Talk:Pine

Talk:Pine/Archive 14 Apr 2004

We need a disambiguation page between pine the tree and PINE the unix email client...

Some asian pines added. Tmesipt. 3.6.04.

Sorting the list(s)

I took a stab at sorting the list and it doesn't come out quite right and it's time for bed, but it looked like this:

• Bishop pine - P. muricata
• Great basin bristlecone pine - P. longaeva
• Rocky mountains bristlecone pine - P. aristata
• Coulter pine - P. coulteri
• Eastern white pine - P. strobus
• Gray pine, Foothill pine or Digger pine, P. sabineana
• Foxtail pine - P. balfouriana
• Jack pine - P. banksiana
• Jeffrey pine - P. jeffreyi
• Knobcone pine - P. attenuata
• Limber pine - P. flexilis
• Southwestern white pine - P. reflexa
• Loblolly pine - P. taeda
• Lodgepole pine - P. contorta
• Longleaf pine - P. palustris
• Monterey pine - P. radiata
• Colorado pinyon - P. edulis
• Parry pinyon - P. quadrifolia
• Single-leaf pinyon - P. monophylla
• Texas or Papershell pinyon - P. remota
• Pitch pine - P. rigida
• Pond pine - P. serotina
• Ponderosa pine - P. ponderosa, including P. washoensis
• Red pine - P. resinosa
• Sand pine - P. clausa
• Shortleaf pine - P. echinata
• Slash pine - P. elliottii
• Spruce pine - P. glabra
• Sugar pine - P. lambertiana
• Table Mountain pine - P. pungens
• Torrey pine - P. torreyana
• Virginia pine - P. virginiana
• Western white pine - P. monticola
• Whitebark pine - P. albicaulis

Many more species occur in Mexico south of the US border (some just into the US in Arizona & New Mexico), including:

• Apache pine - P. engelmannii
• Arizona pine - P. arizonica
• Chihuahua pine - P. leiophylla
• Chihuahua white pine - P. strobiformis
• Hartweg's pine - P. hartwegii
• Mexican white pine - P. ayacahuite
• Montezuma pine - P. montezumae
• Ocote pine - P. teocote
• Big-cone pinyon - P. maximartinezii
• Johann's pinyon - P. johannis
• Mexican pinyon - P. cembroides
• Nelson's pinyon - P. nelsonii
• Orizaba pinyon - P. orizabensis
• Potosí pinyon - P. culminicola
• Rzedowski's pine - P. rzedowskii
• Weeping pinyon - P. pinceana

Simple sort with a spreadsheet, but looks like I'd need to get a little fancier; presumably we'd want to do the sorting on the visible part, eh what?

Are there really a dozen kinds of piñons? (bark beetle got 'em all in much of New Mexico. Awwww ...)

;Bear 07:29, 2004 Apr 14 (UTC)

I agree that the list should be sorted by common name, not by species name. The vast majority of the visitors to this page are not experts --- they would browse a list with a common name in mind, not a species name. I would also fold the Pinyons into one major header, with no links (yet) to individual species that are Pinyons:

• Pinyon pines:
  • Big-cone pinyon - P. maximartinezii
  • Johann's pinyon - P. johannis
  • Nelson's pinyon - P. orizabensis
  • etc.

-- hike395 15:19, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Most other genera on Wikipedia are listed either alphabetically by Latin name (usually with the Latin name first), or else in taxonomic order. With several pines having more than one widely used common name, but only one Latin name, I reckon listing by Latin name is safer as well as fitting the Wiki standard better. When I get round to it (fairly soon I hope!), I'll be including a taxonomic order list at Pinus classification. - MPF 11:14, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I'm also embarking on changing all the conifer species pages, starting with pines, to caps (i.e. Loblolly Pine, rather than Loblolly pine), as per the recently established Wiki standard at Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life (see the talk pages there, or ask User:UtherSRG). - MPF 11:14, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Oh, and yes, 12 pinyons (plus seven more if you include other related species in subgenus Ducampopinus); 6 of them are Mexican endemics. Eventually, I'll get round to doing a page for each of them, with the current pinyon pine page as a group introduction. - MPF 11:14, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think we could find the space for not only the normal list by Latin name but also another list by common name, and that one can refer to the other. ;Bear 17:10, 2004 Apr 16 (UTC)

Good idea if it will fit easily; I'll try to work on it sometime, as two parallel columns (like e.g. the genus list at Ericaceae), but might be a tight fit for those with small computer screens? - it would look awful if long lines ran over and messed up the columns - MPF 20:45, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think the list is so long that it deserves its own page. Or rather, two pages, one for each sorting order. -- hike395

Trial for fit in two columns (using the species with the longest names) MPF 16:49, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Alphabetic by scientific name Pinus aristata Rocky Mountains Bristlecone Pine Pinus longaeva Great Basin Bristlecone Pine Pinus maximartinezii Big-cone Pinyon

Alphabetic by english name Big-cone Pinyon Pinus maximartinezii Great Basin Bristlecone Pine Pinus longaeva Rocky Mountains Bristlecone Pine Pinus aristata

Fits OK on my screen, provided there's no pics in the way. Not sure how it would look on a small 640 x 480 screen, though. MPF 16:57, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You don't like the separate page idea? -- hike395

Hi Hike - it is an option, but not one I'm hugely in favour of, I must admit. It means if you add something new, it has to be done on two pages. Discovered this the hard way - I'm rather regretting having created the pages live oak, white oaks and red oaks in addition to list of Quercus species. Adding Texas live oak had to be done on three pages! - MPF 20:17, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Oh, I see what you mean. I was assuming that the list was already exhaustive, but it sounds like it isn't. -- hike395

Yep, not yet complete; there's about half of the Mexican species I've not added yet, and the pinyons & bristlecone pines to link direct to their own individual pages (not written yet!) rather than group pages. Also, it never can be exhaustive, varieties may get raised to full species or vice-versa, and new species discovered (I know of one new pine recently found in Vietnam and not yet formally named & described**) - MPF 09:30, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

"about half of the Mexican species I've not added yet" - Done now - MPF 14:16, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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This is a great page. Lots of good work here. Question: is there a reason why the ToC is way down there? Is that someone's preference? Most articles try and force the ToC to the opening screen area as that is where it does the most good (personally, I do not even like the ToC, but I like it buried way down in the text even less). - Marshman 04:09, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I guess because no paragraph title was put in higher up . . it got gradually pushed down as I expanded the description. I'll add a header higher up sometime soon (I'd actually like to rejig the page a fair bit, so might do it at the same time). MPF 20:40, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

**Now, with some others, described and added to the list; refs.: R. Businsky (2004), A revision of the Asian Pinus subsection Strobus (Pinaceae), Willdenowia 34: 209-257; and R. Businsky (2003), A new hard pine (Pinus, Pinaceae) from Taiwan, Novon 13: 281-288. - MPF 00:38, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Height?

This article doesn't include the height of pine trees. This should be added. —Simetrical (talk) 00:57, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Very variable from species to species (3m to 80m). It is generally mentioned for each individual species. - MPF 23:15, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

i wanna know the development of pine and some other info

what's the growth rate / how long do they take to become a big tree / aging status/ death

also

• harmfui insects and treament

thaks!

Gametophyte vs. sporophyte

The phrases "male cone" and "female cone" make me cringe a bit...

Cones are part of the sporophyte. The sporophyte doesn't produce gametes and are strictly speaking incapable of having gender.

The pollen and ovules are gametophytes. They produce gametes; they have genders.

Maybe a minor point, but once you start referring to sporophytes as male and female it starts getting difficult to understand the life cycle properly. I'm also tempted to add reference to the scales of the cones as sporophylls and introduce the term "strobilus". Paalexan 00:56, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Point taken, but these are widely used terms. They are included in serious floristic works - when there's such marked differentiation between the organs producing them, I can't really see persuading people not to apply gender names to them. The same could be said of e.g. male and female flowers on some flowering plants (e.g. oaks, hollies); again, widely used terminology.

Yeah, but lots of people who write floristic works don't really know what they're talking about. :-) "Pollen cone" and "seed cone" seem like perfectly comprehensible & intuitive terms that describe things more accurately... Paalexan 02:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

On strobilus, this is already mentioned in the conifer cone article (a page I've been meaning to do more on for ages!), and would be better expanded on there, rather than on every conifer genus page - MPF 09:25, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Ah, OK, that makes sense. Paalexan 02:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Other species?

I found the following pine species in Ecology and Biogeography of Pinus that were not included in the article, and was wondering whether they are actually distinct species:

• Pinus dabeshenensis – Pinus armandii var. dabeshenensis
• Pinus donnell-smithii – synonym of Pinus hartwegii
• Pinus nubicola – synonym of Pinus apulcensis (a.k.a. P. oaxacana)

--Schzmo 23:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Idents to right - MPF 00:48, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I.D. this Tree

Does anyone know what kind of pine this tree is? It was taken in a park near Madison, WI. --71.117.38.45 01:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It is most likely a Red Pine (Pinus resinosa). The one in the foreground in the top right corner looks like Eastern White Pine (Pinus strobus). (Red Pine, Eastern White Pine, and Jack Pine are the only pines that grow naturally in Wisconsin). SCHZMO ✍ 11:32, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Fossil Record

one of the questions that most of the botanical pages bring up are the relations between the modern members of the family and the extinct members. How and where should this be adressed? For example I work at an Interpretive center in Washington state and we have 3 pinus species present in the fossil record here: P. macrophylla, P. tetrafolia, and P. latahensis how whould one relate them to this entry in Wikipedia? Kevmin

Bit of a tricky one - There are more named pine fossils (at least a couple hundred) than there are living pine species, and very few of them have been researched well enough to determine whether they are genuinely distinct, or the same as another earlier-named pine fossil. There is also a naming problem, "Pinus macrophylla" is an invalid name, as that name has already been used for another, extant pine back in 1839. So adding just three would be a bit out-of-place in the rest of the article. Maybe a new page on Pinaceae fossils could be started, but it'll be a big task to put together anything useful. Everything would need to be placed in the context of its dating (pine fossils cover a span of about 120 million years), and relationship, if any known, to other pine fossils and modern pines - MPF 01:22, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Name origins: German "Föhre"

The article was incorrect concerning the German equivalent of "Föhre":

• Föhre is used in all of Germany, not only in parts. Both names Kiefer and Föhre. Kiefer is the usual name, but Föhre is equally valid. Föhre is known to at least all people dealing with plants (forresters, gardeners, botanists). Föhre is the original name.
• The article was wrong in stating that the word Kiefer is unrelated. In fact it is related, but the relationship is not easy to see. It is derived from Kien-Föhre, named after the Kienspan that was made from the resin-rich wood. These Kienspäne (plural) were used as candles.

Kind regards, 213.39.216.41 20:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Images, species unknown

File:Pine tree branch.jpg

File:Pine tree closeup.jpg

I've taken a couple of pictures of a pine tree near where I work in Mercer Island, Washington. I'm having trouble identifying the species. If someone can help me figure out which type of pine it is, I'd be happy to add the images to that species' article. Any tips on photographing trees would also be appreciated. Thanks. -GTBacchus^(talk) 04:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

European Black Pine Pinus nigra. Tips on photos - top one is rather grainy and burnt out; not easy to get a good pic with such a bright sky behind. One of the menaces of getting good tree pics, I fear. - MPF 19:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

What type of Pine would eat up the most CO2?

Im trying to start a nation wide tree planting effort and I want to know what type of tree eats up the most CO2?

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Musical tribute to the pine

Add a link to Pines of Rome? AnonMoos (talk) 15:01, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

What about the German classic song "Oh Tannenbaum", which has also been released in other language versions?--VKing (talk) 18:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Reproduction?

How about something on reproduction? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SplendidConfusion (talk • contribs) 20:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Corrected image caption

I just thought I should justify the change. The image caption previously said "pine among larch and alder". The image seems to show only pine cones, I don't see any that look like larch cones, and certainly nothing that looks like alder catkins (the closest thing an alder has to cones). I can see why the mistake was made by looking at the German blurb that comes with the image, which if translated runs something like (according to Google translator with one missed translation "pine" supplemented):

District Cottbus: "offspring" of future forests - In the forest areas of the Republic is the seed production of pine, larch and alder in full swing. Among the oldest and most productive plantations cones to harvest the plant belongs in a circle Babben Finsterwalde. In the previous year, with a yield of 73 quintals of demand for genetically valuable seed in the entire state forestry farm Finsterwalde covered. For the GDR Afforestation in the year alone are 6,000 kilograms of pine seed needed. Forest Hlefer people and provide for 3 750 quintals cones ready. sixth of the revenue comes from plantations.

While the beginning of the blurb mentions the 3 species, later it focuses on pine. The blurb also not so much a description of the image, as the image seems to be meant as an illustration for the broader passage. --Ericjs (talk) 23:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

German is my first language and you are absolutely correct. Only the last two sentences are relevant for the image - they mention the need of pine seeds for reforestation and that one sixth of them is harvested from plantations. The rest is talking about seed production in general and in Finsterwalde. Good job :) Rror (talk) 23:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Expand construction use

At the moment, there is only a brief line on pine usage in furniture and interior building. There should be some elaboration on that. Juranas (talk) 19:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

is unique sap chemistry discussed anywhere?

These are all the hits from pubmed that mention pine and turpentine, but apparently the ecology is interesting and related to the turpene content of sap. I would also ask anyone to lobby the USDA and ARS to get an API for the national ag library to automate stuff like this, pubmed seems to be the leader here. btw, anyone have literature on lightning strikes on pine trees? The needles could be good lightnng rods ( I just bring this up due to a peraonsl story, no reason to believe any notability here LOL). Nerdseeksblonde (talk) 18:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

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Sugar Pine no longer Tallest species

Not sure why I deleted my comment before ... anyway, the Sugar Pine is no longer the world's tallest pine. 2 tree experts, Mario Vaden and Michael Taylor, discovered 4 Ponderosa Pines in January 2011, each one taller than the previous record holder that was a Sugar Pine. I'm not sure which reference would be appropriate. If you search online with keywords Ponderosa, tallest, record, etc., and maybe "news", I think you will find several articles. One article redistributed was called "Tallest of the Tall". Of the 4 new Pinus height records, the tallest was 268.35 feet tall. ThreeWikiteers (talk) 07:26, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Tightening up the page

If there is no objection, I'd like to tighten/tidy up the page a bit to get rid of some of the glaring white spaces. This may mean the removal of some of the pictures in order to do so. Isablidine 06:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Agree - There probably could be a few less images in this article. I've been looking at the current images, and I think most of them could be replaced with higher quality, more illustrative images. --BlueCanoe (talk) 06:38, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm working mostly on content now but go for it if you'd like to change the images. I noticed some beautiful images on pl:pinus (their article is incredible!) --Isablidine 15:50, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Replaced images, trying to illustrate the article with a wide range of species and locations. Mexico & Central America are under-represented geographically (not many images on Commons), and taxonomically the white pines, pinon pines, and mediterranean pines are under-represented, but it's an improvement. Hard to squeeze 100+ species into 7 images and still be completely representative. Here's a really nice photo of an old pinon pine that I didn't have room for. --BlueCanoe (talk) 21:24, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Whoa, such an improvement. Looks outstanding on the iPhone wikipedia app as well. And that image of the cembroides is enough to take your breath away. --Isablidine 03:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Changed article quality class from start to B --GreenPine (talk) 15 May 2011

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Archive

Is there an archive of page edits? I would like to see what the page looked like in the past. Daniel 66.57.84.138 (talk) 18:16, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

"deal wood"

Is deal wood from certain pine wood? 68.126.125.17 (talk) 00:13, 14 February 2014 (UTC)