Heart of Seventh-day Adventism: 1844 Probation Including Satan As A Final Sin Bearer for Adventists
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- Updated: 13 Sep 2014
See our playlist, "Dealing with Seventh-day Adventism & Their "Prophetess"" with 19 videos at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5316CC6F66F24283.
Larry Wessels, director of Christian Answers of Austin, Texas/ Christian Debater (YouTube Channel CANSWERSTV at https://www.youtube.com/user/CAnswersTV/featured; websites: http://www.BibleQuery.org, http://www.HistoryCart.com, & http://www.MuslimHope.com, email: cdebater@aol.com) is joined in studio by former Seventh Day Adventist pastor Dale Ratzlaff (email: dale@ratzlaf.com) who is the author of several books including, "The Cultic Doctrine of Seventh-Day Adventists."
Mrs. White vs. The Bible
Mrs. White and the Adventist pioneers developed a unique doctrine that is described as the "Investigative Judgment." This doctrine teaches that Christ began investigating and judging His people in 1844.
Ellen White: Every name is examined, starting with Adam…
The Great Controversy [1888 edition], p. 483
BIBLE: God already knows who are His own
"I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep…" John 10:14
"The Lord knoweth them that are His" 2 Tim. 2:19
According to the Bible, God already knows who are His sheep. He does not need 155 years to determine who is saved and who is lost.
Ellen White: Every individual MUST, who believes in God, pass the Investigative Judgment.
"How important, then, that every mind contemplate often the solemn scene when the Judgment shall sit and the books shall be opened, when, with Daniel, EVERY INDIVIDUAL MUST STAND IN HIS LOT, at the end of the days." The Great Controversy [1888 edition], p. 483
BIBLE: Believers in Christ do not enter into judgment
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life." John 5:24
Ellen White: Our sins are NOT BLOTTED OUT until AFTER the investigative judgment
BUT HIS SINS ARE NOT BLOTTED OUT UNTIL AFTER THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT." The Signs of the Times, May 16, 1895
BIBLE: Our sins are blotted out when we repent
"I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee." Isaiah 44:22
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord." Acts 3:19
"…and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." 1 John 1:7
Ellen White: By 1850, Jesus' work was "almost finished"
"I then saw Brother Edson that he must gird on the whole armor and stand in readiness to go, for a journey was before him, and that souls needed help and that JESUS' WORK WAS ALMOST FINISHED IN THE SANCTUARY..." (1850) Manuscript Releases Vol. 6, p. 250
BIBLE: The Atonement was finished on the Cross
Jesus said, "It is finished." John 19:30
But this man [Jesus], after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Heb. 10:12-14
The Bible teaches that Christ's atonement on the cross has perfected (past tense) His children. Christians are not made perfect during the Investigative Judgment period.
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom. 8:1
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. Rom. 5:9
Examples of people who bypassed the Investigative Judgment:
Biblical Examples
Mrs. White said "all" must pass through the investigative judgment to determine whether or not they will be saved (GC 1888, p. 483). The Bible clearly shows that the cases of many people have already been decided prior to the Investigative Judgment:
The Thief on the cross: Jesus declared to the thief on the cross, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." (Luke 22:43).
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: The Bible says Abraham was justified (accounted righteous) by faith (Rom. 4:2-5). Nearly 1800 years before the Investigative Judgment supposedly began Jesus declared:
And I say unto you, that many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. Matt. 8:11
Moses: The Scriptures clearly states that Moses sinned, died and is now in heaven (Jude 9). If everyone's sins are NOT blotted out until AFTER the investigative judgment, how could Moses enter heaven? The Bible clearly states that no sinner will enter heaven (Rev. 21:27). Moses' sins must have been blotted out prior to 1844!
Elijah: There is no mention of an Investigative Judgment when Ellen White relates how Elijah was taken directly to the throne of heaven (Desire of Ages, p. 301).
Despite his rejection of the Sabbath light, Mrs. White indicates Miller will be saved - Early Writings, p. 258.
John 8:32
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See our playlist, "Dealing with Seventh-day Adventism & Their "Prophetess"" with 19 videos at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5316CC6F66F24283.
Larry Wessels, director of Christian Answers of Austin, Texas/ Christian Debater (YouTube Channel CANSWERSTV at https://www.youtube.com/user/CAnswersTV/featured; websites: http://www.BibleQuery.org, http://www.HistoryCart.com, & http://www.MuslimHope.com, email: cdebater@aol.com) is joined in studio by former Seventh Day Adventist pastor Dale Ratzlaff (email: dale@ratzlaf.com) who is the author of several books including, "The Cultic Doctrine of Seventh-Day Adventists."
Mrs. White vs. The Bible
Mrs. White and the Adventist pioneers developed a unique doctrine that is described as the "Investigative Judgment." This doctrine teaches that Christ began investigating and judging His people in 1844.
Ellen White: Every name is examined, starting with Adam…
The Great Controversy [1888 edition], p. 483
BIBLE: God already knows who are His own
"I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep…" John 10:14
"The Lord knoweth them that are His" 2 Tim. 2:19
According to the Bible, God already knows who are His sheep. He does not need 155 years to determine who is saved and who is lost.
Ellen White: Every individual MUST, who believes in God, pass the Investigative Judgment.
"How important, then, that every mind contemplate often the solemn scene when the Judgment shall sit and the books shall be opened, when, with Daniel, EVERY INDIVIDUAL MUST STAND IN HIS LOT, at the end of the days." The Great Controversy [1888 edition], p. 483
BIBLE: Believers in Christ do not enter into judgment
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life." John 5:24
Ellen White: Our sins are NOT BLOTTED OUT until AFTER the investigative judgment
BUT HIS SINS ARE NOT BLOTTED OUT UNTIL AFTER THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT." The Signs of the Times, May 16, 1895
BIBLE: Our sins are blotted out when we repent
"I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee." Isaiah 44:22
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord." Acts 3:19
"…and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." 1 John 1:7
Ellen White: By 1850, Jesus' work was "almost finished"
"I then saw Brother Edson that he must gird on the whole armor and stand in readiness to go, for a journey was before him, and that souls needed help and that JESUS' WORK WAS ALMOST FINISHED IN THE SANCTUARY..." (1850) Manuscript Releases Vol. 6, p. 250
BIBLE: The Atonement was finished on the Cross
Jesus said, "It is finished." John 19:30
But this man [Jesus], after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Heb. 10:12-14
The Bible teaches that Christ's atonement on the cross has perfected (past tense) His children. Christians are not made perfect during the Investigative Judgment period.
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom. 8:1
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. Rom. 5:9
Examples of people who bypassed the Investigative Judgment:
Biblical Examples
Mrs. White said "all" must pass through the investigative judgment to determine whether or not they will be saved (GC 1888, p. 483). The Bible clearly shows that the cases of many people have already been decided prior to the Investigative Judgment:
The Thief on the cross: Jesus declared to the thief on the cross, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." (Luke 22:43).
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: The Bible says Abraham was justified (accounted righteous) by faith (Rom. 4:2-5). Nearly 1800 years before the Investigative Judgment supposedly began Jesus declared:
And I say unto you, that many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. Matt. 8:11
Moses: The Scriptures clearly states that Moses sinned, died and is now in heaven (Jude 9). If everyone's sins are NOT blotted out until AFTER the investigative judgment, how could Moses enter heaven? The Bible clearly states that no sinner will enter heaven (Rev. 21:27). Moses' sins must have been blotted out prior to 1844!
Elijah: There is no mention of an Investigative Judgment when Ellen White relates how Elijah was taken directly to the throne of heaven (Desire of Ages, p. 301).
Despite his rejection of the Sabbath light, Mrs. White indicates Miller will be saved - Early Writings, p. 258.
John 8:32
- published: 13 Sep 2014
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