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GoCatch accuses Uber X of tax evasion

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Taxi wars: GoCatch vs Uber

The taxi wars continue and local player GoCatch points out the differences between it and its pushy cousin, UberX.

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The Australian Taxation Office is looking to clear up how GST applies to new ride sharing services like uberX by July, after numerous complaints from competitors who claim it is being allowed to flout the law with impunity.

Ned Moorfield the chief of taxi booking app GoCatch, has complained to the tax office alleging uberX is evading tax and has warned it will become a powerful monopoly if governments don't either crack down on it or legalise ride sharing.

The ATO told Fairfax Media on Friday, "participation in these new business models varies, and tax obligations and entitlements will reflect this".

The Australian Taxation Office will look into how GST applies to Uber.

The Australian Taxation Office will look into how GST applies to Uber. Photo: David Ramos

"The ATO is examining these business models to better understand the taxation consequences and will provide advice to the community about the goods and services tax liabilities and entitlements involved this financial year," a spokesman said. "This will assist members of the community to be aware and informed of their relevant taxation responsibilities."

Mr Moorfield said he had filed the complaint about a week ago because he claims it was clear from uberX receipts he had seen that they are not charging GST and no ABN number is quoted.

Uber should be deducting the GST before passing on the payment to the uberX drivers, Mr Moorfield argued. But he said it appears it is only employing people who don't have an ABN. In that case, he said it should be collecting the top marginal tax rate of 47.5 per cent from drivers.

GoCatch says that government inacation is creating the next big monopoly in point-to-point transport in Australia.

GoCatch says that government inacation is creating the next big monopoly in point-to-point transport in Australia. Photo: Graham Tidy

"We have reported them for tax evasion," Mr Moorfield said. "It is amazing to me that Uber is shirking its GST obligations."

Not paying GST is giving uberX drivers an immediate 10 per cent price advantage that competitors who complied with the law don't have, Mr Moorfield said. He said he cannot prove it yet, but it is a cheaper service so it is likely it is reducing GoCatch's customer growth.

Low income exemption

Uber has repeatedly said it "complies with the relevant tax in every territory it operates in". It said uberX drivers typically only work for 20 hours or less a week. This may mean they do not earn enough to be required to charge GST and therefore, pay GST. 

Some have pointed to a ruling made by the ATO in 2001, on motorised tricycles taking passengers. It said drivers of these do not have to collect GST from passengers. In part, this was based on their turnover being too low. But it also ruled that the vehicle did not fit the definition of a taxi service in the GST Act, which defines taxi travel as "transporting passengers by taxi or limousine for fares". 

However, it may not be strictly relevant. In the ruling it refers to the Macquarie Dictionary definition of taxi as: "a motor car for public hire, especially one fitted with a taximeter".

A spokeswoman for uber said it is talking to all tax authorities worldwide, including the ATO, to help them understand their business model and "how local tax law may or may not apply to our business and our partners. This includes how GST is applied in Australia." 

Mr Moorfield also argues that uber's strategy is to ignore the law, pay fines when they are levied and when taken to court employ delaying tactics so that by the time any penalties are imposed it has gained such a large and loyal customer base that it will have seen off competitors.

Treasurer Joe Hockey's comments this week at the Tax Institute's annual conference on the Gold Coast appeared to confirm his fears that governments are conceding defeat.

Mr Hockey reportedly told the conference a friend from the US using an uber car caused him to contemplate how they were going to enforce tax laws in future.

"Government is less powerful today in commerce and enterprise than it ever has been," Mr Hockey said.

'Government inaction'

"These guys are in breach of a law overseen by an agency that reports through to him – it amazes me," Mr Moorfield said. 

"The inaction from government is creating the next big monopoly in point-to-point transport in Australia. We're going to end up with another Cabcharge and it is going to be a big, ugly, aggressive culture American company."

Labor's shadow assistant treasurer Andrew Leigh also defended Uber. He said companies like uber and Airbnb wanted to come within current tax and regulatory laws. "They want to be part of the net, they believe they have a better product and they want to be part of the mainstream economy, not the black economy," he said.

Mr Moorfield called on the NSW Government and the Opposition in the lead up to the state election on the weekend to say whether they will legalise uberX or not.

Drivers have been fined in both NSW and Victoria, and the Victorian taxi watchdog is trying to ban the service.

But Mr Moorfield said Uber appears to have deep enough pockets to win the legal battle. If the law is ineffective, he said ride sharing should just be legalised and the expensive vehicle accreditation licence cut. That would allow GoCatch and others to compete with Uber.

"We have someone out there completely disregarding the law. If that's where the government thinks that things should head. Great, but do it quickly. We would certainly consider offering our own [equivalent]."

At its annual general meeting in November 2014, Cabcharge also accused uber of avoiding tax and wrote to the Prime Minister and state and territory leaders calling on them to ban it.

11 comments so far

  • This is utter nonsense. Uber is not employing drivers. Uber is just a smartphone application that facilitates contact between people who wish to engage in the legal and government-encouraged practice of ride sharing and car pooling.

    Uber has absolutely no obligation to engage in matters of taxation apart from possibly paying tax on its own income. Private arrangements between people who ride share and car pool are not subject to tax.

    The problem with people who complain about Uber is that they do not seem to understand that ride sharing and car pooling is able to be arranged by any means, whether it's by face-to-face means, phone, email, SMS or smartphone applications like Uber. It's all the same and it is not subject to tax because it is not a commercial arrangement.

    Uber drivers are just private people who are willing to ride share by arranging it via a smartphone application and the fact that this is far more effective that arranging the same thing by phone or by email is impinging on the lucrative taxi industry and that is why there is this campaign to wipe Uber out.

    The taxi industry and the government has to realise that if ride-sharing and car pooling has been encouraged for decades and is thus completely legal, then the method of arranging it is immaterial. Any Uber driver with an ounce of legal expertise who is prosecuted under the Transport Act could trounce the government and taxi industry in court.

    Commenter
    Ziggy
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    Thu Mar 26 21:10:41 UTC 2015
    • After having lived in Seattle for more than a year, and using Uber, I can understand why the taxi industry is worried. It is well organised, cheap and seems at least as safe as using taxis. I hope Melbourne has the service soon, though I doubt the vested interests will allow that in the near future.

      Commenter
      Uber fan
      Date and time
      Thu Mar 26 22:15:42 UTC 2015
      • so what happens insurance wise for an Uber driver (and more importantly the passengers)?.. that's my biggest concern

        Commenter
        grant
        Location
        melbourne
        Date and time
        Thu Mar 26 22:49:07 UTC 2015
        • Uber has their own insurance policy to cover this.

          Commenter
          Michael
          Location
          Brisbane
          Date and time
          Sat Mar 28 09:22:44 UTC 2015
      • Mr Moorfield should get better tax advice. ABN withholding is not required as the payment is not a payment made in the course or further of an enterprise of the payer (i.e. customer).

        Commenter
        Joe
        Location
        Somewhere
        Date and time
        Thu Mar 26 23:08:46 UTC 2015
        • Ok so i create web app and i can do what ever i like regardless of local laws. We have laws that require taxi drivers to be licensed and taxi plates to protect income to make it worthwhile.
          So now the precedence is set , how about uber expand to accountants, lawyers, doctors, plumbers , electricians. All of whom have similar restrictions to be operate, but with an uber app, no problems!
          As uber i get the revenue and sit in another country, the local worker runs any risks, hmm sounds like other illegal operations to me.
          Time we get serious on enforcing our laws and stopped being dazzled by the wonders of the web.

          Commenter
          Terry
          Location
          Melb
          Date and time
          Fri Mar 27 22:37:29 UTC 2015
          • Whether or not Uber are deliberately avoiding tax, it's users are NOT choosing Uber simply because of reduced cost. In fact, a lot of Uber users believe (incorrectly) that Uber is slightly more expensive than a cab.

            I've been driving the odd Uber trip for a few months now and I often ask people the reason they use us.

            Invariably it's because of reliability, friendliness and safety. NOT price.

            Riders like that fact that Uber cars always arrive.... and you get a guarantee of that... unlike taxi booking services which have proved so unreliable.

            Female passengers often (sadly very very often) report having uncomfortable experiences...even assaults from taxi drivers.. especially late at night when they're drunk. They feel safer with us because the ride that the drivers are tracked and they feel they have a recourse.

            Parents book Uber for their kids... knowing they can trace exactly where the trip has gone.

            Overwhelmingly, people comment on the quality of the cars... the friendliness of the riders... our ability to understand where they want to get to and get them their without fuss.

            I understand other services using tax and insurance and every other cunning scheme to try and shut us down, but if they really wanted to impact Uber the only way is to improve their customer service... and on that score they have a long, long way to go!

            Commenter
            Oz
            Location
            Melbourne
            Date and time
            Sat Mar 28 02:21:00 UTC 2015
            • GST isn't to be deducted from the exisiting cost anyway. It's paid in addition. It means fares should be 10% higher.

              Commenter
              Tax expert
              Date and time
              Sat Mar 28 09:32:06 UTC 2015
              • Grant said, "So what happens insurance wise for an Uber driver (and more importantly the passengers)?.. that's my biggest concern.

                It's the same as if you organised a car pool to take your neighbours on your way to work. There are no insurance issues there.

                You have to understand that Uber is not a commercial taxi service. It's just an application that allows people to organise car pooling and ride sharing, an activity that is not only perfectly legal, but has been encouraged by state governments for decades.

                There is no difference between you organising ride sharing by phone and organising it by a smartphone application. You wouldn't be prosecuted for organising ride sharing by phone and your passengers throwing in money to cover your costs and even giving you a gift. So what's the difference between that and doing it via Uber? The answer - no difference at all.

                As I said in a previous posting, a good lawyer or a savvy Uber driver could make mincemeat out of any prosecutor in court. Hell, Exhibit 1 would be the government's own advertisements asking people to ride share.

                The taxi industry had no issues with car pooling for many years, but when Uber made it easier to organise and threatened their lucrative monopoly, the taxi industry leaned on the government to try and close Uber down.

                Well the government can't get away with that sort of hypocrisy. If the practice of ride sharing was encouraged and was always legal, that's the situation today. It's just that technology has evolved to make the arrangement of ride sharing easier, but that is no reason for the government to suddenly say that it's bad, when it's been so good all these years.

                Commenter
                Ziggy
                Location
                Sydney
                Date and time
                Sat Mar 28 09:39:48 UTC 2015
                • Oh Ziggy, you would make a great lawyer.

                  Call it "ride sharing", but if it looks like a taxi cab, feels like it, prices itself on it, it must be a transport business of some type or another.

                  Ride sharing is me giving my workmates a lift and he is sharing the cost of the petrol with me. FYI, Über X prices are more or less the price of a cab.

                  So let's stop beating around the (legal) bush, Über is a hire car business taking market share from established providers charging the same without the ongoing costs. Whether they provide a better or more reliable service is of no consequence, they are operating against the law and are undermining a level playing field.

                  Commenter
                  Rainer the cabbie
                  Location
                  Uber it
                  Date and time
                  Sat Mar 28 10:54:15 UTC 2015

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