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Peter Martin: housing bubble won't burst

Housing prices in Sydney and Melbourne will grow in the next year, then plateau. Peter Martin analyses a Fairfax survey of 25 top economists.

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The roaring east coast property market is not a bubble that will burst any time soon say Australia's leading economists; in fact, they predict Sydney and Melbourne could enjoy strong growth this coming year.

An exclusive Fairfax Media survey of 25 leading economic forecasters reveals most believe house prices have risen for fundamental economic reasons – not over-exuberance from investors.

Steve Keen is one of the few economists warning of a bubble.

Steve Keen is one of the few economists warning of a bubble. Photo: Demetrius Freeman

They predict, on average, prices will rise by another 10.4 per cent in Sydney this year, and 6.4 per cent in Melbourne. If correct the continued surge is a headache for the Reserve Bank of Australia and the government as they weigh how to stimulate an otherwise sagging economy.

The forecasters – leaders in market economics, academia, consultancy and industry economics – were asked by BusinessDay if they believed an Australian city was experiencing a housing bubble, and if that bubble would collapse.

The majority of them contradicted the opinion of Treasury Secretary John Fraser, who warned last month that Sydney's property market was showing "unequivocal" signs of a bubble, along with up-market parts of Melbourne.

Positive signs: Real estate is tipped to keep flying.

Positive signs: Real estate is tipped to keep flying. Photo: Rob Homer

But many still said they were concerned about the level of over-valuation, warning the situation could become problematic if the price momentum continues.

Economist Saul Eslake said further inflation of house prices is not doing any economic good and is actually doing social harm "by widening the gap between those who own one or more properties and those who don't", and by "locking out" an "increasing proportion of younger adults from home ownership."

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He said he does not use the word "bubble" because there is no widely agreed definition of it, and because it is so emotionally laden, but he "absolutely" agrees with RBA governor Glenn Stevens and Mr Fraser's characterisation of Sydney property values as "stretched".

The survey also found most economists predicted the year that will likely lead into a federal election will be characterised by drift with below trend economic growth punctuated by soft wage and export increases, anaemic investment and little lift in household spending.

The economists argued house prices are being driven higher by exceedingly low mortgage rates, a relatively low unemployment rate, strong population growth, high demand from foreign investors, poor public transportation, and the capital gains tax and negative gearing regime.

Some believed prices will only be driven sharply lower by a much higher unemployment rate (above 8 per cent) and an increase in interest rates.

Only third of economists – 7 out of 25 – believe there is a housing bubble in Sydney or parts of Melbourne.

They blamed historically-low interest rates, poor government policies, and expectations of ongoing real price gains from investors and home owners.

Stephen Anthony from Industry Super Australia; Nicki Hutley from Urbis Consulting; Tom Skladzien from the Australian Manufacturing Workers' Union; and Steve Keen from London's Kingston University were among those who warned of housing bubbles.

HSBC's chief economist Paul Bloxham did not use the word "bubble" but said Sydney's housing market had "an exuberance that is worrisome" and he sees a "high risk that Sydney will see price falls".

Shane Oliver, AMP Capital chief economist, says the term "bubble" is being overused in Australia and is distracting voters from the real issues of overvaluation and expensiveness, but he believes Sydney's property market "does look bubbly" with prices high relative to fundamentals and strong price gains "looking a bit self-perpetuating, where buyers are getting in partly on the assumption that recent strong gains will continue."

Sydney featured in most answers about housing problems, rather than Melbourne.

A number of participants said Sydney's house prices have simply been playing catch-up to other cities and rebounding after a sustained period of very flat prices.

"Relative to the national average, Sydney prices are only now back to their long-rum premium of 30 per cent," BetaShares' David Bassanese said.

"Unusually low interest rates have helped push the house price to income ratio above past peak levels, but mortgage affordability is still close to long-run average levels."

The Housing Industry Association's Shane Garrett said it is "no coincidence" that the strong dwelling price growth in Sydney over recent years followed a decade between 2002 and 2012 during which the city's dwelling price growth was the lowest of any of Australia's eight capital cities.

"Overall, the level of dwelling prices in Australia's cities is well within normal territory with respect to household earnings, rents and mortgage interest rates," he said.

Warren Hogan, ANZ chief economist, said he does not expect sustained strong house price growth in coming years, nor a collapse in prices either.

"There is a severe underlying shortage of housing in NSW, reflecting around 10 years where surging population growth and household formation has outpaced new housing construction to a ratio of 3:2," Mr Hogan said.

"This has created an underlying shortage of around 125,000 dwellings."

56 comments so far

  • In the conducted surveys were the so called "experts" asked if they have their own property portfolios and were happy to talk up property prices

    Average price near one million in Sydney
    Average salary more like $60000 not $75000 for men

    How does that picture look

    Great according to the vested interests

    Australia has become incredibly dishonest

    Commenter
    Greg
    Date and time
    Fri Jul 03 22:29:55 UTC 2015
    • Great comment Greg.

      It's all vested interest. Why is it pretty much every international economist says "MASSIVE BUBBLE?" but Australia's say buy buy buy? What's being done to Australia through this Ponzi scheme won't be apparent for a while, but we will never recover. Australia's prosperity has been destroyed in one unbelievably selfish generation.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Date and time
      Fri Jul 03 23:04:11 UTC 2015
    • Thanks Greg.

      Sydney is the home of vested interests. It began as a colony of vested interests and that has continued since.

      The winners prosper and the losers take the lash.

      Commenter
      Bluey
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      Fri Jul 03 23:20:37 UTC 2015
    • "Australia's prosperity has been destroyed in one unbelievably selfish generation."

      @JohnBB

      Fix up your grammar ;-)

      I think what you're trying to say should have used the word "by" in place of "in".

      From past posts of yours, I think you're blaming all of this on the BBs. Had you been following these articles in the SMH and other papers, you may have noticed that all generations are hopping into this latter day "Tulip" patch.

      The BBs are just part of the mob buying, most of the BBs are either own their own homes, are buying them or rent. And that's all they do have, the residence they are occupying.

      But keep on banging on about the BBs, I suspect most people check the author first, work out the biases based on past postings, then decide to read. Yours is rapidly becoming a "skip".

      Which is rather sad, because most people, if they skip their repeated hobby horses, have something interesting to say.

      Commenter
      DenisPC9
      Location
      New England Region
      Date and time
      Fri Jul 03 23:23:38 UTC 2015
    • The numbers are horrific, but 25 economists say housing will rise because, well, it just will.

      http://media.smh.com.au/video-business/video-businessday/peter-martin-housing-bubble-wont-burst-6660007.html

      This stuff is laughable. We've pumped the entire mining boom, the biggest personal debt in the world, $600b of government debt, mass asset sales that include 2.5 times the size of Victoria in prime farm land, and massive population growth (with zero infrastructure) into the housing Ponzi, destroying the rest of the economy and everything will be cool? I don't think so.

      The national income is collapsing, housing is not going to be okay.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Date and time
      Fri Jul 03 23:53:09 UTC 2015
    • It's all about supply and Sydney is squeezed in by national parks so supply is limited. I am constantly amazed Sydney can contain low-income type of suburbs as shown on TV documentaries such as SBS "housos" etc. If all the housos relocated to some place they could afford, for example Forbes or Parkes, the developers could move in. The housos actually originated from the smaller towns where they would have used to have done fruit picking etc, however, thanks to socialism they are now on benefits, and fruit pickers have to be imported.

      Commenter
      bg
      Date and time
      Sat Jul 04 00:53:12 UTC 2015
    • @DenisPC9. Yeah thanks for the grammatical lesson. You are obfuscating what I'm saying.

      In (the time frame) of one generation, voters and politicians have sacrificed all else to pump up their houses. The fact the poor soles buying now are also trying to do it is inconsequential. The boomers have the voting power and want to maintain their high prices. The further it goes, the more damage done and the less likely (or rather more impossible) prices will remain high. BTW, my posts are always interesting, and clearly you didn't look at the author and "skip".

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Date and time
      Sat Jul 04 00:53:30 UTC 2015
    • John Howard was the master illusionist, demonizing refugees while opening the floodgates to migrants. He was merely doing the bidding of big business, for whom MORE is always BETTER.
      Most migrants lobbed into Sydney, a city unable to handle the endless growth. They're still lobbing. Conveniently for John Howard, Mike Baird, Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott, they don't lob into the suburbs where most Tory politicians live.
      The discussion about Sydney's population has never been had. We just accept it, lemming-like. Why?

      Commenter
      Bob
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      Sat Jul 04 01:12:51 UTC 2015
    • The problem won't come with a drop in property prices, rather it will be a lack of returns - once property gains slow to less than 5%, shares will be a better place to park money. As older investors burn through their initial super stash, they will also want higher liquidity rather than locking everything up in a house. I don't understand why stronger control over negative gearing isn't possible - why not zone areas to prevent overheating and then adjust the percentage of what can be claimed by property investors?

      Commenter
      Gaz
      Date and time
      Sat Jul 04 01:58:57 UTC 2015
    • @Bob. We've tried, and they've got the most powerful tool yet. They've convinced everyone that talking about population growth is racist. A genius stroke everyone's scared of. Check mate.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Date and time
      Sat Jul 04 02:17:13 UTC 2015

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