AC/DC: How does the show go on with only one original member?
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Some bands look and sound lame once they start rotating through members. But for others, it's less about the personalities and more about the songs themselves, writes Simon Tatz.
AC/DC, Australia's most successful international band, is currently touring their worldwide Rock Or Bust show.
What makes AC/DC such a phenomenon is that there's only one original member left, the ageless Angus Young.
No other musical group has been able to change line-ups and overcome the loss of so many members and become more popular.
AC/DC's successes gives rise to philosophical questions: what constitutes a band, the parts or the whole? Is a band just the name regardless of who plays in it, or does it depend on who's actually on stage performing?
40 years ago, when AC/DC first burst onto the scene with their debut LP High Voltage, they were led by charismatic singer Bon Scott. With Scott up front, AC/DC delivered hit albums like TNT, Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap, Let There Be Rock and Highway To Hell.
In 1980, Bon Scott tragically died and that should have been the end of AC/DC. But surprisingly AC/DC replaced Bon with Brian Johnson and they became even bigger and are now one of the mega rock bands of all time.
It doesn't matter that over 20 musicians have played with AC/DC over four decades. As Shelley Hadfield wrote in the Herald Sun (April 17, 2015):
Whatever the line-up, the brand inspires awesome loyalty, and grandparents are now bringing grandchildren to their shows.
In a review of their Wembley show in June, Uncut magazine noted:
You don't need to speak English to know what's going on at an AC/DC concert [...] much less know who is in the band.
So why can some bands seemingly survive with a phone-book list of members, while others will never be the same if even one musician departs?
And does it mean that it's the song, not the singer that matters to fans?
The answer is that for some bands, the songs are more meaningful than the performers; whereas for others, it is the chemistry and personalities that make the whole.
Black Sabbath are also touring Australia again soon. The line-up of Ozzy Osbourne, Geezer Butler and Tony Iommi is supplemented by a drummer not even mentioned on their website.
Like AC/DC, Black Sabbath (and fellow metal bands Deep Purple and Iron Maiden) have not just changed line-ups, they've changed lead singers too, many times. Some would say too many times.
Formed in 1969, Black Sabbath and singer Ozzy Osbourne first parted ways in 1977 after a succession of landmark albums. Following Ozzy into bat was Dave Walker, who was kicked out before he had time to learn the lyrics. Ozzy then briefly rejoined the band before exiting again, to be replaced by Rainbow vocalist Ronnie James Dio, then former Deep Purple singer Ian Gillan, and then Dave Donato.
It gets worse, much, much worse. Some geezer named Tony Martin sang on the lamentably mis-titled Black Sabbath album The Eternal Idol, while an LP by "Black Sabbath featuring Tony Iommoi" had another Deep Purple singer, Glenn Hughes, at the helm before someone called Ray Gillen finished the tour.
Australian prime ministers have lasted longer than Black Sabbath vocalists. And yet Black Sabbath have grown in stature.
Other bands have interchanged their singers without diminishing their fan base, sales or credibility: Deep Purple (Rod Evans, Ian Gillan, David Coverdale, Glenn Hughes and Joe Lynn Turner); Iron Maiden (Paul DiAnno, Bruce Dickinson and Blaze Bayley) and Van Halen, who had a huge hit with the LP 1984, lost lead singer David Lee Roth to a solo career but recruited Sammy Hagar and went on to release four No. 1 albums.
Pink Floyd, Jefferson Airplane, Genesis, Alice in Chains, Judas Priest, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Faith No More are other million-selling bands who have switched, swapped, dumped or drafted in new lead singers.
Does this mean that it doesn't matter to fans who is actually on stage, just as long as the song remains the same?
Well, not always. INXS lost the great Michael Hutchence, and while Terence Trent D'Arby, Jon Stevens and JD Fortune all tried valiantly to emulate him, INXS sadly looked and sounded lame without Michael.
The Doors tried to stay ajar after Jim Morrison died, but after two underrated LPs they finally put up the shutters ... well, until The Doors of the 21st Century appeared, a name more apt for a building supply centre.
The Doors without Jim Morrison was a sad joke.
The Grateful Dead have been resurrected several times post-Jerry Garcia, and while the faithful fill US stadiums to see various incarnations, unlike AC/DC, it doesn't seem the genuine artefact.
And it's not just the singer who cannot always be replaced. The Who and Led Zeppelin both had their drummers die too young. Neither band could never be considered in the same light again.
The Who were a rather empty vessel without Keith Moon, such was his personality and talent; and not even Junior could replace John Bonham, although the one-off Zeppelin reformation was amazing.
The answer to what makes a band 'authentic' lies in the personality and chemistry that individuals bring to the group. The Beatles could never be the Beatles without John, Paul, George & Ringo. Had they re-formed after John Lennon's murder it just would not have been the Beatles.
For AC/DC, it's the songs, not the singer, that make them so uniquely popular.
Simon Tatz is a music writer and former record store employee.
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Kit:
03 Nov 2015 1:29:21pm
Fair points made, but I don't reckon they could replace Angus, couldn't see that one working.
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ibast:
03 Nov 2015 2:56:49pm
Agree and I think Brian Johnson was so long ago modern fans couldn't get over him leaving either. They weren't the international juggernaut, they are now, when Bon Scott was lost. Bonn Scott's death only originally upset pub scene fans intitially. Others only fully realised the loss many years later.
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MarkWA:
03 Nov 2015 1:29:37pm
AC/DC was always Angus Young's band , he wrote the songs , played the riffs and provides its drive and energy.
Great songs do make a great band but take Angus out and AC/DC becomes a cover act of little note.
Its not about the singer its about the guitarist same reason Van Halen lived on without DLR , it is the guitarist that makes them uniquely popular.
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Geezer:
03 Nov 2015 1:45:32pm
Not quite right. AC/DC was actually (Angus' brother) Malcolm's band, and he ran it with an iron fist until health issues forced him outr The brothers wrote all the songs together, with input from the singers in most cases.
But yes, a charismatic lead guitarist will carry a band.
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Dire:
03 Nov 2015 1:53:55pm
True, but Deep Purple saw off Richie Blackmore, who was their driving force, and are still going strong decades later.
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My One:
03 Nov 2015 4:56:05pm
Mark,
You are right in saying that a band needs a character, whether it be the guitarist or the lead singer, to add to their performance and stake a claim for identity space in the large and fast rotating world or rock n roll.
The key for longevity is actually song writing. Take the writer out of the band and it disappears in puff of yesterdays hero. For AC/DC, U2 and The Rolling Stones, all 30 - 40 - 50 year veterans, it's always been about the music. The writers in these bands have developed in sync with the audience and kept them entertained.
Other bands, with character, have written themselves out of the loop and now survive on the retro circuit. Nice work but I bet they would rather be in the top 40 than the over 40.
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Son of Zaky:
03 Nov 2015 1:34:42pm
Surprised that in a comparative analysis of this type there is no mention of Chicago. I would have thought that band would be a very good touchstone in a discussion of this sort.
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stephen jones:
03 Nov 2015 4:56:59pm
Chicago had 7 permanent members and the brass lineup were session players.
All the musicians were top flight.
There were 3 lead singers and Peter Cetera was the most prominant.
It's the sound a group makes and their visual presentation which makes them last.
Angus Young can go bye-byes if he wants, as long as a replacement can play as if he is the lead singer ; Young is the focus of the group because he plays a foremost melody whilst the actual lead singer sings almost a figured bass. (Go figure !)
But they alternate our attention and divide our concentration and loyalties, like evangelists do when they get in your door (there's always at least 2 of them ; this weakens us, just like Angus does)
Coincidentally I read a review recently of Chicago's new album in a UK Hi Fi magazine and he complained that this band was a copy of Blood Sweat and Tears and no body would bother listening to Chicago unless they had a tin ear.
I checked with Rolling Stone archives, and they said the same thing.
I must have a tin ear.
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Son of Zaky:
03 Nov 2015 5:35:54pm
Mark me down as owning a tin ear as well sj.
And Cetera wasn't just the most prominent, he was the most bestest.
And now I'll sit back and wait for the dissenters....
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Budgie Smuggler:
03 Nov 2015 1:49:18pm
Rock bands ----- oh how boring!!
Initially immature boys who couldn't play, couldn't sing and couldn't write "proper" songs, playing for the drunks in the pubs and if they eventually got successful playing for the druggies in the stadiums. They were second rate versions of "real" musicians from other genres of music.
Then these immature boys grew up into actual men, became fat, balding (or wore long hair wigs), full of ugly wrinkles and gave regular interviews on how they "used" to saturate themselves with drugs. Then we had lineups of these wrinkled oldies doing tours and looking and sounding ridiculous, prancing about on stage putting themselves at risk from heart attacks and arthritis injuries.
Now a lot of them are really, really old men beyond pension age, and what are they doing? Still trying to relive their old bogan days on stage playing bad music, terrible bogan songs, and looking silly as usual, striving to regain lost youth by visiting the local old folks home after a gig looking for pensioner groupies.
There's only one redeeming factor ----- bogan rock band music is a bit better than rap music, oops I mean rap non-music.
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baz:
03 Nov 2015 5:32:30pm
A bit harsh and uppity don't you think?
And you listen to?
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Who Cares:
03 Nov 2015 6:03:38pm
The sound of crickets.
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Ecks Why Zed:
03 Nov 2015 7:45:23pm
That is something my father might have agreed with (he died at ninety). Anyone who thinks that playing rock stadium gigs is so easy that any "better" musician could step in without experience and nail the gig, is not in touch with the reality of playing music for audiences.
Playing rock shows require a different skillset to playing jazz gigs.
Accadacca have skills, and Angus is a tremendous blues rock guitarist. I saw the band play at a school dance as a teen and they were solid players even then, much more so than less talented bands.
BTW rap IS music, just music that's not to your (or my) taste.
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carbon-based lifeform:
03 Nov 2015 8:46:38pm
After Bon Scott fell off the perch, AC/DC eventually became like Status Quo used to be: Same song, different words!
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Budgie Smuggler:
03 Nov 2015 8:51:05pm
Rap is "recitation". Recitation with bad diction.
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stephen jones:
03 Nov 2015 9:06:22pm
I'd say that rap is more like chant.
It's repetition reminds me of Steve Reich's music except that the musical interlude (what interlude there is) in rap needs to develop the language used.
Too many ideas, not enough sentiment there, I think.
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Rock isnt dead:
03 Nov 2015 2:00:34pm
As said in previous comments, it's not always just the singer but other elements of the band (particularly chief songwriters) that will ensure the band endures.
The same question could be said of sporting teams. There are folks who always bang on about their club's history, yet it has no relevance to the team on the field as all the players have changed since then.
Similarly with car brands. People are fans of the brand and love everything they produce, but the people designing and building them are totally different to those who have done so on earlier models.
So, there's an element of substance and an element of brand and hype to go with it.
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bobtonnor:
03 Nov 2015 2:01:16pm
When Gary Glitter parted ways with his hair, things were never the same...in many ways. With the sad demise of Karen Carpenter, the Carpenters became the Carpenter, pretty soon Richard was only getting calls to 'do some truss work', or 'build some bookshelves', he was never the same again, neither was the trusswork. When Ike and Tina parted ways Tina and her hair formed a duo of their own and went on to world wide success, its not often commented on that Ike moved to Sweden where he began to build furniture in a small shed where under the glow of the aurora borealis, sadly his landlord of the time, Ingvar Feodor Kamprad stole his plans and went on to earn a fortune and annoy the bejesus out of millions worldwide with strange alankey type devices. Ike drowned his sorrow in a binge of drugs, drink and MDF and sadly died in 2007.
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Andrew McIntosh:
03 Nov 2015 2:01:58pm
Agree completely. The musicians who created them were inspired and talented, and deserve praise, but they also know that the songs themselves are what makes their band. The performers, the gimmicks - even the school boy costume - the sets and so on, are all secondary to the music and to the crowds who come to hear it and revel in it. Then it becomes an inclusive, collective experience.
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Wilmot:
03 Nov 2015 2:21:14pm
Was it the Little River Band that nearly went on tour with no original members? Forgive me, I don't quite recall, but I think it was them. Musicians, it is very important to know who owns the right to use your band name!
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Zathras:
03 Nov 2015 2:23:39pm
They are a bit like the Rolling Stones and many other "iconic bands"- they just keep making the same album over and over again - year after year.
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Crow:
03 Nov 2015 7:02:34pm
If only... the Beggars Banquet to Exile on Main Street period is some of the greatest rock ever.
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Dom de Plume:
03 Nov 2015 2:29:39pm
How does the show go on with only one original member?
Well, in the case of AC/DC it probably has a lot to with playing exactly the same song for 40 years.
The case of Pink Floyd is very different, as the music changed significantly from the Barrett years to the Waters years to the Gilmour years. I am a big fan, but the latter is 'Pink Floyd' in name only.
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Maiden Man:
03 Nov 2015 2:30:22pm
Maiden may have had three vocalists. Paul D'anno suited their style at the time, but would they have gone to same heights had Bruce not stepped in? I don't think so. Maiden always has been, and always will be Steve Harris' band, but he got Bruce Dickinson and Adrian Smith back for a reason. The line up from 1983 - 1989 was magic. The line ups between 1980 and 1983 were great too. 1990 - 1999 can be written off. Dickinson and Smith complete the line up, and imo, why they're still going strong today.
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Leighroy73:
03 Nov 2015 7:09:54pm
Fear of the Dark '92 had some fine moments and created one of their greatest live anthems, although Dickinson's vocals had definitely changed by then. Book of Souls is an incredible album although Dickinson's voice has clearly suffered from his cancer. However, Harris knows that Dickinson has the right charisma on stage and in his voice. That's why I have my ticket for their tour next year and I know they will tear the place apart. Even keeping Gers on after Smith returned is pretty amazing. I hope you have your ticket
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Abbottpell:
03 Nov 2015 8:20:54pm
Up the irons...
The red and the black forever.
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Maiden Man:
03 Nov 2015 9:26:51pm
My oath I have tickets for next year leighboy73. Must say, still bit peeved that that the boys the boys never brought the maiden England tour down here a few years back. Somewhere in time in 08 was something else. Can't way for May 16
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Lojac:
03 Nov 2015 2:33:00pm
you are wrong about Iron maiden..Blaze Bayley's time with the band almost killed them
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A Former Lefty:
03 Nov 2015 2:38:43pm
Ill never understand why this band receives so many accolades. Their songs all use the same chord progressions, the same riffs, the same rhythm, the same tempo, the same vocals, the same lyrics and have a sameness of sound that, while I think they think its a defining sound, actually just shows to me a lack of musical ability and imagination.
I remember a few years ago when they released a much hyped album, hearing a few songs and not being sure whether it was just covers of their old songs or not. Impossible to tell as an outsider.
But hey Im sure the money is rolling in for them so good luck to them and all, but as far as I am concerned there are far more talented, innovative and deserving musicians in this country that dont receive the attention they deserve.
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Vince:
03 Nov 2015 4:59:58pm
They are awesome. One of the few bands that can get anyone from a 6 year old all the way up to an 80 year old, out on the dance floor, banging their heads, playing air guitar and all out having a bloody good time.
You obviously know nothing about art, music or having fun.
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Crow:
03 Nov 2015 7:03:16pm
Or not everyones opinion is the same?
I can appreciate some ACDC songs without being a fan also.
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schneids:
03 Nov 2015 7:46:05pm
Agreed. They're awful.
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MD:
03 Nov 2015 3:38:18pm
They were on the cusp of greatness when Bon died, Brian Johnson took them to huge, and he's been there since then. If Johnson had gone before now, the band would've too. It's always been the singer AND the song, not one or the other, otherwise there wouldn't be one-off hits. George Young and his songwriting/producing partner Harry Vanda know that. None of the bands that you mention are making new hits, whatever new music they make sells to their established fans. On that note (boom boom!), the new Cold Chisel offering is a disappointment, IMO, original membership or no.
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Chris:
03 Nov 2015 3:44:09pm
There's only one original member left in Kraftwerk (Ralf Hutter), and one could argue they're pulling more crowds to their shows than ever before.
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the lollipop guild:
03 Nov 2015 3:45:01pm
haven't been ACDC since Feb 19 1980.
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Vince:
03 Nov 2015 5:28:05pm
Why? Is that the date you turned your hearing aid off?
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HPH:
03 Nov 2015 8:34:58pm
He said ACDC ... Not AC/DC.
:)
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Who Cares:
03 Nov 2015 5:39:04pm
Word!
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Tull fan:
03 Nov 2015 4:00:20pm
Jethro Tull could never have survived without Ian Anderson driving the band from the helm.
Even with his voice completely shot, his energy, flute-playing and eccentric on-stage performances kept the audiences happy and wanting more right up till the time Ian called it a day.
Each band is unique and so are their internal dynamics and the way they are seen by their audience. There is no formula for success only categorisations after the event.
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Chubblo:
03 Nov 2015 4:15:32pm
AC/DC and some of the other bands mentioned have a timeless quality to their songs regards of their members.
One example you didn't mention was Guns N' Roses who you would instantly think would be destitute without Slash who was and still is incredible on the guitar, but all they did was replace him with a no name who could emulate his ability. I went to a concert of theirs at Homebush a few years back after getting a free ticket and once they did their Chinese Democracy plug (which no one in the crowd liked) and actually played all the good old songs, I thought they were absolutely brilliant.
Of course it helps that Axel Rose has such a distinctive voice that lends itself to the music.
Interesting mention about Faith No More though. The guitarist who left was brilliant but the original vocalist wasn't that great in my opinion. Mike Patton was far superior.
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Neil:
03 Nov 2015 4:23:45pm
I'm not surprised AC/DC can maintain their popularity. Their music is loud, simple & juvenile. As such, it doesn't matter who is in the band.
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A Former Lefty:
03 Nov 2015 4:57:37pm
Doesnt take much talent to create feedback and distortion on a guitar while you do a 3 chord song with a vocalist of dubious talent screeching incoherently. Pretty much every song of theirs sounds the same and I cant tell the difference between their old music and old lineup and their new music and new lineup.
But hey they make more money than me and thats all that matters these days...
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Vince:
03 Nov 2015 5:29:39pm
Mate, go listen to "Thunderstruck" for example and tell me it is just a "3 chord song". It is a work of genius. Mozart couldn't have done better.
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schneids:
03 Nov 2015 9:11:04pm
Don't think you've listened to much Mozart, have you? Come to think of it you're an AC/DC fan so it probably goes without saying.
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Dove:
03 Nov 2015 7:13:32pm
Can I assume your critique is based on your own successful musical career? ACDC are in the same league as ZZ Top and Status Quo- like one song, you'll like them all. Their simplicity is their success and their genius. It'll be my third helping in a few weeks and few gatherings outside Bay 13 could be more Australian.
Do they need original members? Angus is the mascot and lead act on stage, Malcolm has been there long enough to count. We can go and see a Beethoven or Mahler symphony without any of the original members. There is no difference. Well, I might see a Beethoven or Mahler symphony. You might prefer watching The Bachelor. Each to their own
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carbon-based lifeform:
03 Nov 2015 8:52:08pm
Listen to some of the early ZZ Top albums and you'll see they aren't one-hit wonders.
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MrB:
03 Nov 2015 6:09:04pm
I got a comp ticket to see the Thunderstruck tour and remember thinking i would not have paid to see them. It was pretty pedestrian stuff except for a few key hit songs. I've also seen Metallica 4 times and yet most of their songs are far more intricate and complex in arrangement, and seem livelier on stage. As you can tell I'm not a huge fan of either band so can be critical of the songs rather lose my head screaming in fanboy mode in attendance.
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Vince:
03 Nov 2015 6:55:40pm
LOL. "Metallica". Haha. Good one!
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Tator:
03 Nov 2015 4:29:49pm
You mentioned Pink Floyd swapping lead singers, yes they lost Syd Barrett to mental illness in the 60's but already had Dave Gilmour in the band who shared lead vocals with Roger Waters. Floyd also much more successful once Barrett left with Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here and The Wall all becoming massive commercial successes compared to their early stuff. The Dark Side of the Moon holding the record for longest period in holding a chart position for 741 weeks.
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The Owl:
03 Nov 2015 4:50:25pm
Who cares about the analysis - AC/DC are an incredible "show."
I waited many years to experience a live performance and enjoyed every minute.
Angus has truly done his "10,000 hours" - 8 to 10 hours a day on his guitar. The Ashfield Boys High boys, from Scotland, are still great and yes, even with only one original the band is the true survivors of Rock.
Angus is no 60 year old "slacker."
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me123:
03 Nov 2015 4:51:14pm
Bon Jovi all the way
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PW:
03 Nov 2015 5:10:11pm
"Australia's most successful international band"
That would be The Wiggles wouldn't it?
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Captain Spick:
03 Nov 2015 8:43:01pm
Which incarnation of The Wiggles would that be? They have had a significant lineup change.
"Australia's most successful international band" By what definition or measure is AC/DC Australian?
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Eric Quang:
03 Nov 2015 5:19:57pm
The American out fit Manhattan Transfer have had several changes to their line up but remain a class act with billions of fans world wide, much of their success can be attributed to the fact they have one of the tightest rythm sections that ever drew breath, also the great American swing bands like Glen Miller and Tommy Dorsey have had to reform many times but are still super stars who play to packed out houses every time they tour such is the quality of their performances.
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OUB :
03 Nov 2015 5:35:54pm
Trying again because such an innocuous effort couldn't have been spiked intentionally I just don't know. Yet again.
It's not quite the same situation with axes (I've had this axe for 30 years. Replaced the blade twice and the handle five times but it's the same axe). Perhaps it depends on the stage in the life cycle of a band. If they lose a leg as a pupa no harm done, grow another one and hopefully emerge as a butterfly. If they lose a wing as a butterfly that could be more serious. Once a band gets into a senescent stage, just wiling away its remaining time in the spotlight, condemned to repeat its hits of decades past with no new recordings for its nostalgic followers to hate, then the songs become the thing. A vehicle for singing along with or knowledgeable swaying or foot tapping, actions to display an audience's ownership of the band's past. The players lose their importance. They can be changed whenever the law or ill-health catches up with the members, victims of too much time on their hands, hangers-on and a bit of money.
Sometimes it comes down to who can best lay claim to ownership of the name. I gather some American bands of decades past have splintered and run their own tours under the old name. I imagine the lawyers made a lot of money out of The Platters.
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Who Cares:
03 Nov 2015 5:38:17pm
AC/DC died with Bonn Scott.The continuation were merely stunt doubles.
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Vince:
03 Nov 2015 6:22:55pm
And so we'll just pretend that Hell's Bells never happened, eh?
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Q...:
03 Nov 2015 6:26:51pm
Brian can't sing a Bon song properly and they were AC/DC's best. They may keep producing music but it is definitively different as a consequence of his death.
Guns n Roses still has Axl so can "sound" like they used to but can't write music anymore. If you want some proper gunners redux you need to follow Slash's career.
Metallica can play song's from Cliff's era but a large portion of the soul of the band died with him. The middle aged remainder seem to be catching up to where he and Kirk were 30 years ago. Maybe there's time left...
There are many and varied reasons why various bands have longevity but the music always has to work...
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Paulie Jay:
03 Nov 2015 6:30:32pm
This article is a bit rough on Cliff Williams (bass). He may not be original, but he has been with the band since 1977.
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Woody:
03 Nov 2015 8:01:08pm
Rock and it's "stars" lost their sense of humour around the time Freddie Mercury passed away. Not many laughs since. I love The Who and Keith Moon but you're selling Zak Starkey very short. The greater loss to The Who's current live sound is Entwhistle
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Tonybeer01:
03 Nov 2015 8:10:13pm
RAMMSTEIN:
Let us hear it for these fellows:
Formed in 1996 and still touring. And no changes
yet!
I like Weidmanns Heil best.
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tonybeer01:
03 Nov 2015 8:36:52pm
Is this fair?:
That Brian Johnston has been fronting for 30 years
and still seen as the replacement?
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Filip:
03 Nov 2015 9:00:02pm
A few years ago I asked my 14 yr old daughter if she to go and see ACDC? After a slight pause and with a puzzled look on her face she replied "but dad, Bon Scott is dead".
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