UNITED NATIONS: Pakistan told the United Nations General Assembly during a debate that “the unresolved Jammu and Kashmir dispute remains the root cause of tensions and instability” in South Asia.
Pakistan’s Ambassador to the United Nations Maleeha Lodhi said that the longstanding dispute had to be addressed boldly and decisively if enduring peace and stability was to be established in the area.
She pointed out during a debate that for over half a century UN resolutions pledging a plebiscite to allow the Kashmiri people to exercise their right to self- determination had not been implemented.
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“Instead the people of Kashmir have suffered brutal oppression,” she said, adding that the urgency of peacefully settling the dispute was even more compelling today.
She said that calling for termination of these consultations, as a precondition for dialogue, is unacceptable as well as counter-productive, referring to the Indian pre-condition for talks.
“Escalating tensions on the Line of Control in Kashmir and the Working Boundary also require Pakistan and India to take possible measures to avert further escalation.”
She said “it was against this backdrop that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif announced a four-point peace initiative in this General Assembly on Sept 30.
“This should have evoked a positive response from India. But this has not been forthcoming.”
Nevertheless, she said, Pakistan stood ready to engage in a dialogue on all outstanding issues.
Published in Dawn, October 15th , 2015
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Comments (134)
the unresolved Jammu and Kashmir dispute remains the root cause of tensions and instability
Even if Kashmir is resolved , tensions will remain , in fact tensions will always remain between India and Pakistan, their is no kashmir between Afghanistan and Pakistan but their is tension nonetheless, so resolution of kashmir does not ensure tension will go away, it will be raised for some other issue.
I bet as long as their is India and Pakistan their will be issues between them, for one reason or another, tensions are here to stay ,new disputes will come up as soon as old ones are resolved.
A correction. Kashmir issue is the cause of tension and instability in Pakistan, not South Asia.
Who is causing the tension?
resolve the Kashmir un resolution=permanent peace in the region
@PK Kashmir issue
Kashmir is an integral part of India.....please vacate Pak occupied Kashmir as agreed to in Para 1 of the UN resolution of 1948, that one step will bring peace and prosperity to the entire region if not the world......
Pakistan must vacate its part of Kashmir first because that is also part of UN resolution and bring back what it gave to China and China moves out of what it occupied in 1962. One thing is also sure, J&K minorities will not be allowed to be part of a religious state, be it in Jammu or Valley. So, arrangement needs be on that basis.
nearly 7 decades and these two countries are still fighting over a tiny piece of land , disregarding the welfare of hundreds of poor and needy in the process. the day india and Pakistan learn to work for the betterment of their masses instead of behaving like two bad neighbors will be the day subcontinent will truly rise from ashes.
Broken record
India never say that ,if we want peace in South Asia, we have to resolve Kashmir issue, why Pakistan always says that pet dialogue?
Childish, ignorant and suicidal; these three words can describe most of the Pakistani diplomats and political leaders. Childish, since they always need a father figure like US or UN to settle their disputes; ignorant, since they do not realize what is going on around the world and how much the militancy has spread; suicidal, since the monster thus they create more havoc inside Pakistan than anywhere else. Peace is still far away and the future indeed looks very bleak.
"Nevertheless, she said, Pakistan stood ready to engage in a dialogue on all outstanding issues". This is a good start, there are many other issues to discuss to first build some trust.
Madam maliha and Mr Sartaj must say something else for a change .Even the reporters must be bored
It takes two to tango, but neither of them tend to budge for sure. The great Indo/Pakistan stalemate........
And India will create an open-arms policy for Pakistan after settlement of Kashmir issue. What will Pakistan Army do?
What UN did tell in response your complain ?? And you right by saying this a tension . Pakistan should forget it and tension would be evaporate !!
When will you understand that neither of Ind and Pak is going to bow down in thia case. Why don't you focus on development of your country. Why only cry over this single issue all the time? Empty mind devils workshop is apt for Pakistan a this moment. Nothing great is happening in your country so keep nagging about Kashmir issue
Keep singing same old song, but who's listening?
What did UN say?
Justice delayed is justice denied. Are we forgetting something about arch enemies, and their issues that are resolvable, but both are looking the other way. Take simple example of the Second World War, how was it resolved? In a similar fashion why do we turn our backs to core issues and forget the basic facts. Kashmir issue is an issue which will not be resolved through dialogues nor there would be any implementation of United Nations resolutions and there would be no plebiscite on Kashmir issue, true or not, “the unresolved Jammu and Kashmir dispute remains the root cause of tensions and instability” thus the ongoing tension between India and Pakistan shall remain unresolved.
I wonder why these two rival countries in last 68 years have not been able to agree on simple formula of diffusing this Kashmir issue through bi-lateral talks and resolve the problem that otherwise will consume 100 of millions lives of both countries innocent population.Resolve this issue before its to late.
no one will listen to you..
How many were present at UNGA?
Are Pakistanis bored of this rant?
Anyone listened...??????
What happened to the dossiers Pakistan gave to UN?
Well done. However what's the motive behind this. What is to gain from this? Will UN resolve Kashmir? Will there be a Plebicite? Will peacekeeping forces be send to the Region? What is the objective trying to achieved? Let's be specific.
Ok. What now ?
Why not just keep aside Kashmir for gods sake ? Just forget Kashmir and move on
Do Not expect positive response from Indian Govt. But one day, with the help of God, Kashmiri will get their right of self determination according to UN resolution. We will keep on supporting them politically and morally.
This is meant for domestic consumption. Ask Kashmiris to keep quite. World needs to focus big theator in Syria where all Arab Countries are silent. Why they would talk about Kashmir? Forget about World Why Would even Arab countries talk about this?
Okay Kashmir issue cause of tension between India and Pakistan, NOT - the millions of hungry , poor Pakistanis and Indians in both the countries, the corrupt politicians in both the countries. I am an Indian who loves Mr. Hasan Nisar, the only sane voice on both sides of the border. His words " What big miracle will either India or Pakistan do if they get Kashmir , it will be the same hell hole that both the countries are "
Please wake up people , forget Kashmir or Cross border terrorism!!!!!!
every day Kashmir,Modi,India/Pak cricket,Pakistan forget these things and move on.........
@papuni Why should there be instability in the region bcoz of Kashmir ? India has disputes with China, but there is no instability issues b/w them. India resolved the border issue with Bangladesh, but when there was issue, there was no tension b/w the two. Simple question is : Why is there tension only b/w Pak and India issue ? Think over it.
Which part of Kashmir? J&K or Pak Occupied Kashmir?
UN resolution had three steps: 1. Pakistan withdraws its troops from entire J&K to the satisfaction of UN team. 2. India withdraws troops from J&K but maintain enough troops for law and order to the satisfaction of UN team. 3. A plebiscite is conducted by India under UN supervision.
Pakistan has never fulfilled the first requirement. Also, Pakistan tried to grab J&K through force in 1965 and 1999. As a result, Pakistan has violated those resolutions and is just shedding crocodile tears. Pakistan can fool its own citizens but would it be able to fool UNGA?
"Instead the people of Kashmir suffered brutal oppression." Very true Mrs. Lodhi, nobody can deny the facts. A very calculated and mature response by Mrs. Lodhi to sum up the entire core issue and call for immediate need of its resolve. This is in stark contrast to the uncivilized and naive statements given by Mrs. Swaraj last month. I think it will not harm Mrs. Swaraj if she reach out to Mrs. Lodhi and seek help in matters of diplomatic dialogue and etiquettes.
@True Blue Indian No restrictions on dreaming.
Not Kashmir issue. Foreign funded separatists and militants in Kashmir and Afghanistan are the major cause for tension. Also incidents like mumbai attacks and their handlers roaming freely are the major causes for tension in the region. UN knows this very well.
Ridiculous comments from my country men, you can not neglect the elephant in the room, if we do not resolve Kashmir issue soon, it will cost us a lot more later. We better workout something with Pakistan and Kashmiris.
I wounder how many times do Pakistan need to remind a well established organisation about same issues in a same year.UN have not forgot NS speach in UNGA. UN always say after 1971 its bilateral issue.more over plebicite is not binding for India. Pakistan can hold it in AJK if it want.
No deals are possible unless Pakistan becomes a Democracy with the Civilian Govt calling the shots.
Alternatively its about time the Pakistani army came forward for discussions with India and not its puppet the Civilian Govt
it was just for local audience.
Well said ambassador. UN now must act.
The bigger tension is that India is not taking any steps to solve it , they are only concerned about the 60% Kashmir which they have and the rest 40% is never cared of by them , atleast Pakistan has not shown the same attitude towards kashmir
Unmistakable pakistanis - Dossier Man and Debate Lady !!!!!! Both have been doing this for 10 years without any success. In Pakistan when the military talks everyone has to listen - not in other parts of the world. Both these people have not understood this yet.
Solve Kashmir and issues like poverty, sectarian unrest, illiteracy, power blackouts, corruption etc etc etc will be solved. Looks so simple.
When Pakistan presented Kashmir in UN, people were sleeping.Because they knew what topic will be put forward this year too.
Cause of tension in Bhutan / Afghanistan/ Nepal /Bangladesh /Sre Lanka is Kashmir dispute ...anyone believe !!!
@Valar Morgulis ...The same applies....Keep dreaming about Kashmir and forget about all the filth and decay that surrounds you...
UN Resolution on Kashmir is under chapter 6 of the UN charter to which UNSC and UNGA are not obliged to implement, unless and until both party requested....UN can not do anything on Kashmir issue. It doesn't make sense how many times you complain to UN. Rather, Pakistan should come on the table to discuss with India without involving third party (e.g. Hurriyat, UN, USA, China, etc.).
Please change the record. The world does not care. Pakistan has to talk to India only.
The way india is progressing wrt Pakistan, economically, military, and overall. its next to impossible to get Kashmir.. Pakistan's Kashmir issue is lost cause.. try to accept the realities and move on.
If Kashmir causes tension then forget it, simple.
Kashmir is not the only dispute that remains unresolved but there are also other territories under alien domination, which are the legacy of the British, threatening regional peace and security.
@sana-2 Afghanistan does not recognize the Durand Line. So, there is a dispute between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Pakistan's continuous obsession wit Kashmir and internationalising it at various forums has failed to cut any ice so far. In fact the world and international bodies are totally focused on terrorism and Pakistan figures in this major issue as part of the problem.
@Syed Chishti And what about Kashmiris? The people of that very disputed land. Where do you see their space in all this so called 'bilateral' lingo. Why shouldn't Kashmiris be the one deciding their fate? Why should it be India or Pakistan alone?
Is there any other construction topic or opinion on which Pakistan ever talks at UN?
The world is moving towards socio economic prosperity. Pakistan needs to focus on that and demonstrate that it is a socially and economically a mature country before it can exert any diplomatic pressures.
Currently, with the support of establishments criminals and corrupt politicians are running the country. Once that change then we can expect a positive shift in focus by the world. Then we can exert and demand... Right now we can demand or expect anything in our favor
Terrorism is the core issue in the world. South Asia is burning due to Islamic terrorism.
@Sunil dat show ended..now time for another drama..
What did UN say? What happened to the dossier given to UN? UN is UN known to resolve issues.
@Rao The filth and decay that surrounds us is what you've said, not I although I have no reason to disagree with such honest observation
@sana-2 You are absolutely right.There will never be peace as along as Pakistan military is in control. Musharraf probably was the seriouly interested but as soon as he tried peace he was toppled. Zia-Ul Huq was about to sign peace with Rajiv he was killed.
Most honest proposition of the century : consinder LOC as the international boundary and bring the peace n happiness in the région.
@Sunil Why don't you ask UN yourselves?
@Secular Indian So how many Pakistani troops are in Indian held Kashmir ? Oh wait , you guys want us to give up the "Azad Kashmir" to India as well. Of course , once that is done , Pakistan would be too worried about it's water problems due to complete Indian control over the 3 rivers that pass through Kashmir to worry about any plebiscite !
@Indian Dalit I see no one liked your suggestion. It says a lot about how both Indians and Pakistanis view each other as !
@Ironman ...The argument looks stupid to me.....
Let the people of Kashmir on both sides Indian & Pak occupied decide what they want, that's what UN resolutions say and that's what Pakistan's stance.
As if India cares for UN
Pakistan wants J&K, India wants them to continue in India. Both sides have hardened their views and their people won't allow their Govts. to bulge in inch. So the only solution is to accept the status quo or to freeze the Kashmir issue for about 10 years and concentrate on improving people to people, trade and cultural co-operation. Keep UN or other countries out of this, they can't intervene as evident for the last 65 years.
I am an analyst. I am sure, if this is the limit of intelligence, India requires to do nothing. It is like a wild animal with its head stuck in a noose. By its own wild nature the animal tries to wriggle itself out of the noose but in the bargain actually tightens the noose. All that is required is a little encouragement towards wild behaviour and to wait and watch. The best course for India is to do nothing. If talks happen, they will start with terror, not Kashmir. I can bet a few crore rupees on this. Be ready, in the next few years, to read about futile appeals to UNGA, UNSC, UNESCO, WHO, GREENPEACE, ACADEMY OF MOTION PICTURES, and CITIBANK about Kashmir. My only request to beautiful Dr Maleeha Lodhi is not to forget one appeal to my village Gram Panchayat also, and I will promise more proactive response than UNGA, UNSC. Breaking news: Pakistan is going to do, one more time, what it always does best.
Agreed with SANA-2 and Taimoor Khan. Our leaders know it too. But they have to say this anyway to keep themselves employed.
Oh really!!! That is news to me!!
I hear this almost every day.
Respectable and progressive countries and fine diplomats are the ones who help solve conflicts not just give fancy statements here and there. We need to take concrete actions guys!!! This requires compromises and looking for a win-win situation.
If military, elected governments and bureaucrats can not solve critical issues, then they need to have a soul searching exercise and invite right minds to do the job.
As if India cares for UN@Gaurav
lol, shhsh.....lets not tell them....just enjoy the comedy :)
Please change the name of Kashmir as it is getting bore to listen. Please suggest some other name and try to raise the same in UN. I bet this time UN listens to this and says that's a bilateral issue for another 68 years.
Pakistan has lived with this unresolved issue of kashmir for the last 68 years. May I suggest you live with this unresolved issue for the next 68 years also ?. We need not resolve issues as history has shown that we can live with unresolved issues.
Instead of raising Indian Kashmir, just check what development have been made in Azad kashmir. No railways, two airports are there but no flights land there, very little tourism. On the other side of Indian Kashmir government is building massive railway infrastructure soon there will be direct train from Mumbai to Srinagar, airport are operational with scheduled flights, huge amount of tourists visit kashmir which creates lots of employment and jobs. So its better to focus on Azad kashmir other than Indian Kashmir where atleast people have jobs here.
Kashmir issue will never be resolved. We need to move on and focus on our respective country's growth.
there is two point that is harming Pakistan one pakistani aam admi is very innocent and used by armed forces and politician for their selfish agenda as whatever they says he believe in that consiprancy theory 2nd for corruption poverty crime terrorism incompetence whatever faliour named only one ready put the blame at Kashmir issue . as if Kashmir will not solved this all would happened
The problem is that India do not even want to sit down and talk about Kashmir with Pakistan in a peaceful manner. There has always been ifs and buts. It used to be accession papers which has never been produced and trade openings. Now it is terrorism which can not go away before Kashmir is solved as Kashmir is the reason for it.
The brave people of Kashmir contnue their struggle, whether UN listens to them or not is another matter
Kashmir would have been an independent state had it not been for Mr.Jinnah and his maverick generals who broke the non-aggression pact with Maharaja and sent the state actors in the garb of non-state actors and called them Mujaheddin who plundered and raped the Kashmiris.
Its just a ploy from all pakistani governments to divert public views from internal problems of the country. Instead of thinking of Kasmir, they should try to build a strong Pakistan with a sound economy instead of depending on US and Saudi.
@sana-2 for once I agree fully with sana ~2 . No matter what India and Pakistan can never have friendly ties.
the sad fact is that even if kashmir is resolved we will find something else to complain about - bottom line its time to move on
The Kashmir question has been going on since the birth of the Nation. As we all know this dispute is on going and the root cause of instability between Pakistan and India. The politicians forget there is a bigger problem they have to solve, its the water situation in the country.
These appeals are nothing but gimmicks made to keep Pakistani public happy and mislead, nothing else. Most Pakistanis don't even understand the legal status of Kashmir and they have no clue about the details of the history, the dispute as well as the UN resolutions. That is why they keep wondering why the world does not listen to them. It is not my intention or job to educate them, they have to do it themselves.
is our country's existence based on "K" word? if that is the case, shame on us. Let us eradicate the arrogance and fanatical people build the pride for the country. We are all fighting for our personal existence but not the country.
Make India Pakistan Kashmir and Bangladesh into one nation. Give a new name. Then it can challenge any nation in this world.
Oh really ! Nobody cares about Kashmir in the world , so stop your rant and do something constructive to alleviate other more serious issues faced in your nation.
@Rohit you did not mention the other part of the UN resolution, which says people of Kashimir should be given the right of self determination :)
@Harsh Gupta becuase Kashmir is an unfinished agenda of partition
Instead of time wasted over years at UN US China OIC to solve a self created problem an introspection would have revealed that the problem is actually psychological and it is a myth that Kashmir is somehow a solution..And as far as various issues that create the psycholgical problems you should trust some of the sane voices
I was just reading the comments.... Funny the names are so similar, but the contents differ depending on side of the border you are in. That's the cause & effect between India & Pakistan. Too many emotions kill rationalism & we keep spinning around the subject. The more we spin the more confused we get & loose focus on progress of our two countries. Can we ever be little bit smarter & communicate maturely ??
What is new in Maleeha Lodhi's speech at the UN? All members of the UN have been hearing about the Kashmir issue for decades yet the UN has failed to act. Why waste time and efforts in the UN? Why not deal directly with India to resolve the Kashmir issue via bilateral dialogue? It is obvious that the international community led by the world powers is not interested in getting involved. We need innovative changes in our foreign policies to deal with the ever changing world scenario. Why are we stuck with old thinking which has not worked and why do we continue to rely on old fashioned "experts"?
issues of common man in both countries is not kashmir they are fighting for their survival and livelihood.
@sana-2 Absolutely correct. Tensions between India and Pakistan are not issue linked but linked to vested interests. The occasional interlocuters, the military, the overt/covert operators, all have heavy stakes in keeping the conflict alive. Neighbors will always have issues; they can be resolved, in the interest of mutual well-being, unless ulterior stakeholders keep the fires alight.
Keep talking of Kashmir but is any one listening?
@torchbearer Nice Comment. If we have CANCER we doesn't cut our organ but tend to remove the Cancer Tumor. Same applies here if Kashmir causing tension to Pakistan then please vacate it and hand over it to India.
India take Kashmir issue as non issue, Its Pakistan that always raise that issue every where every forum.If You follow Indian govt stance on Kashmir they avoid to use it, and If necessary to say something they say Kashmir is integral part of India.
The world powers and UN have not and will not care about Kashmir because it involve a peace of land becoming part of a Islamic country. Otherwise UN could have easily put sanctions on India long time ago for not abiding by its resolutions. Just look how quickly they moved on the issue of East Timor to get that territory out of Indonesia control. Pakistan is all for plebiscite, its India who backtracked on its promise. Pakistan must become strong enough both military and economically, so it can solve the Kashmir issue on its own.
What "Another Indian" wrote might be true. As because of the kashmir issue, India is terrorizing Pakistan.
But India is also poor and they have to spend so much on military because of Pakistan pressure on them. if the Kashmir Issue is resolved. Might be possibility of open borders and reducing militaries.
@SANA-2 and taimoor khan
I agree with you.
Shall we both countries not try to become neighbours like US and Canada.
@Taimoor Khan Matching with India economically & militarily almost impossible
It's a real fun watching and reading here. UN is something that Modi really taunts and scolds badly. It's a useless stooge of Americans.
@sana-2 I agree with you whole heartedly. There is a basic distrust that will never go ever.
@Imtiaz That is the core issue and not Kashmir..
Nobody else is telling it, is the main point.
Futile exercise.
@rehan
so you will not follow the UN condition expect us to conduct the plebiscite nevertheless?
Some outcome will come as this indian govt is an itchy customer to threats and ultimatem type of talk .
@Pak Citizen God is common and do not drag him into human created problems.
Nothing new on this comment. It was actually not targeted to India nor for UN. It was just for record sake so that Govt can say in future that they have not dump the Kashmir cause. Good joke.
The reason Pak highlighting the kashmir issue is to stop India getting permanent seat in security council. Not for the people of Kashmir.
Consider a family called India having two sons -Hindustan and Pakistan. They got separated due to their own stupidity and dirty tricks played by the British ,an envious neighbour. But they left a piece of bread in a hung state between the two. And then engaged both in waging wars against each other.Since then the younger one is asking for it through others. Friends just think of the most possible solution. Talk,UN,China,US,War,Terrorist,Development,Fight against terrorism and Poverty or Reunion (Optional). For the last 68 we have got nothing but hatred,enmity,jealousy and other disadvantages. What the rest of the world get if we live peacefully together. Think of next generation or we have examples of African countries,Syria,Iraq,Lebanon etc
@Indian you cannot even know what an indian is, far from imposturing one.. Bad try i should say
@Rohit you did not mention the other part of the UN resolution, which says people of Kashimir should be given the right of self determination :
Pakistan must forget Kashmir issue resolved
@sana-2 ............. so whats that where India/ burma, India/ Maldive, Ind/ SL, Ind/Bd, Ind/Kashmir are on cross roads ? disputes, why and what for ? there's no Pak involved in all such combinations of India's atrocities with all neighboring countries ?. Its India's rather Hindu's mindset which is making them bicker here and there.... they are feeling some energy to rule all nations in sight, no matter how, just they want to rule.
@papuni : Agreed. Let Pakistan and China take the first step as per UN resolutions
Then pl solve it madam either giving it to India as a whole or declare as independent nation
@taimoor khan Are you, then, suggesting that India and Pakistan should become one country just like pre partition of 1947 for peaceful living ? That, most likely, will never be acceptable by either of the two countries .
@wise Nicely articulated.
Pakistanis pay all these guys just to talk same things decade after decade about Kashmir and that's it!! Why pay them to go to all kinds of places to repeat the same dialog. Just record once and email to the relevant organization and they will play it.
. It is better to have one big problem than hundreds of irritating ones. So let us continue like this. Our common enemies like poverty, ill health, illiteracy etc may flourish.
A compromise requires give and take. Pakistan should first hold a plebiscite under UN watch in Pak Kashmir. Practice what you preach.
@AHA .... Pakistan will never declare Kashmir as independent nation as their source of water is from Kashmir.
Before anyone calls me anti-Indian and anti- Pakistani, Like Mr. Nisar says 'its good to see in the mirror" and thats exactly what Mr. Nisar does , shows Indians and Pakistanis the mirror.
While the west is about progress and economic development, We are stuck in the same old issues of Kashmir, terrorism, thumping chests. I mean look at all the comments here, Indians keep harping about how great they are and Pakistanis about how important Kashmir is.
If Hasan Nisar was Pakistani PM and Javed Akhtar (movie writer) was Indian PM , only then would some sanity prevail . But both populations are too stupid to elect intellectuals to power .
PS: I am an Indian Hindu so please don't call me unpatriotic as all Indian Hindus do when a Indian Muslim says something intelligent. I chose Javed Akhtar not because he is Muslim ( he is a confirmed atheist) but because he is intelligent
@sana-2 Sana, presuming tensions will remain between India & Pakistan, they should not resolve old issues?
@Raza Raza you have to speak out where there is injustice, how do you expect Kashmiri to keep quite, sooner or later India will bow down to their wishes and will have to honor its pledge made in the UN, and give them the right of self-determination, there is no-way out my dear.
@Indian Dalit - lol..nobody in india would address himself as India Dalit.. you cracked me up.. get outta that indian skin my pakistani friend.. thats desperate..