After a long party room debate, the Liberal-National coalition decided that its MPs would not be given a conscience vote on a bill before the parliament permitting same-sex marriage. At the press conference after the party room meeting, the Prime Minister announced that “we could have a plebiscite or a constitutional referendum” on the issue.
But is there a need to go directly to the people?
The Difference Between A Plebiscite And A Referendum
A referendum is required when amendment is sought to the Australian Constitution. If a referendum is successful the change to the Constitution is ‘presented to the Governor-General for the Queen’s assent’, which means the change will be made.
A plebiscite, on the other hand, is where a question is put directly to the people and merely gives voters the opportunity to express their views on the question posed: it does not have any legal force and could be ignored by the Parliament.
Section 128 of the Constitution requires that for an amendment to be made to the Constitution, a majority of Australian voters must approve the change. There must also be a majority of voters in a majority of states – that is, a majority in at least four states.
There is no similar guidance as to what constitutes a successful plebiscite. Is it the same as for a referendum? Or should it just be an overall majority of voters?
The other key difference is that there is legislation regulating how a referendum must be held. For example, for a referendum material is distributed to voters outlining the arguments for and against the proposed constitutional amendment. There is no requirement that this same procedure is to be undertaken with a plebiscite.
History tells us that the ‘no’ vote has been very successful in referendums and plebiscites. Of the 44 proposed changes to the Constitution, only eight have been successful. The two national plebiscites – dealing with the issue of conscription in 1916 and 1917 – were also both unsuccessful. Going to the people does not guarantee change.
Does The Constitution Need To Be Amended To Permit Same-Sex Marriage?
It seems likely that the Commonwealth Parliament could legislate for same-sex marriage without the need for a referendum to amend the Constitution. Section 51(xxi) of the Constitution gives the Commonwealth Parliament the power to make laws with respect to ‘marriage’.
The Constitution does not define the scope of the Commonwealth’s power to legislate with respect to marriage. Instead, it is left to the High Court to interpret the meaning of the word ‘marriage’.
In 2013 the Court considered the meaning of ‘marriage’ within the Constitution in the context of determining the validity of the ACT’s Marriage Equality (Same Sex) Act 2013.
The case clarified the meaning of ‘marriage’ within the Constitution and confirmed that the power to legislate with regards to same-sex marriage rests with the Commonwealth parliament.
As constitutional law expert Professor Anne Twomey has noted, the decision provided the ‘legal passport’ for same sex marriage.
While there have been changes in the composition of the High Court since 2013, there does not appear to be any reason why a future High Court would deviate from the 2013 decision.
Consequently, there would seem to be no need for a referendum to amend the Constitution to provide expressly the Commonwealth Parliament with the power to legislate with respect to same-sex marriage. The High Court has already said that the Commonwealth Parliament has that power.
Why Do Some Politicians Want A Plebiscite?
The Liberal-National coalition’s current policy on marriage is to support the existing definition of marriage within the Marriage Act as "the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life".
The bills currently before the Commonwealth Parliament seek to amend that definition to remove the wording “a man and a woman” and define marriage as between “two people”.
In a democratic system of government it might be argued that on a matter such as this the will of the Parliament should reflect the will of the people. One way to test the views of the public is with a plebiscite.
A plebiscite might also allow a party to change its position without being seen to be ‘back-flipping’ on current policy, but rather shifting as a result of listening to the voice of people.
Yet a plebiscite would not guarantee same-sex marriage in Australia, even if a majority of voters supported same-sex marriage.
If members of parliament were to be given a ‘free vote’ after a plebiscite there is no guarantee they would necessarily vote along the lines of the majority of the public. Nor is there any guarantee that a plebiscite would affect the Coalition’s current policy, particularly if only a small majority of voters were in favour of same-sex marriage.
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Megpie71
Posted Thursday, August 13, 2015 - 16:33
(Mods, you have a comment spammer: Jhan15243. Might I suggest asking them whether they want to pay for advertising space, and spare us all the sight of Tony in his budgie-smugglers?)
I find it ridiculous that the current government is busy trying to wave the ideas of either a plebiscite or a referendum in front of the Australian people, when all that's really needed is to remove the 2004 amendment defining "Marriage" from the Marriage Act. After all, the Howard government didn't need a plebiscite or a referendum to add the definition in the first place (and they were supported by the social conservatives in the ALP all the way).
Let's be honest - a referendum conducted by an Abbott-led Liberal government about adding a definition of marriage into the constitution (which is what any referendum would effectively have to be) would be based around the notion of incorporating the existing definition from the Marriage Act - which means it would be pretty much guaranteed to be shot down in flames (rather like the Howard referendum on a Republic). This would be a referendum intended to fail by design. So we'd be looking at a lot of money wasted for no result.
Meanwhile a plebiscite is effectively an opinion poll carried out by the AEC, and has absolutely no binding effect on the government of the day anyway. It could be carried out to show overwhelming support for the notion of non-heterosexual marriage, and still not achieve anything.
(Incidentally, at least part of the problem with the current definition of Marriage as per the Marriage Act amendments of 2004 is this: by saying marriage has to be between a man and a woman, it excludes intersex, genderqueer and transsexual people from being able to marry, regardless of their sexuality - to the point where one of the necessary legal procedures required for transgender people to transition their identities here in Australia is annulling their marriage. Altering the definition to being "between two people" allows a lot more people to become married than simply homosexual people.)
bladeofgrass
Posted Thursday, August 13, 2015 - 18:16
Recent Galaxy poll findings: “Of the 65% of Australians who did understand that we are forced to choose between children's rights and homosexual adults' claims, it is encouraging to see that the vast majority of them give priority to the child:48% of Australians said it was more important that a child should have the right, where possible, to both a mum and a dad, while only 17% said it was more important that two men should have the right to marry and create a family.A full 36% of Australians felt “very strongly” that a child's rights should come first, while only 12% felt “very strongly” that the homosexual couple's rights should come first."
Bring on the plebiscite. For what it's worth, I will be voting "no".
Newtome
Posted Thursday, August 13, 2015 - 19:16
The question is whether the definition of marriage is all that needs be changed?
As all religious institutions who conduct marriages are also agents of the State they must abide by Australian law and will no doubt be legally challenged if they refuse to conduct a Gay marriage. This could lead to ALL religious institutions being forced to marry anyone who demands a marriage be conducted by them.
Don't believe me? It is already happening overseas in literally every country that has allowed Gay Marriage. Even the UK, who went to some effort to avoid this, is likely to fall foul of EU law which will likely force Chruches to conduct Gay marriages.
The only country that seems to have this right is France who conducts seperate civil and religious marriages. The government is responsible for civil unions (marriages) while religious institutions conduct a seperate religious marriage on the same day.
Gay marriage should not be an attack on religion as I am sure Islam will never allow a Gay Marriage to be held in any Mosque anywhere in the world, so let's get it right and move on, otherwise this will cause issues to fester for many years to come.
This user is a New Matilda supporter. paul walter
Posted Thursday, August 13, 2015 - 20:01
Perhaps we could have plebiscites on FTA's and foreign wars, while we are at it?
This user is a New Matilda supporter. Philip Greenwood
Posted Thursday, August 13, 2015 - 21:19
Yes, but....
The form of the question to be put in a referendum would be up to Tony Abbott.
With an eye to the tide of public opinion going in a direction he's unhappy with, he could ensure that the referendum question is worded in a way that would not just maintain the staus quo but also remove the existing ability of parliaments to make changes via the Marriage Act in the future.
All that would take is winning on a seemingly innocuous question about aligning the definition of marriage to conform with that enshrined in the Howard Govt's Marriage Act.
If such a change could be enshrined in the Constitution, Labor's promise of legislating "within the first 100 days" would be blocked. The only way to remove the block would be to hold another referendum!
This user is a New Matilda supporter. outrider
Posted Thursday, August 13, 2015 - 23:12
Plebiscites appeal to me because the people actually speak, not parliaments.The latter are full of members susceptible to lobbying by well organized vocal groups who might campaign against them in the next election. It is inconceivable that Parliament would not act on the result of a plebiscite on homosexual marriage.
Another issue on which a plebiscite should be held is the level of immigration. You could be asked to mark choices - zero net, lower, about right, higher.
Others are boat turnback, dual nationality, foreign ownership.
For the government to hold a plebiscite the proponents should have to present a petition signed by ? % of the voters.
Let us have true democracy, ancient Greek style.
xfretensis
Posted Friday, August 14, 2015 - 07:48
I agree fully on plebiscites. Not only for SSMarriage. As previously noted, representative government is seemingly directed by powerful lobbyists and disparate interest groups.
Bring on participatory government!!
A plebiscite is non-binding on government but is an indication of the 'pleb's' wishes on various issues and cuts across party diktats. This would act as a guide to government policy. Governments acting contrary to a plebiscite would then have to explain their decision in detail. (large measure of hope there) Failing to explain a contrary position could then trigger another plebiscite, this time a binding one.
One person, one vote. A real vote.
Slakewell
Posted Friday, August 14, 2015 - 12:32
A plebiscites can only be at best a waste of tax payers money. With Tony incharge the wording will be finely tuned to ensure a no vote. So we already know the out come. He may then use the results to further his ideogly and make much harder to and costlier to change it at a later date.
I hope it becomes a hot election issue and drives yet another nail into his demise.