm then travelling for a week and uploading is going to be on hold. If you have any requests leave them here and I'll take a look on my return.
- In general, the BHL uploads are about 30% complete, unless I've missed something about the Flickrstream I'm navigating by. There are around 15,000 images released as Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike which includes some orchid related books, and I suspect these can be uploaded as PD after some research and pinning down the necessary automated checks. --Fæ (talk) 06:41, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
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- First thank you for the missing picture. The amount of the new images are working for years. Unfortunately, one has to look for the name of each photo and the duplicates are time-consuming to search (The plant name and the plate number in the title of the pictures would be very, very good). I'd want a little more time for good work here at the orchids. ;-) Orchi (talk) 19:45, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
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- If the page numbers parameter is filled in, these can be automatically renamed... more specific renaming is also possible but I think this would be book by book. Something I can investigate but was a bit too unreliable to automate up front.
- I've patched this in for new uploads. Filenames are now "<title> (<pagenumbers>) (<flickr photoID>).jpg" but with no first brackets where pagenumbers is absent from the BHL metadata. Examples:
- Dictionnaire iconographique des orchidees (Pl. 1) (9301847680).jpg
- Atlas d'anatomie comparée des invertébrés (Plate 17) (8592583030).jpg
- Chase fruit and flowers in natural colors (Page 114) (6237574652).jpg
- Oceanic ichthyology (Plate CXXIII) (6441815329).jpg
- De metamorphosi eleutheratorum observationes (Tab. IX) (8244679488).jpg
- This means that a folder containing nothing but all the uploaded illustrations will be alphabetically sorted by plate numbers (the word and language of "plate" and the format of the number will vary depending on how described in the metadata). I know this doesn't match the way you have prefixed filenames with figure numbers, but there's no particular standard for this agreed, and this is the way I prefer citation style format from a lexicography viewpoint. If this looks stable after next week, I'll look at whether it is worth doing this retrospectively as a Faebot task. Now, must get back to bed and try to sleep, busy last day ahead in 'real life'. --Fæ (talk) 02:02, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
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- .....with numbers your work is much better to handle for me. Here: Jean Jules Linden – Pescatorea (1860) are missing the plates no. 6 [4] and 21 [5].
- Can you help again please? I think, further questions will follow. Orchi (talk) 11:46, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
- No problem but I'm out of volunteer time right now. I should be available to look at questions from around 8th September.
- A quick look using this search seems to show that the two plates are not on Flickr. This is more complex, though it may be worth me putting together a biodiversitylibrary.org script. I'll return to think about this in a week or two.--Fæ (talk) 12:20, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
- No problem but I'm out of volunteer time right now.
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OOPS[edit]
All your recent botanical photos are in Category:Curtis's botanical magazine and should be in Category:Curtis's Botanical Magazine WayneRay (talk) 18:39, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
- Done these are easy with cat-a-lot, but with the redirect in place Russbot will get around to it.
- also Category:Flore médicale des Antilles, ou, Traité des plantes usuelles should be connected to the Books by year and medicinal books etc, NOT the individual images as they are already in your main Category, Thanks WayneRay (talk) 18:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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- I'd be interested in fixing the general pattern for any remaining uncreated book categories left as redlinks, though I could search out likely book titles that have been created and work out which categories are shared between all images in the category. I'll look at this after my holiday to see how common an issue it is. @Wieralee: as the specific category creator.
- Category:Media needing categories requiring human attention Just going through all the uncategorized images for 2013 and 2014 and it seems all of your photos have no connecting Category?? No one will ever see them. Stop what you are doing and do a proper job of cateloguing your photos. All photos should be connected to a main and proper Category. WayneRay (talk) 19:46, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Category:Narwhal (Steam bark) of San Francisco, Calif., mastered by Horace P. Smith (1892)[edit]
Is it a joke? ;-) Wieralee (talk) 23:08, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- I agree, these are just blank pages and they should be deleted or at most speedy delete WayneRay (talk) 14:32, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Commons Privacy Rules[edit]
Hello Fæ. Do you know about the privacy in the following specific case: After working on this file i looked the place at/with Google Street View and as you can see at the Street View Version the mural Advertisement has been blurred by Google. How do the rules for WP-Commons about this comply related to Adresses, Phone Numbers etc. Or even about "free" advertising ? Thank you & Best Regards --Gary Dee (talk) 18:15, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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