Op’n Thr’d 6/26

- Congrats to all future married gay couples! (video loaded automatically for me)

– Even though I mostly agree with this fact-check about the rainbow flag crosswalks, how about just a little joy and whimsey is good enough?

– Even though it’s obviously based on bullshit, I suppose I support the GOP call for Roberts’ ouster, as long as Obama is still president.

– I’m looking forward to the First Hill Streetcar whenever it eventually gets going.

– Bristol Palin’s politics are awful, but her pregnancy really isn’t my business.

Comments

  1. 1

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    Marriage responds to the universal fear that a lonely person might call out only to find no one there.

    When did Justice Kennedy become acquainted with Teabagger?

  2. 2

    Ima Dunce spews:

    Bristol Palin really is the best person to push foolish abstinence only bullshit. I can’t wait to see who the father is.

  3. 3

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    Goldy @GoldyHA
    So, do we all get to pick and choose which SCOTUS decisions we “acquiesce to,” or just GOP presidential candidates? http://talkingpointsmemo.com/d.....n-marriage

    Well, there probably are some members of the African-American community who might not be so happy.

    In Part 2 of Scott Light’s exclusive interview with civil rights icon Dr. Joseph Lowery, we talked about the issue in the two ways he has to address it, as a civil rights leader and Methodist minister.

    “I’m befuddled by the homosexual community and their thing, but I believe in equal rights,” Lowery said. “If you believe in equal rights, you have to grant everybody equal rights.”

    “What if a gay couple came to you and said, ‘Pastor Lowery, would you marry us?'” Light asked.

    “Well, I’d had that experience and I didn’t marry them,” Lowery answered.

    Read more: http://www.cbs46.com/story/288.....z3eBRQ1pSP

    Unfortunate title here, because SCOTUS doesn’t pass laws any more than President Obama follows them, but I digress:

    Coalition of African-American Pastors Threaten Civil Disobedience If Supreme Court Passes Gay Marriage Law

    Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/n.....cQH68TY.99

    I wonder if Reverend Clementa Pinckney might have been among them. Not so long ago he apparently shared their views:

    Along with all but one state senator, Pinckney voted to ratify the state’s constitutional amendment in 2007 banning gay marriage.

    http://www.motherjones.com/pol.....ng-funeral

    More recently, or at least as many choose to remember him (same MJ link), he became a gay rights supporter. Sort of in that ‘The enemy of my enemy is my friend.’ way:

    “Sen. Pinckney would be among our troops,” she told me by phone from Columbia, where on Wednesday Pinckney’s open casket was placed on display at the statehouse with an official ceremony. Pinckney and the Black Caucus “had the same opponents in the legislature, and that made us form bonds.”

  4. 4

    czecehsaaz spews:

    Justice Kennedy kind of crushes it.

    But Marriage has meant one thing for millennia and who are we to change it?

    The history of marriage is one of both continuity and change. Changes, such as the decline of arranged marriages and the abandonment of the law of coverture, have worked deep transformations in the structure of marriage, affecting aspects of marriage once viewed as essential. These new insights have strengthened, not weakened, the institution. Changed understandings of marriage are characteristic of a Nation where new dimensions of freedom become apparent to new generations.

    It should be left up to the states! No one elected the courts!

    There may be an initial inclination to await further legislation, litigation, and debate, but referenda, legislative debates, and grassroots campaigns; studies and other writings; and extensive litigation in state and federal courts have led to an enhanced understanding of the issue. While the Constitution contemplates that democracy is the appropriate process for change, individuals who are harmed need not await legislative action before asserting a fundamental right.

    You’re oppressing us Chirstians and our religious freedom is at stake.

    Finally, it must be emphasized that religions, and those who adhere to religious doctrines, may continue to advocate with utmost, sincere conviction that, by divine precepts, same-sex marriage should not be condoned. The
    First Amendment ensures that religious organizations and
    persons are given proper protection as they seek to teach
    the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths, and to their own deep aspirations to continue the family structure they have long revered. The same is true of those who oppose same-sex marriage for other reasons. In turn, those who believe allowing same sex marriage is proper or indeed essential, whether as a matter of religious conviction or secular belief, may engage those who disagree with their view in an open and searching debate. The Constitution, however, does not permit the State to bar same-sex couples from marriage on the same terms as accorded to couples of the opposite sex.

    I’d say to anyone who finds the sky falling this morning to just get over it. You lost. But then people still fly the confederate flag so getting over it isn’t going to happen soon.

  5. 5

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    @ 4

    I’d say to anyone who finds the sky falling this morning to just get over it. You lost.

    Would you say that to those on the losing side of the Citizens United decision, cz?

    BTW congrats to all on today’s decision. Slippery slope aside, Fourteenth Amendment seemed to be pretty clear on the concept. Even Teabagger deserves not to end up alone.

    “Ireland, home of the free and the brave.”

  6. 6

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    Goldy @GoldyHA
    With SSM, never before has there been a SCOTUS decision so big in which the losing side lost so little.

    In which Goldy erases Brown v. Board of Education from United States history textbooks.

  7. 7

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @5 Leave it to Trickle to equate gay civil rights with allowing corporations to buy elections. My rabbit imagination couldn’t have dreamed up that one.

  8. 8

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    It has taken the Supreme Court 150 years to figure out that “equal” means “equal,” and discrimination isn’t equality. What took them so long? But better late than never.

  9. 11

    czechsaaz spews:

    RE: Rainbow Crosswalks and Jason Rantz

    I like that he called out Dori in his blog post.

    That would be Dori who regularly bleats that any kind of spending by any government that isn’t for something he holds dear is wasteful.

    People would love to live in, or drive in from Shoreline to a city that didn’t have a Sculpture Park or an Arboretum or a single mural or a playground. Having those things is a waste and they’re stealing your money to pay for it. I mean c’mon…do we really need a Football Stad…wait, Dori likes and gets paid for that one so shush.

  10. 13

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    Next can we get the city to put a rainbow crosswalk in front of an African-American church? Why should Capitol Hill have all the joy and whimsey?

  11. 14

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    Or we could at least be more helpful with our paint and use it for rainbow concentric circles around some of the larger potholes in the city…

  12. 15

    czechsaaz spews:

    @13 & 14

    Such bitterness.

    Spending on things I Travis think are worthy….GOOOOOD
    Spending on anthing else…..BAAAAAAAD

  13. 16

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    @ 7

    My rabbit imagination couldn’t have dreamed up that one.

    I don’t see why not. It was your imagination that applied ‘fleeing felon doctrine’ to a guy killed while bull-rushing a cop.

  14. 17

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    @ 15

    Not at all. I like rainbows as much as the next guy. There’s a pot of gold at the end.

  15. 18

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @14 Hey fuckface, if you don’t like rainbow crosswalks, don’t walk in ‘em. Nothing’s stopping you from walking down to the next block and using a regular crosswalk.

  16. 20

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    Rainbows could be painted in front of every Seattle establishment known to be owned by a conservative.

    Sort of a dog-whistle telling gays where not to go, and at the same time putting an obvious fuck-you at the doorstep of someone you don’t like.

    A twofer.

  17. 21

    Teabagger in Decline spews:

    Slippery slope aside?

    What’s the slippery slope that republicans will try to pass more freedom less legislation to counter?

    Long live Ireland – land of the Free and the Brave

  18. 23

    Ima Dunce spews:

    @10 Why cancel the wedding if she’s pregnant? Unless of course its another man’s baby.

  19. 24

    Steve spews:

    “Scalia: Gay marriage decision shows court is America’s ‘ruler'”

    Geez, and here I thought we were being ruled by global corporations thanks to the SCOTUS’s (and Scalia’s) Citizens United decision.

  20. 25

    Steve spews:

    Zombie (u)SP has a post up, but because it’s a Jim Miller post, a coward who will not allow comments, (u)SP still walks with the dead.

    “Westneat could have, instead, discussed the history of the Democratic Party, could have explained why it was the home of Jefferson Davis, Robert Byrd (Democrat, KKK), and now Al Sharpton, who in this area is — don’t laugh — usually referred to as a “civil rights leader”. But, for some reason, Westneat chose not to tell readers about that very interesting part of history.”

    Miller, like the trolls here, will never acknowledge the even more “interesting part of history” which followed, Nixon’s Southern Strategy and how the GOP became the party in which racists found a welcome mat. The Big Tent.

    Zombie (u)SP. An intolerant right-wing blog where, when comments are allowed, one will most certainly be banned for mentioning a certain waitress or simply disagreeing with a certain poster, and whose racist right-wing commenters relish calling our nation’s president a “nappy-headed bongo”.

    Similar to the GOP whom they support, Zombie (u)SP has never taken issue with the Republican racists who go there to post their racist screeds.

  21. 26

    LucasFoxx spews:

    Just found an old link to Blatherwatch.

    I’ve been trying to remember where I got tuned into HA from. When I got to Seattle I was looking for local radio blogs.
    Now that local radio has dried up everywhere, and there is very little that’s listenable or interesting in the News/Talk format, other than NPR, I guess those are gone. Radio was a lot of fun before consolidation. KBCS/91.3 has some good shows, but they are not convenient to my listening habits, and they have small RF footprint. I do love the Uncle Meghabhuti show on Friday nights. I like to crank up my guitar and jam with it. Sorry. I’m Blathering. Am I off topic?

  22. 27

    Teabagger in Decline spews:

    To the resident jackass Boob who calls himself educated. I thought the argument wasn’t about equal benefits.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141128717

    Get in line with your party. Be a good party boy. There is a salute that goes along with it, learn it….when you salute you are suppose to say “Hail Hitler”, or something like that.

  23. 30

    Teabagger in Decline spews:

    Republicans like to start wars, and piss on people. But when the people being pissed on eventually have enough and start to piss back on them, they start to cry that it is unfair.

  24. 32

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @23 The Palins canceled the wedding the same day Meyer’s prior marriage surfaced in the media. He apparently is divorced now, but had concealed that marriage, possibly because his ex-wife says marrying him was a “big mistake” and being his wife was a “nightmare.”

    http://handbill.us/?p=54698

  25. 34

    Teabagger in Decline spews:

    To the troll that I was educating the other night, here is where your party is in the wrong and why they are considered racists because of their denial.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/l.....ng-remarks

    They’d rather not be leaders and correct something if it needs to be corrected if it means insulting or talking down to their constituents.

    They’d prefer to have people like Bristol Palin teach everyone about abstinence

  26. 35

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @25 I’m sure Jim Miller can imagine the comments he’d get for his defense of the symbol of secession, slavery, and racism. If I thought like him, I wouldn’t allow reader comments either.

  27. 36

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I suppose Miller feels he has to play to the local redneck crowd or the WSRP may lose the 13 voters they still have.

  28. 37

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @27 The problem with Abbott’s edict is those state employees are acting in their official, not individual, capacities. Consequently, if a state employee denies a gay couple a marriage license, or refuses to recognize a gay marriage for purposes of administration of state laws, they’re acting on behalf of the state and not as individuals exercising personal religious liberties. That will put the state of Texas in violating of the Supreme Court decision. The next step will be for affected individuals to file suit against the state in federal court. A federal judge will then order state officials to comply with the decision. When (not if) they refuse, the judge then will order them to appear in court and show cause why they should not be held in contempt of a federal court order. If they still refuse, the judge can remand them to a federal custody institution.

  29. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @31 The voters who elected Obama weren’t hiring a gospel singer. That’s not his job function.

  30. 39

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday News Wrapup

    One of the prison escapees on the run in upstate New York has been killed in a police shootout after trying to carjack an RV camper.

    In Tunisia, an ISIS terrorist murdered 37 European tourists at a beach with an AK-47.

  31. 40

    Steve spews:

    Zombie (u)SP’s Jim Miller, speaking of Westneat writing about a Confederate commemorative park in our state, sez, “A tiny, private park that almost no one in the state had ever heard of, before he wrote that column.”

    I don’t read Westneat or the Times, so thanks, Jim Miller, you idiot, for informing me about the Confederacy commemorative park in our state which you apparently wish was still a dirty little wingnut secret.

  32. 41

    LucasFoxx spews:

    @38 Are you sure? I’m being told we elected him because he’s black; by people who think all black people are watermelon eating gospel singers.

  33. 42

    tensor spews:

    … Jim Miller, you idiot, for informing me about the Confederacy commemorative park in our state which you apparently wish was still a dirty little wingnut secret.

    A columnist in a local paper found a local angle on a national story, and informed his readers of surprising local history they probably didn’t already know. If cranky ol’ Jim hadn’t chased all of us commenting kids offa his lawn, I’d ask the self-appointed media critic what kind of stories he thinks a local columnist should write.

    Also, Jim’s crotchety bitterness seems to be worsening with age:

    But a journalist or politician who wants to find the right symbols to protest can always find them (or invent them) and Seattle Times columnist Danny Westneat showed that he was up to the job.

    Someone needs to inform Jim that Mr. Westneat could “find the right symbols to protest” (without having to invent them) because local right-wingers continue to maintain that racist symbol *one hundred and fifty years* after the treasonous cause it celebrates was finally defeated.

    Ironically, Jim himself mentioned, without seeming to notice (!), how this local racist symbol of treason has no real historical connection to Washington state:

    In Washington state, those journalists and politicians are at a disadvantage. Washington did not even become a state until 1889, well after the Civil War, and, even as part of a territory, played almost no part in the Civil War. There were never any black slaves here … Washington, like every state, has some citizens whose ancestors came from the Confederacy, they have never been much of a force here.

    No matter for how much longer (z)(un)SP staggers pointlessly along, its long-overdue death will occur long before any of the front-page posters there will ever have shown the least glimmer of self-awareness.

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