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Patrick Commins, Jens Meyer

Shares enjoy their fifth straight day of gains, led by the banks, while Transfield rebuffs a takeover offer and Medibank releases its IPO prospectus.

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The Australian sharemarket has extended last week's rally, led up by the big banks as investors search for value following the recent sharp dive in stocks.

The benchmark S&P/ASX 200 added 47.68 points, or 0.9 per cent, to 5319.4. The broader All Ordinaries gained 47.23 points, or 0.9 per cent, to 5307.3.

Across the Asia-Pacific region, markets were up after a recovery on Wall Street on Friday where robust US economic data lifted investors spirits.

Japan's Nikkei Index rallied nearly 4 per cent on Monday, posting its largest one-day gain since June 2013. Media reports suggested that Japan's $US1.2 trillion government retirement fund will increase its allocation target for shares to 25 per cent from 12 per cent.

The bounce back on the Australian market was broad-based, with financials leading the way.

Commonwealth Bank of Australia lifted 0.9 per cent to $77.26, while Australia and New Zealand Banking Group jumped 1.6 per cent to $32.45. Westpac Banking Corp rose 1.4 per cent to $33.57 and National Australia Bank pushed 0.9 per cent higher to $33.44.

After the ASX 200 narrowly avoided a correction earlier this month, it was no surprise that the market bounced back a bit, Perpetual head of equities research Matt Sherwood said.

"The market was ripe for a correction anyway given the massive run up we had and we haven't had a correction in over 800 days – that's unusually long," Mr Sherwood said.

Despite amplified volatility over the past month, concerns about global growth. at least in the US, had been overstated.

"[The US doesn't] have indicators of an economy that requires zero interest rates. In the end, I still think that the Fed will move rates higher in the September quarter next year," Mr Sherwood said.

JBWere executive director Mike Kendall agreed the correction was not unexpected and now investors were returning to the market looking for value.

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And here are today's winners and losers in a session when there were many more in the former category - three quarters of the top 200, to be exact.

Transfield Services surged on news it had received - and rejected - a takeover offer. Ten jumped on reports the struggling broadcaster had engaged in preliminary merger talks with Fairfax.

Best and worst performing stocks in the ASX 200 today.

Best and worst performing stocks in the ASX 200 today.

Falling real incomes in Australia and global growth concerns are undermining corporate and consumer confidence and put at risk the government's fiscal objectives, a conference heard on Monday.

A panel of experts told delegates to the Commonwealth Bank of Australia's annual Australasian Conference that the economy had been slow to recover from the end of the mining infrastructure boom and lacked any clear drivers of future growth, aside from bigger volumes of resource exports and housing construction.

Sluggish domestic consumption and investments meant the export sector would have to do more of the heavy lifting if Australia was to sustain current growth rates of around 3 per cent.

However, weaker commodity prices and oversupply meant exporters would have to ramp up volumes to maintain income, which could put further downward pressure on prices.

This would further undermine the country's terms of trade, while weak consumer spending would undermine company profits. The two combined meant lower government revenue.

The high Australian dollar was partly to blame for the sluggish transition to non-mining growth, delegates heard.

However, a downbeat assessment of consumer demand and global trading conditions was also dissuading the private sector from investing, according to the CBA's director of equity strategy Tim Rocks.

"If you sit through a company presentation, or a company strategy day, these days, it's all about cost-cutting and not about how you capture the growth outlook," said Mr Rocks.

"So, we actually tallied up and found that about half the listed companies that we cover are in the middle of aggressive cost-cutting campaigns.

"This isn't about getting rid of chocolate biscuits from the kitchen; this is really fundamentally changing their business to try and lower the cost structure," he said.

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With growth hard to come by, many Australian companies are making cost cuts that go well beyond the chocolate biscuits in the kitchen, says CBA's Tim Rocks

With growth hard to come by, many Australian companies are making cost cuts that go well beyond the chocolate biscuits in the kitchen, says CBA's Tim Rocks Photo: Natalie Boog

Shares have made it five straight days of gains, with the big banks leading the way.

The ASX 200 added 48 points, or 0.9 per cent, to 5319.4, while the All Ords advanced 47 points to 5307.3.

Most of day's profits were made in the opening session following a strong finish to last week on Wall St.

Westpac was the biggest single contributor, as it jumped 1.4 per cent, while ANZ chimed in with a 1.6 per cent gain and CBA and NAB advanced 0.9 per cent. Macquarie jumped 1.6 per cent.

BHP added 1.3 per cent, and Telstra a more subued 0.4 per cent.

Gold miners lagged, with Newcrest falling 0.9 per cent.

The pay packet of Medibank Private boss George Savvides will more than triple overnight on November 25.

The managing director of the government-owned Medibank, Mr Savvides will be catapulted from one of Australia's highest paid public servants, on $1.2 million, to a total pay package of $3.99 million, under a contract which runs until July 2017.

Governance experts said Mr Savvides' pay packet was in line with other top 50 to 100 ASX companies but questioned the payment of a $750,000 bonus, simply for successfully completing the float.

"It's a kicker for getting the IPO [initial public offering] away but most people would argue that is part of his job," Ulysses Chioatto, former executive director at Institutional Shareholder Services, said.

A 58-year old trained industrial engineer, Mr Savvides will retain his current $1.2 million salary but also be eligible for a $840,000 annual bonus, in addition to the $750,000 IPO bonus, if the listed insurer achieves a forecast $250 million profit.

A former chief executive of Sigma Pharmaceuticals, Mr Savvides will also be granted performance rights worth $1.2 million in the company, as part of a $3 million pool of performance rights granted to the executive team.

Martin Lawrence, director of ­government advisory firm Ownership Matters, said while Mr Savvides' job title remained the same, he and his executive team would bear more responsibility and face greater scrutiny.

"It is going to be much more challenging, because they're going to have to deal with a lot more shareholders," he said.

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Australia’s looming legions of elderly need to accept they will work longer, RBA assistant governor Christopher Kent said, signaling support for a government plan to raise retirement to the highest in the world.

“What we need to do is look forward into our futures as best we can” and make adjustments, Kent, assistant governor responsible for economic forecasts, said in response to questions after a speech in Adelaide today. One important change “is to work longer into life if that’s what you need and are able to do.”

The ratio of working-age Australians to those over 65 is expected to decline to 3:1 by 2050 from 5:1 in 2010. In Japan, it’s already below 3:1 and in Germany it’s close to that level, the International Labor Organization says. Treasurer Joe Hockey wants to raise Australia’s retirement age to 70 to prevent a gray time bomb caused by the growing army of pensioners draining state coffers.

Under the government’s plan, Australians born in 1966 or after will have to work until they are 70, from 65 now, before they can draw their government retirement allowance.

Challenges to the economy from aging include relatively fewer workers, more demand for services, pressure on public spending and potentially insufficient savings to fund retirement as the average lifespan increases, Kent said in his speech to the Leading Age Services Australia National Congress.

There are also opportunities as people enjoy healthier lives, are able to work longer, save more and still enjoy more years in retirement, he said.

A longer working life also gives people the opportunity to take risks in a venture like a business, and in the unfortunate event it failed they could make up for it financially.

Read more at Bloomberg.

Reserve Bank Assistant Governor Christopher Kent

Reserve Bank Assistant Governor Christopher Kent Photo: Sean Davey

Here's what's most likely to determine the path of global markets until the end of the year, according to Deutsche Bank:

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Japanese shares are soaring, pushing the the Nikkei up 3.5 per cent, boosted by media reports the country’s $US1.2 trillion retirement fund will increase its allocation target for shares to about 25 per cent from 12 per cent.

The Government Pension Investment Fund will also lift its holdings of foreign bonds and stocks to about a combined 30 per cent from 23 per cent, while reducing domestic notes to the 40 per cent level from 60 per cent, the Nikkei newspaper has reported.

Investors are awaiting any word from the GPIF on its new allocations after a government-picked panel advised it to reduce bonds to boost returns. Takatoshi Ito, a member of the panel, said his personal recommendation is to increase the target for Japanese and foreign stocks to about 25 per cent each and cut notes to around 35 per cent.

The fund can adjust its share allocation to six percentage points higher or lower than the target, meaning that after the change it will be able to hold about 30 per cent at most in domestic equities, the Nikkei reported.

Ito said that the GPIF would be “stupid” to announce its new investment strategy before adjusting asset allocations. Publishing targeted weightings in advance would move markets, forcing the fund to buy at highs and sell at lows, he said in an interview last week.

The fund’s asset review could come as late as December, as GPIF officials, members of its investment committee and the health ministry have different views on the best timing and approach, Ito said.

After bringing you some relatively upbeat views on the banks from Deutsche Bank and UBS this morning – ahead of bank earnings season at the end of the month – here’s a more cautious one courtesy of analysts at CIMB.

For the major banks reporting (ANZ, Westpac and NAB), the broker’s team estimate total cash earnings per share fell 6.6 per cent over the second half of their 2014 financial years against the previous corresponding period. They expect dividends per share to have grown 6.2 per cent against the prior period.

Key areas of focus in the earnings announcements will include: the outlook for mortgage competition; corporate loan spreads; and capital commentary, they write.

“We have an underweight stance on the sector as we believe yield stability is no longer enough to offset increased regulatory risk, low growth and lower sustainable returns.”

“In our view, the Australian bank sector remains overvalued despite its recent correction. We estimate that the sector trades 15 per cent above intrinsic fair value on a [price/net-tangible-assets] and [price/earnings] basis.

“We think higher capital targets will lower structural returns and constrain growth. Yield-based buying from offshore should offer less support as the Australian dollar falls.”

Their order of preference: ANZ (Add), NAB (add), Westpac (hold), and CBA (reduce). That “reflects ANZ and NAB’s relative valuation discounts and greater scope to use asset sales to boost capital in response to higher target ratios,” they say.

Coming to a headline near you: Aussie deflation fears, writes BusinessDay columnist Michael Pascoe:

This wouldn't help the government sell its proposal to index age pension increases to the CPI: one bank's economics team is tipping Wednesday's consumer price index will show no increase at all in the September quarter.

That's definitely a minority opinion, a rather lonely outlier in the Bloomberg survey of 26 economists.

But coming from NAB, it's a possibility that deserves to be considered seriously.

With zero movement for the September quarter, the CPI would have increased by just 1.9 per cent of the year. The median forecast in the Bloomberg survey is for growth of 0.4 per cent for the quarter and 2.3 per cent for the 12 months.

Factors arguing for a low (or no) CPI score include lower petrol, fruit and veg prices, plus the impact of scrapping the carbon tax – if anyone noticed that.

NAB will look like geniuses if proven correct, but it's a brave call straying so far from the pack.

On the other hand, TD Securities runs its own monthly inflation count, trying to copy the Australian Bureau of Statistics, and is tipping the median 0.4 per cent for the quarter.

Outside the small world of economist's boasting rights, NAB being right would result in plenty of headlines about inflation being so low, the lowest it's been in five years.

Cue stories about deflationary fears and the Reserve Bank needing to cut interest rates. Someone might even mistakenly mention that it's the RBA's job to keep inflation in the 2 to 3 per cent band.

But annual CPI growth of 1.9 per cent wouldn't really matter much to the RBA – our central bankers trim off the wilder swings of the CPI to get a core figure and they look through one-off factors such as imposing or removing the occasional tax.

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The upward trend for Australian inflation over the past two years will begin reversing with Wednesday’s Q3 CPI, says NAB.

The upward trend for Australian inflation over the past two years will begin reversing with Wednesday’s Q3 CPI, says NAB.

Bowser prices went up last week, despite world oil prices plunging to multi-year lows.

According to the Australian Institute of Petroleum, the national average Australian price of unleaded petrol rose by 5.2 cents a litre to 149.0 cents a litre in the week to October 19, CommSec says.

Meanwhile, the key Singapore gasoline price has hit a 27-month low of $US100.40 a barrel, down almost 9 per cent in the past three weeks. And the national average wholesale (terminal gate) unleaded petrol price stands at 132.9 c/l, a 17-month low and down 5.2 cents over the past week.

So why haven't prices at the bowser come down too?

CommSec reckons the discrepancy has to do with the discounting cycle in many capital cities, and that the global situation points to cheaper fuel prices ahead.

‘‘The real driver of last week’s lift in the national prices has been the turning point in the discounting cycle,’’ CommSec economist Savanth Sebastian notes. ‘‘After an unusually long discounting cycle, pump prices in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane lifted by 10-15 cents over the past week and inflated the national average price.’’

He adds:

  • Motorists certainly have no reason to complain at present. Not only are pump prices likely to fall further than the recent 15-month lows, but the discounting cycle has been more prolonged in recent times.
  • The world is well supplied with oil and cheaper fuel prices should leave households with additional savings in the household budget.
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Where local stock picking legend John Sevior is invested now. Source: Smart Investor

Where local stock picking legend John Sevior is invested now. Source: Smart Investor

The crew at Smart Investor have put together a great interactive graphic profiling six hotshot fund managers and where they are investing now.

The names include global stars such as Warren Buffett and Bill Gates's investments advisor, Michael Larson, as well as local luiminaries such as John Sevior and Hamish Douglass.

Sevior's top five holdings are IAG, Caltex, Dick Smith, Flight Centre and Henderson Group.

Click here to check them all out.

And here's our poll on the Medibank float - will you invest?

Poll: The Medibank prospectus is out, flagging a share price of between $1.55 and $2. Will you invest?

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Hold your horses if you're thinking about the Medibank Private float, SMH Money columnist David Potts writes:

There's no rush because it doesn't officially close until November 14 and governments never pull the plug early on privatisations. It looks somehow unseemly.

By waiting you'll also have a better idea of how much the shares are going to cost. And better still, where the market is going.

The government has set an "indicative price range" of $1.55 to $2 although it's admitted it won't go any higher, at least for mum and dad investors. Trouble is it isn't offering a carrot to them either unless the final price does go over $2.

Otherwise there's no discount, unlike previous privatisations. And the only benefit for policyholders is they can buy more shares if they want to. Gee, thanks.

Using the suggested price range the dividend yield is 3.5 to 4.5 per cent, or 5 to 6.4 per cent after the 30 per cent franking credit.

Remember the true price won't be revealed until a week after you've posted your cheque.

With what we have, though, Medibank is priced about 17 times its earnings. This compares with, say, a bank stock of about 13 times, with a bigger dividend to boot, so it's not cheap.

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Not cheap: Medibank Private

Not cheap: Medibank Private

Over the past weekend, China's central bank committed a 200 billion renminbi liquidity injection into five or six listed banks to keep liquidity ample and support the slowing Chinese economy, according to local media.

The injection follows signs that Chinese investors are beginning to bet that the People's Bank of China (PBOC) is going to reduce the official deposit rate, now fixed at 3 per cent.

And it came after a 500 billion-yuan injection the PBOC made into China's top banks last month via its standard lending facility (SLF) in the form of three-month loans.

The effect of SLF is similar to cutting the reserve requirement ratio (RRR), but the tenor is much shorter (normally less than 3 months),  says ANZ chief China economist Liu Li-Gang

  • While the SLF leaves the central bank with some policy flexibility when it matures, we believe that the impact is much smaller than a permanent RRR cut.
  • The new SLF injection, plus lowering of 14-day repo rates last week, suggests that the PBoC has eased monetary further in order to arrest economic slowdown.
  • The timing of the liquidity injection ahead of China's Q3 GDP data release tomorrow morning could mean a lower-than-expected Q3 GDP growth.
  • In our view, the monetary policy actions taken as far have not delivered the expected results. The cost of funds facing enterprises has remained elevated. Rising credit risks and non-performing loans have intensified risk aversion among Chinese commercial banks. Overall, we believe the SLF will only have limited impact in boosting growth in Q4.

 

At this stage, the markets expect that China's economy will grow 7.2 per cent year-on-year (ANZ: 7.1%), the slowest pace in six years.

Monetary policy actions by China's central bank haven't delivered the desired results, ANZ says.

Monetary policy actions by China's central bank haven't delivered the desired results, ANZ says. Photo: Reuters

Markets across the region are rallying, after Wall Street roared back to life on Friday, with Japan leading the way:

  • Japan (Nikkei): +3.4%
  • Hong Kong: +0.65%
  • Shanghai: +0.3%
  • Taiwan: +1.5%
  • Korea: +1.5%
  • ASX200: +0.9%
  • Singapore: +0.7%
  • New Zealand: +1%

 

Japanese traders say investors are scooping up recently battered stocks after the Nikkei tumbled 5 per cent last week hit by concerns about global growth and the stronger yen.

"Selling in some of the stocks was overdone. Investors are buying them on the dips," a trader at a Japanese brokerage said. But some analysts still stay cautious against negative catalysts which battered the market earlier this month.

"With Halloween just around the corner, the market was spooked by 'ghosts' and these ghosts will probably stick around longer," said Hiroyuki Nakai, chief strategist at Tokai Tokyo Research Centre. "The ghosts are European economic concerns, worries on what could happen after the Fed ends tapering, and fears about Ebola."

Nakai said that these fears still linger in the market, and the rebound may be short-lived.

The collapse in iron ore prices may have further to run as global supply increases and steel-demand growth slows, according to Moody’s, which said it may reduce ratings on producers.

About 300 million metric tonnes of new and expanded supply will come on stream over the next few years, analysts say in a report. Global steel-production growth in 2014 remains muted with China, the key driver of consumption, continuing to slow, Moody’s said.

Iron ore tumbled 40 per cent this year after companies including Rio Tinto, BHP Billiton and Vale raised low-cost output in Australia and Brazil, spurring a global glut. The market is in the midst of a transition without precedent in recent commodity history as supply surges and some higher-cost mines are displaced, according to Macquarie.

‘‘Iron ore prices have collapsed,’’ Moody’s said in the report. ‘‘With slowing global steel- production growth rates, iron ore prices remain vulnerable to the downside and we expect continued volatility.

‘‘Downward rating actions for iron ore producers could result as Moody’s reassesses the impact of a protracted pricing weakness,’’ it said.

Beijing: The Australian Federal Police are poised to seize assets of corrupt Chinese officials within weeks, in an unprecedented joint operation with its Chinese counterparts.

In an exclusive interview with Fairfax Media, Commander Bruce Hill, the manager of the AFP's operations in Asia, has confirmed Australia has agreed to assist China in the extradition and seizure of assets of corrupt officials who have fled to Australia with illicit funds running into the hundreds of millions of dollars.

The joint operation will make their first forfeiture of assets within weeks, having agreed on a priority list of alleged economic fugitives who have taken residence in Australia – identified by Beijing as one of the most popular outlets for corrupt Chinese money.

Among the suspects identified by the AFP are naturalised Australian citizens and permanent residents who for years have laundered money under the guise of being genuine investment or business migrants from China.

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China is seeking Australia's help in arresting citizens on corruption charges - but questions remain.

China is seeking Australia's help in arresting citizens on corruption charges - but questions remain. Photo: Bloomberg

It has taken more than a decade but NSW has re-emerged as Australia's strongest state economy.

NSW leads the nation's economic pack having edged out the minerals-rich Western Australia, which has held the number one spot for the past three years, a quarterly review of the states by Australia's biggest bank has found.

The key factor in NSW's economic resurgence has been the strength of the housing sector. New dwelling commencements in NSW were more than 36 per cent above the decade average, said the "State of the States" report by the Commonwealth Bank's stockbroking arm, CommSec.

More than 52,000 dwellings were approved in NSW in the 12 months to July, the highest level since May 2000.

It is the first time NSW has been in the top spot since CommSec started its state rankings in 2008. The last time NSW was the nation's clear economic leader was in the early 2000s following the Sydney Olympics.

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Rates have been at 2.5 per cent for a year now, and the song from the RBA is likely to remain the same in tomorrow’s release of policy meeting minutes: “On present indications, the most prudent course is likely to be a period of stability in interest rates.”

Of the 27 economists surveyed by Bloomberg, 26 expect rate hikes next year. But bond markets are pricing in the chance of the opposite (see chart).

And in the wake of this week’s turmoil economist, Guy Bruten at Alliance Bernstein lists four circumstances (aside from GFC II) that may prompt the RBA to cut, rather than, hike rates next year:

  1. Angst around the commodities downturn would have to rise further. Bruten gives this scenario a tick – recent falls in the iron ore price are driving down long-term forecasts “with the obvious consequences for capital spending, government revenue and so forth”.
  2. There will need to be an awareness that housing construction will soon start to lose momentum, says Bruten, pointing out that leading indicators such as housing finance and building approvals are now levelling out. “Come mid-2015, the lion’s share of the upswing will be done."
  3. The “key barometer” to the previous scenario is the labour market. The employment trend is central to gauging the transition from mining-led growth dynamic to a non-mining one. Too early to tell on this one, “but it is difficult to argue that we’re on the cusp of a major improvement,” writes Bruten.
  4. Finally – is there enough inflation to justify an easing? Third quarter CPI out on Wednesday will likely be “on the low side” – allowing “plenty of headroom for a rate cut”.

“So at this stage, two out of the four factors look like getting a tick," sums up Bruten. "While an easing is by no means a base-case scenario, its probability is rising. And given the surprise that this would represent to consensus expectations, developments in those other two factors are worth watching closely.”

Market pricing of a rate move in the coming 12 months - a negative number implies the chance of a rate cut.

Market pricing of a rate move in the coming 12 months - a negative number implies the chance of a rate cut.

On Friday, some of the country's most successful entrepreneurs and rich-list families backed an equity raising of taxi booking and payments app goCatch in the race to "break apart" the country's powerful $5.4 billion taxi industry.

Some of the backers of the business include billionaire family the Kahlbetzers, the Millner family, fund manager David Paradice, Malcolm Turnbull's son, Alex, and Square Peg, a technology venture capital firm backed by James Packer, Seek co-founder Paul Bassat and the billionaire Liberman family.

In a confidential presentation, goCatch's goal was simple: to capture a "dominant share" of the taxi market. It was a shot across the bow to incumbents. The company told investors: "goCatch is breaking apart the Cabcharge network model and redefining how the industry works."

It is big talk for a company that is still a minnow, valued at $19 million, compared with Cabcharge's market capitalisation of almost $600 million.

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goCatch founders Andrew Campbell and Ned Moorfield.

goCatch founders Andrew Campbell and Ned Moorfield. Photo: Rob Homer

Deutsche Bank says concerns around higher capital requirements for banks resulting from David Murray’s Financial Services Inquiry have been dramatically overplayed and equity raisings are unlikely.

Analyst James Freeman said a large increase in capital requirements would be difficult to justify and an uptick of around $5 billion to $10 billion for the sector over three to four years looked more realistic.

“This level of capital increase can be easily met through organic capital generation and will not require equity raises, nor will it impact ROE (return on equity) estimates,” Mr Freeman said in a research note to clients.

“As such with the stocks already discounting the risk of material equity raisings, we believe that the sector looks attractive at this point.”

Meanwhile, UBS analysts are "warming" to the banks, after being among the most vocally negative in the past on the sector, and expect "a strong" reporting season, which begins October 30 with NAB, followed by ANZ the next day and Westpac Nov 3.

"Revenue should be the highlight," they write, expecting an aggregate increase of around 5.8 per cent, "the strongest since the post-GFC bounce".

"Net interest income is the driver, with solid balance sheet growth and modest [net interest margin] compression."

They are also sanguine on the risks to the Big Four from the Murray Inquiry, saying "the likely impacts are quantifiable".

"Following the correction we are less concerned with valuations provided lead indicators for asset quality remain benign," they write.

"The Australian banks do not look cheap. However, unless the economic situation deteriorates, we think the case for a material underweight stance in the banks now appears harder to justify."

Australia's richest person Gina Rinehart will not relinquish her 10 per cent stake in struggling free-to-air broadcaster, Ten, despite planning to step down from the company's board.

It is understood that Rinehart, who is Ten's second biggest shareholder, is pulling back her non-mining investments as she focuses her energies on completing the construction of her $US10 billion ($11.43 billion) Roy Hill iron ore project. The mine in Western Australia's iron-rich Pilbara region is scheduled to start exporting in September 2015.

Rinehart's partners and colleagues insist that the project is profitable despite the iron ore price tumbling 40 per cent to $US80.82 a tonne since the start of this year.

Fairfax Media understands that Rinehart is still interested in her Ten investment and that her intention to stand down from the board is merely a practicality. Rinehart has relied on alternates – John Klepec and fellow Ten director Jack Cowin - to attend all 11 board meetings for the broadcaster in the financial year just ended.

It is believed that Rinehart will nominate Klepec, who is Hancock prospecting's chief development officer, to be her permanent representative on Ten's board at the network's upcoming annual meeting.

The network's shares have dived more than 83 per cent to 21 cents since Mrs Rinehart acquired her stake in November 2010. They're up 3.7 per cent to 21.25 cents today, extending last week's rally.

Gina Rinehart plans to step down from the Ten board to focus on the Roy Hill iron ore project.

Gina Rinehart plans to step down from the Ten board to focus on the Roy Hill iron ore project. Photo: Bohdan Warchomij

Expect Aussie volatility to continue this week ahead of a big week for domestic and Chinese economic news, says OZForex chief currency strategist Jim Vrondas:

  • Three RBA officials are due to speak - Assistant Governor Christopher Kent (has spoken today on aging population), Deputy Governor Philip Lowe and Governor Glenn Stevens) in addition to monetary policy minutes (tomorrow)  and inflation data (Wednesday).
  • It's no coincidence that Glenn Stevens goes last as he may need to clarify any comments made earlier in the week should the market react in an unexpected manner (or too aggressively)
  • AUD/USD has been trapped between 0.8650 and 89 cents, it's sitting in the middle of it now but if Stevens and company err on the dovish side then we could test 0.8650 again this week
  • On the domestic data front we're expecting both headline and trimmed mean CPI to soften also weighing on the AUD
  • China's GDP (out tomorrow) is expected to show further decline to 7.2% or possibly lower, we also have Industrial Production with a rebound from 6.9% to 7.2% forecast.   Thursday's flash manufacturing PMI could also increase some volatility
  • This week is likely to see some downward revision to the People's Bank of China's growth targets as well. Markets have priced in 7% growth at the bottom end.They could set a range target instead of one number. If they do and the bottom of the range is in the 6% area then this would also weigh on the Aussie dollar

 

The government will reap up to $5.5 billion from the sale of Medibank Private when it lists on November 25, the health insurer's prospectus has shown.

The document, which was lodged with the corporate regulator this morning, showed that the shares would be priced between $1.55 and $2.00.

The indicative share price range suggests a market capitalisation of between $4.3 billion and $5.5 billion, which would place Medibank as one of the market's top 100 companies.

The valuation suggests a price to earnings ratio of between 16.5 to 21.3 times.

Medibank shareholders will receive a fully franked dividend for the seven months to June 30, 2015 of 4.9¢ a share, according to forecasts contained in the prospectus. That implies a 2015 financial year dividend yield of between 4.2 and 5.4 per cent.

Medibank provided a final sweetener to the Coalition by delivering a dividend worth $238.8 million. The dividend included a $42 million final payout for the 2014 financial year and a $196.8 million special dividend.

Finance Minister Mathias Cormann said the initial public offering would include a price cap of $2 a share for retail investors, even if the final price is set above the indicative range. The cap will apply to the first $250,000 allocated to individual applicants under the retail offer.

Medibank's financial performance for the year ended June 30 is also revealed officially for the first time, despite the numbers having found their way across the desks of institutional investors in pre-marketing research in the past weeks.

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Shares is Ausdrill have been crunched upon its return to trading, dropping 10.9 per cent to 77.5c after lowering its earnings guidance for the financial year and flagging potential impairment charges in a tough environment for mining servcies..

In an announcement to the ASX, the contract drilling rig provider said that it was revising its 2014/15 financial year earnings forecasts "in light of the group’s results for the first quarter to September 2014 and prevailing market conditions".

The company said it now expects to report EBITDA for FY15 of between $150 million and $160 million, before the effects of impairment charges, on revenues of approximately $840 million.

By way of comparison, Ausdrill reported operating EBITDA of $173.7 million on revenue of $826.3 million for the financial year ended 30 June 2014

The company also said that "as a result of the expected underperformance" in this financial year that it "will be required to test its business units for impairment".

"This will be carried out as soon as practicable. A further update will be provided in relation to impairment at the appropriate time and, until this work is completed, no estimate is available on the likely impairment provision."

The company added that "the business remains and expects to remain in full compliance with its debt covenants".

Managing director Ron Sayers said: “The company remains in a stable financial position. We certainly do not consider that our forecast result is acceptable, even in these challenging times, and every member of our team is working hard to achieve the returns necessary for a company of our size. 

“In addition, the deleveraging plans we are pursuing will ensure that the group will be well placed to benefit from any upturn and opportunities that arise in the mining industry.”

Shares in Transfield Services have jumped as much as 29 per cent after the company said it had received an indicative offer from Spain's Ferrovial valuing it at around $1 billion.

Shares in Transfield hit a high of $1.94 and last traded up 26 per cent at $1.89, compared to the $1.95 per share approach that Transfield said undervalued the company.

Here's more on the offer

Health insurer Medibank Private is seeking to raise between $4.3 billion to $5.5 billion in its IPO.

Medibank plans to sell up to 2.75 billion shares in a range of $1.55 to $2.00, the company said in its prospectus, lodged with authorities this morning.

Analysts had expected the IPO for 100 percent of Australia's biggest health insurer to raise between $4.1 billion and $5.7 billion.

Medibank Private is expected to start trading on Nov. 25

Here's the official announcement.

The government has announced a planned IPO price range for Medibank Private of $1.55 to $2.00

The government has announced a planned IPO price range for Medibank Private of $1.55 to $2.00 Photo: Glenn Hunt

Steel and mining group Arrium reported record iron ore shipments for the September quarter, but a collapse in iron ore prices and market sentiment hammered the group’s margin per tonne of ore.

Arrium said on Monday that it shipped 3.45 million tonnes of iron ore from its Whyalla port in South Australia, up almost 300,000 tonnes on the prior quarter.

But total sales were down slightly at 3.29 million tonnes and Arrium’s average realised price plunged $US12 a tonne to $US73 a tonne.

“Market sentiment during the quarter was impacted by changes in the balance between iron ore supply and demand, which significantly raised the level of uncertainty over the outlook for iron ore prices, including the extent and timing of recovery,” the company said.

Last month, Arrium launched a shock $754 million equity raising to pay down debt as iron prices crashed to five-year lows and sentiment deteriorated.

The company said it cut its average total cash cost per tonne to $68.40 dollars for the three months to 30 September, down from $73 dollars a tonne.

In Australian dollar terms, the total cost per tonne at $68.40 a tonne and total realised price of $78 a tonne ($US73) underscores the pressure the price collapse is putting on the company.

Arrium, formerly known as OneSteel, said it is focused on cutting costs and improving efficiency in its supply chain.

The company’s mining consumables business is steady but Arrium is grappling with the weakness in iron ore while its steel business remains under pressure.

The Anti-Dumping Commission is investigating claims by Arrium that steel exporters are dumping steel rebar products in Australia at basement prices and injuring the nation’s steel industry.

Arrium shares are 3 per cent higher at 34.5c.

Arrium shipped a record amount of iron ore - but was forced to cut prices.

Arrium shipped a record amount of iron ore - but was forced to cut prices. Photo: Reuters

Shares have surged higher at the open in a broad-based rally, with heavy hitters in the banking and mining sector driving the market.

The ASX 200 is 68 points, or 1.3 per cent, higher at 5339.4, while the All Ords is 66 points up at 5326.1.

The big banks are sharply higher: Westpac is up 1.7 per cent, ANZ 1.9 per cent, CBA 1.2 per cent and NAB 1.8 per cent.

BHP is 1.4 per cent higher, while Rio has gained 0.6 per cent. Telstra and the supermarket owners are also up.

Ten Network is up 4.9 per cent on reports Fairfax held merger talks with the struggling broadcaster.

Only 10 stocks are trading lower in early trade, including Iluka, down 1.3 per cent amid talk of a takeover of a smaller miner.

Speculators added bullish gold bets for the first time in nine weeks as concern that global economic growth is slowing whipsawed equity markets.

The gain in the net-long position in New York gold futures and options snapped the longest run of reductions since 2010. Prices rose for a second week as global equities retreated to an eight-month low.

More than $US3.2 trillion ($3.65 trillion) was wiped from the value of world shares this month as the International Monetary Fund cut its outlook for global growth in 2015. Federal Reserve policy makers identified slowing foreign economies as a risk to the US, spurring the fastest purchases of gold held through exchange- traded products since July.

"In the last couple of weeks, it has become a lot clearer that when money is flowing out of all asset classes, it does not seem to be flowing out of the gold market," said Eric Zoldan, a New York-based certified investment management analyst with JHS Capital Advisors, which oversees about $US4 billion. "As the news flow continues to come out that the global economy and demand for things is deteriorating, it leads investors back to the asset class of gold."

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Investors are betting on higher gold prices amid concern about the strength of the global economy.

Investors are betting on higher gold prices amid concern about the strength of the global economy. Photo: Eddie Jim

In other corporate news, Sydney’s wealthy Salteri family has sold contractor Tenix to Downer EDI for $300 million, according to an announcement sent to employees on Monday.

Tenix chairman Paul Salteri said: “The decision to sell the business to Downer Group has been difficult for shareholders, as we believed the business is well positioned in its markets to take advantage of exciting growth opportunities. Our decision to change from our strategy to raise external capital funding via either an equity sell-down or IPO was a difficult one but ultimately in the best interests of the company and the employees”.

“Downer Group is a leading Australia player in the engineering and services sector, and it is my understanding in discussions with their CEO that they will be looking to Tenix as a strategic growth platform into the power, gas & water sectors. Accordingly this will create exciting opportunities for all Tenix staff,” he added.

Downer chief Grant Fenn said Tenix fitted Downer’s strategy of acquisitions that “are strategic, grow our capabilities and the right price”.

“Tenix is a leader in the electricity, gas and water sectors in Australia and New Zealand. There is little overlap between the two companies and Tenix will be foundation for a new core utilities business for Downer.”

The deal will be funded through a $300 million committed bank debt facility.

Downer says its on balance sheet gearing is projected to be 10 per cent at June 30, 2015 as a result of the deal.

Mr Fenn said the deal would be earnings accretive in the first year.

The board of contractor Transfield Services has advised shareholders to take no action in response to a cash takeover bid of $999 million for the company from Spanish infrastructure firm Ferrovial Servicios.

Ferrovial Servicios has offered $1.95 for each share, the company said in a statement this morning.

“The Board of Transfield Services has considered Ferrovial’s proposal with the Company’s advisers and has formed the view that the price of $1.95 per share does not reflect the underlying value of Transfield Services shares,” chairman Diane Smith-Gander said.

Transfield said it is willing to give Ferrovial “limited due dligence on a non-exclusive basis”.

“"Transfield Services will advise shareholders of the outcome of the discussions with Ferrovial as soon as practicable. The process may take some time and there can be no certainty that an acceptable proposal will eventuate.”

Shareholders will also be given a financial update at the company’s November 5 annual general meeting.

The company’s shares closed at $1.50 on Friday, giving it a market capitalisation of $769 million.

Transfield Holdings, a privately held company owned by the contractor’s founding family, last month sold its 11.3 percent stake in Transfield Services for more than $90 million.

Cliffs Natural Resources, the largest US iron-ore producer, has warned it expects to take a writedown of about $US6 billion on its seaborne iron ore and metallurgical coal assets after commodity prices slumped.

The after-tax non-cash impairment will be taken for the third quarter, the Cleveland-based company said. The move doesn’t affect cash flows, and its domestic iron-ore business is more stable, Cliffs said. The shares fell 8 per cent to $US8.74 on Friday in New York.

Iron-ore prices have dropped by more than 40 per cent this year as Vale, Rio Tinto and BHP Billiton boost output even as global steel demand slows. Metallurgical coal, another steelmaking ingredient, has declined to a six-year low.

The news “essentially confirms, subject to an upturn in seaborne iron ore and met and thermal coal prices, that the vast bulk of the company’s investments in the last decade prior to the appointment of new CEO Lourenco Goncalves was misspent,” Tony Robson, an analyst at BMO Capital Markets in London, said in a note.

“The company is likely to continue to face difficult times given depressed bulk commodity prices,” Robson said. “Much will rest on how successful – or not - Mr. Goncalves is in selling assets and reducing debt.”

Investors borrowed a record amount of money to buy US equities during the bull run, a risky strategy now casting a shadow over the S&P 500 amid market turbulence.

An upsurge in market volatility as US stocks dropped 6.2 per cent from last month’s record peak has put the spotlight on those investors that borrowed money – known as margin trading – to help boost returns.

Peaks in margin trading have been a precursor to bear runs in the past, notably in March 2000 and July 2007.

Recent wild swings in asset prices have been blamed already in part on brokers cutting margins for those investors whose investments were approaching losses. Forced sales by those investors helped fuel the market rout.

William Strazzullo, chief market strategist at Bell Curve Trading, said years of near zero interest rates and large central bank bond purchases – accompanied by an extended period of low volatility – had encouraged investors to take on more risk and accumulate larger holdings of equities.

“A lot of risk needs to be wrung out and it’s no coincidence that the market rally has ended with the Fed looking to complete its latest round of QE [quantitative easing],” he said, adding that the S&P 500 could easily test the 1,750 level as positions unwind. The index closed at 1,885 points on Friday.

“We are getting into a period of higher volatility in the stock markets and one problem is that a lot of investors become emotional in response to big swings,” said JJ Kinahan, chief strategist at TD Ameritrade.

“They tend to be either ‘all in’ or ‘all out’ when it comes to risk, and this is not a good approach when you think in terms of leverage and margin trading.”

Read more at the FT.

Historically high level of margin debt  on the US shaermarket is exacerbating market volatility. Source: dshort.com

Historically high level of margin debt on the US shaermarket is exacerbating market volatility. Source: dshort.com

Australian shares are expected to rally from the start of trading although any gains are unlikely to follow a smooth upward trajectory with many experts betting on renewed fear in financial markets as worries about global inflation come to the fore.

The benchmark S&P/ASX 200 is expected to jump 68 points (1.3 per cent), according to the SPI Futures for December.

The ASX 200 rose 0.3 per cent on Friday to close at 5271 points.

This week, three key inflation prints will be released by Australia, New Zealand and the US. Australia's quarterly inflation data is expected to show price pressures in goods and services have hardly changed, which will only reinforce the view that the official cash rate will remain on hold at 2.5 per cent for the foreseeable future.

On Tuesday China releases quarterly GDP numbers as well as industrial production figures.

The economics team at National Australia Bank expects inflationary pressures to remain benign and the headline consumer price index (CPI) to be flat in the third quarter, lowering the annual rate from 3 per cent to just 1.9 per cent.

Former PIMCO chief investment strategist and now chief economic adviser to Allianz, Mohamed El-Erian, said in The Financial Times, that speculation was growing in the market that the Fed could delay the end of its QE program or announce more stimulus.

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Brent crude extended its rebound on speculation that a 25 per cent drop from this year’s high was excessive. West Texas Intermediate was little changed after falling below $US80 yesterday.

Brent pared its fourth weekly loss. The recent slump in prices was “too much too soon” and the supply glut “is not yet here today,” Goldman Sachs said in a report yesterday. Oil is paring its collapse as banks including BNP Paribas and Bank of America predict the rout may soon be over.

“You’ve probably seen the worst,” said Bill O’Grady, chief market strategist at Confluence Investment Management. For WTI, “my hunch is that we will hold the $US80 level. But I won’t be shocked if we do retest it.”

Brent for December settlement increased 34 US cents to end at $US86.16 on the London-based ICE Futures Europe exchange. Prices touched a four-year low of $US82.60 yesterday before closing up 0.8 per cent. Prices are down 4.5 per cent this week and 22 percent this year.

 “Prices have likely overshot to the downside,” Jeffrey Currie, Goldman’s head of commodities research in New York, said in the report. “This leaves us near-term constructive, despite being long-term bearish.”

 “In terms of magnitude we now see more upside risk to oil price than downside risk, but we would not rule out another several weeks of price weakness,” Katherine Spector, a commodities analyst at CIBC World Markets, said in a report yesterday.

In a week when stock markets were roiled over concern that the global economy is faltering, US homebuilders had the biggest gain in almost nine months.

The 11-member S&P Supercomposite Homebuilding Index has rallied 6 per cent since Oct. 10, the largest weekly increase since January, as global turmoil fuelled a plunge in mortgage rates and housing starts jumped. The broader S&P 500 Index fell for a fourth week.

“Even when the market was having some pretty bad days this week, the builders outperformed,” said Megan McGrath, a housing analyst with MKM Holdings. “A lot of little things have gotten together to get people maybe a little more optimistic.”

A drop in mortgage rates has the potential to boost home sales and gives builders reason to take on more projects. Average rates on 30-year home loans fell this week to 3.97 per cent, the lowest since June 2013, according to Freddie Mac. The Commerce Department said yesterday that housing starts climbed 6.3 per cent in September to an annual pace of 1.02 million, crossing what McGrath called the “psychologically important” 1 million barrier.

Homebuilders extended gains after reports yesterday that the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which regulates Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, plans new steps to encourage lending to buyers with less-than-perfect credit scores. The FHFA also is planning an effort that will allow buyers to make down payments as small as 3 per cent of the purchase price, two people with direct knowledge of the matter said.

“That’s good news,” said Jeff Meyers, president of Meyers Research, a homebuilding-consulting unit of Kennedy Wilson Holdings Inc., based in Beverly Hills, California. “The mortgage industry is the No. 1 issue holding up growth in housing.”

The rebound in the housing market boosted homebuilding-related stocks in the US.

The rebound in the housing market boosted homebuilding-related stocks in the US. Photo: Bloomberg

Fresh talk of monetary policy staying easier for longer sparked a solid bounce in global sharemarkets on Friday, setting the stage for a positive start to local trading.

Here’s what you need2know:

• SPI futures up 68 pts, or 1.3 per cent, at 5305

AUD at 87.41 US cents

• On Wall St, S&P 500 +1.3%, Dow +1.6%, Nasdaq +1%

• In Europe, Euro Stoxx 50 +3%, FTSE +1.9%, CAC +2.9%, DAX +3.1%

• Spot gold down 49 US cents to $US1238.32 an ounce on Friday in New York

• Brent oil up 26 US cents to $US86.08 per barrel on Friday in New York

Iron ore 50 US cents higher at $US80.82/tonne.

What’s on today:

• Australia: Speech by RBA assistant governor Christopher Kent.

Medibank prospectus expected at 10am AEST

Stocks to watch:

Arrium Q1 output

Iluka confirms talks with Kenmore Resources, says no certainty talks will take place

• Mineral Resources says director Mark Dutton won’t seek re-election

• Resolute quarterly production

Rio Tinto retracts erroneous iron ore presentation

Slater & Gordon AGM in Melbourne

Sonic Healthcare raised to buy v hold at Deutsche Bank, price target $20.50

• Western Areas raised to buy from hold at Bell Potter with PT $5.20; also raised to outperform at Credit Suisse  with same price target

• Commonwealth Bank kept an “underweight” recommendation on The Reject Shop, but dropped its price target to $6.90 a share from $7.60 after a trading update showed challenging conditions

• Citi Research maintained a “buy” rating on Fortescue Metals Group, but lowered its target price to $4.50 from $4.70.

• Morningstar raised Computershare to “accumulate” from “hold” with a “medium” fair value uncertainty, a “narrow” moat and a $13 a share fair value.

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Good morning and welcome to the Markets Live blog for Monday.

Your editors today are Jens Meyer and Patrick Commins.

This blog is not intended as investment advice.

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  • Hi guys, long time reader first time commenter. I took the advice of some of you earlier this year and bought BDR shares for 78 cents. Do you have any more bright ideas?

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    Len Beadell
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    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 1:49PM
  • "Nope, not a cash cow. They will be lucky to break even after their development costs have doubled and the price has dropped 30%"

    Al, what's the fixation with the number 30: House prices 30% overvalued, ASX 30% overvalued, now LNG 30% overvalued!

    Special significance of 30??

    Commenter
    Ange
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    Richmond
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 1:41PM
    • Well gee ange two doesn't make a pattern now does it?

      Commenter
      Allan
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:48PM
  • The ASX looks thick strong and solid at these levels. Some made up numbers out of China tomorrow and it's off to the races this time!

    Commenter
    Keen as mustard
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 1:38PM
  • I am saying bye to this forum as I need some time off to gear up for the forthcoming Santa rally as well as avoid the negativity and pessimism.

    I will post "I told you so" comment at a suitable time.

    Commenter
    PJ
    Location
    Unemployed
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 1:07PM
    • dont let it get to ya, pls remember to post the odd positive to float on the doom gloom flood,
      rule 1 is dont dare be upbeat as theres never a reason to be [on here]....hope ya have some success in becoming a tax payer again ,happy hunting

      Commenter
      BearshapedBull
      Location
      Mugpunters Lounge
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:19PM
    • Don't hurry back.

      Commenter
      Door
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:19PM
    • Doubt it.

      Commenter
      Confused
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:33PM
    • Seriously I'll miss your positive vibes....the doom and gloom on here is TERRIBLE!

      Commenter
      Ange
      Location
      Richmond
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:36PM
    • Don't leave us this way. You'll be missed, you little ray of sunshine. We need more posters like you glass half-full types. It helps take the edge off the harbingers of doom

      Commenter
      Doglover
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:38PM
  • Australians have to work longer as our respective Governments have lacked the inner fortitude to increase the Superannuation Guarantee Level to protect our future + take the burden off the tax payer

    Commenter
    Smarts
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 12:50PM
    • Also, many households have gone from having one full time worker to two full time workers. Instead of being financially better off they now just have a mortgage twice as large as before.

      Commenter
      Ring Master
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:21PM
  • Datsun 180B for sale. $250k or will swap for city house.

    Commenter
    JohnBB
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    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 12:45PM
    • Here in Richmond we have a lovely street called the Vaucluse, runs between Church & Lennox. Lovely street with some absolutely stunning houses; great leafy aspect, good size blocks of land and only 3kms to the city.

      I have my eye on a couple for when RE prices collapse 75%! ;)) ;))

      BTW, on Saturday, directly opposite ours, a little 3 bed weatherboard shed sold for $1,210,000.

      Housing boom!

      Commenter
      Pseudo
      Location
      Nym
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:00PM
    • @Pseudo and tulip bulbs to you too.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:19PM
    • Beautiful Melbourne. I'm just about to board a flight back to Sydney. NSW politicians should hang their heads in shame.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:34PM
    • Will swap Datsun 1200 ute for Mosman dwelling.

      Commenter
      Wise Investor
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:36PM
  • Latest news on bears. In the USA bears have eaten 60 year old. Elsewhere in a zoo a bear has bitten off the arm of a young boy. Last week the bears were back biting the gentle bulls. Someone needs to feed these hungry beasts.

    Commenter
    Wally
    Location
    Flynn
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 12:44PM
  • 3:36pm: Here's what's most likely to determine the path of global markets until the end of the year, according to Deutsche Bank: ...... Point 9 has US markets rallying after the mid term election. Does anyone know if this is a regular link?

    Commenter
    Wally
    Location
    Flynn
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 12:40PM
  • After all the talk of cheap-as-chips to rent in Prahran, I hoped on Domain to find myself a nice 2 bed house to rent. Imagine my surprise:
    http://www.domain.com.au/property/for-rent/house/vic/prahran/?adid=9319476&sp=2

    Commenter
    Lucky
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 12:32PM
    • Yeah but. Someone slapped some white paint on the fence. That's gotta be worth an extra $495 per week.

      Commenter
      Wally
      Location
      Flynn
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:50PM
    • They're asking, they're not getting.

      Commenter
      Confused
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:38PM
  • Dow 30 16,380.41 +263.17 +1.63%

    DAX 8,850.27 +267.37 +3.12%

    FTSE 100 6,310.29 +114.38 +1.85%

    Nikkei 225 15,070.50 +537.99 +3.70%

    yep you guessed it....

    ASX +51.78 +0.98%

    Commenter
    here comes
    Location
    beetlebomb
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 12:30PM
  • @3.22 pm

    Nikkei up 3.5%, but aren't they stuffed?

    Commenter
    penuts
    Location
    monkeys
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 12:25PM
  • And so the markets worldwide have rallied again on past Friday after James Bullard from the St Louis Fraud Reserve Bank suggested that the Fraud Reserve should consider delaying the ending of QE. Perhaps James Bullard is hinting at QE4 or may be even better, permanent QE.

    Commenter
    Ash
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 12:25PM
  • I agree with got brain.

    Commenter
    Mike
    Location
    Hunt
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 12:25PM
  • The bulls were spooked and now they are being spruiked.

    Commenter
    Charles Ponzi
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 12:16PM
  • You better watch out, you better not whinge
    You better not short, I'm telling you why
    Santa rally is coming very soon.

    Commenter
    PJ
    Location
    Unemployed
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 12:11PM
    • Doubt it.

      Commenter
      Confused
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:22PM
    • Last year the Santa rally didn't start until 19th December and the AllOrds did not exceed or even come close to the high point of 5437 set on 28th October.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:50PM
  • "Aussie deflation fears"

    Housing boom!

    Commenter
    Allan
    Location
    Prahran
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 12:08PM
    • why do you always align yourself with if, buts and maybes?

      Commenter
      get shorty
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:15PM
  • Fail??
    Borrowing by self-managed super funds has surged in the last two years, rising from $2.5 billion in 2012 to $8.7 billion by June this year, according to tax office figures.
    Much of that debt has been employed as leverage for ­property purchases.Is this a conservative option? i guess the big funds have the same amount of leverage in property also,difference being they didnt borrow to fund it but used members $$, i dont see the members funds of SMSF being any less precious but is this professional advice given or just an individual choice? I for 1 dont even consider borrowing to invest in SMSF but i do hold relatively conservative holdings in REITS...same same but its not loaned $.

    Commenter
    BearshapedBull
    Location
    Mugpunters Lounge
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 12:03PM
    • I absolutely fail to understand why the members of an SMSF, who may be on the highest marginal tax rate, use their SMSF to gear into property at a tax saving of only 15%. It also makes for a far more complicated SMSF set of accounts and tax return with consequentially higher fees. Maybe that's the reason. Talked into it by fee-hungry advisers.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:40PM
    • Mitch, it just shows that people exaggerate the significance of negative gearing. No-one invests in an asset if they expect to lose money over the whole of the ownership period. Over the life of the asset a property investor will expect to make a profit and paying tax of 10% is better than paying tax at 23.5%. While I personally haven't invested in property through an SMSF I can understand why people would.

      Commenter
      pass the red
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:48PM
  • I really like the ASX 200 chart at the moment. The manner ASX 200 recovered from intra day low of 5122 on 13th October followed up by five positive days tells me something interesting. Prices are going to go down for one particular product or commodity. That product is bear hide. It will be selling for so less that even bears might think of short selling it.

    Commenter
    PJ
    Location
    Unemployed
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 12:00PM
  • @ 2.50 pm

    Pascoe, 'ifs' and 'possibilities', but consistently negative.

    But coming from NAB, it's a possibility that deserves to be considered seriously.

    NAB will look like geniuses if proven correct, but it's a brave call straying so far from the pack.

    If my Auntie had nurries she could possibly be my Uncle as well.

    Commenter
    Allan Mitchell
    Location
    SEQLD
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 12:00PM
    • Whatever Pasco said. Go the opposite.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:28PM
  • Such an eerie flat line on the ASX as we head into the anniversary of "Black Monday" on Wall Street.

    Commenter
    Ghost of 87
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 11:58AM
    • you need to move on, i can smell your fear from here

      Commenter
      dewf hart
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:13PM
  • Have been looking at ACR which is down 5% today, with no announcements. This being an up day makes you wonder.

    Commenter
    Wally
    Location
    Flynn
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 11:47AM
    • ACR is a contrary stock it rises when the market falls and falls when the market goes up so trade the trend but dont get burned when it does the exact opposite just to catch those who thought they could trade it,cycle.....not for the faint heated stock or product wise.

      Commenter
      BearshapedBull
      Location
      Mugpunters Lounge
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:26PM
  • 2.24 Suggest Savanth has a look out the window in Sydney - filled up yesterday in the Hills at $1.57 - but there is no collusion!

    Commenter
    Greg
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 11:43AM
  • US Futures up, trap set or time to buy?

    Commenter
    seen it all
    Location
    before
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 11:39AM
    • Brave man to buy at stumps in this volatile environment!

      Commenter
      steady on there
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:18PM
  • Medibank

    Suggest it will trade at a premium for a few days simply because of logic of Facebook and Ali Baba......HYPE

    Commenter
    Harry Rogers
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 11:38AM
  • big 3 reports nov 13 WBC nov 14 ANZ nov 17 NAB
    divvys dates not sure yet but history usually repeats

    Commenter
    BearshapedBull
    Location
    Mugpunters Lounge
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 11:06AM
    • NAB has their full year report on 30 October. http://www.nab.com.au/about-us/shareholder-centre/financial-calendar

      Commenter
      Wally
      Location
      Flynn
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:34AM
    • Think as far as saying things like" it is not an easy environment" and the likes, such as Smithy and Aunty Gail did last times ,would not be repeated
      Waiting and in to the hilt with only abt 6% cash
      You in Bearbull?

      Commenter
      stu
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:35AM
    • As I understand it.

      ANZ results 31/10 ex div 7/11.

      WBC 3/11 ex 10/11

      NAB 30/10 ex 7/11

      Considering a sell in next few days.

      Commenter
      Harry Rogers
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:36AM
    • @ Mitch will tell you that WBC have the advantage for the best report because of the CEO, lol

      Commenter
      Allan Mitchell
      Location
      SEQLD
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:51AM
    • hmm i got it from the morning star calendar?
      @stu yep im in, but only ANZ sold out Nab while back...
      http://www.morningstar.com.au/Stocks/CorpCalendar

      Commenter
      BearshapedBull
      Location
      Mugpunters Lounge
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:26PM
  • To buy Medibank or not...

    Well, broadly speaking, health insurance seems to be an industry which a long-term B&H portfolio should own.

    Medibank is the largest name in this field here.

    So I guess it boils down to my sense of value whether I buy say 1% of portfolio value, or 2-3%.

    R.

    Ps.. There is also an obvious natural hedge as a Medibank policy holder in owning some Medibank stock.

    Commenter
    Roadsta
    Location
    Rose-colour Bay
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 10:54AM
    • Private health insurance in Oz one of the all time rorts. Wished I'd never contributed a cent, got out 7 years ago, never heading back. Why do you think they are listing it now, stock markets are a risk transfer mechanism for company owners.

      Commenter
      50BahtLeo
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:32AM
    • Talk about getting done on 2 fronts. As a shareholder in a stock with a high P/E and facing fierce competition and as a policy holder in a company that will increase premiums and reduce benefits.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:37AM
  • Rolling the dice with some S&P 500 minis, rally tonight/tomorrow plz

    Commenter
    Bye Bye Fiat Money
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 10:50AM
  • RE Medibank:

    "Medibank is priced about 17 times its earnings. This compares with, say, a bank stock of about 13 times, with a bigger dividend to boot"

    Yeah but Australian bank stocks are ticking time bombs that will blow themselves up as they desperately try and grow Australia's already world record household debt levels.

    Medibank is a good business that can grow for decades.

    Commenter
    Wall Street Veteran
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 10:49AM
    • "Medibank is a good business that can grow for decades" As the population ages and retires less and less will become or remain members of health insurance funds. The funds won't want the elderly and sick as clients. The premium burden will fall increasingly on the younger and healthier members. So will the tax bill but unlike the tax bill the young can opt out of health insurance when it gets too expensive.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:44AM
    • Don't tell the punters that. It's all about P/E v P/E (which are bad comparisons anyway).....

      Commenter
      Bye Bye Fiat Money
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:11PM
  • recovery in full swing???
    lacklustre blip to the +.

    Commenter
    BearshapedBull
    Location
    Mugpunters Lounge
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 10:49AM
  • to all the illegal chinese hoseowners, I buy your house for one $ and sell it back to you after one year for 25000$, interested ?

    Commenter
    houses
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 10:40AM
    • Haha, I like your gusto!
      Sadly, the ATO will see right through that plan. They can't be losing out on Stamp Duty now can they ;)

      Commenter
      Lucky Irish
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:46AM
    • @Lucky, the ATO doesn't collect Stamp Duty. That's the cash cow for the State govt's.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:47AM
    • Apologies, good pickup Mitch.
      Same sentiments though.

      Commenter
      Lucky
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:17PM
  • Don't fight the trend.....the trend is your friend.

    Commenter
    The trend is up
    Location
    Yeah
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 10:38AM
    • or sideways

      Commenter
      BearshapedBull
      Location
      Mugpunters Lounge
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:51AM
    • nope, trend is down from 10.10 am

      Commenter
      jonaze
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:58AM
    • The trend is only there because the sheep follow the leader. Its easy for a big player to start a trend to lure in the sheep to be shorn.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:00AM
  • @ Loki and other anti-science 'selective quouters'

    All it took for the Permian mass extinction to occur was a warming of 6 degrees.

    It would not take much warming at all for the massive amounts of methane locked up in the Siberian permafrost to be unleashed.

    This would easily create a tipping point, a 'positive feedback' of more warming causing more methane releases, causing more warming and so on. From this point stopping runaway climate change would be all but impossible.

    Anyone who brushes this off as a greenie fantasy has no understanding of science.

    Commenter
    Fred
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 10:32AM
    • I fully agree that the environment is important, but we're not in the warming phase following a cold 19th and first half of 20th century.

      The climate in the 16th century was way warmer than now, but it did not wipe out humanity. Indeed, the climate in 2500 BC was even warmer still and the somewhat surprising result was more rainfall over the Sahara, which is why Egypt was prospering back in those days.

      Commenter
      Dr No
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:52AM
    • There is no evidence that your doomsday prediction will come true,just as there was no evidence to support the prediction of more tornadoes in the USA.
      Sounds really scary though.
      BTW,how much difference was our Carbon Tax going to make to the Earth's temperature?

      Commenter
      Loki
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:01AM
    • "no understanding of science" Pretty much sums up the LNP. No science minister and cutting spending on research in the belief that what they aren't told can't hurt them.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:14AM
    • @Loki
      Why should anyone pay any attention at all to your silly opinion?

      Even the sources you quote from to attack climate science speak of “increased number[s] of catastrophes” and “more resources needed to respond”. Ignorance may be bliss, but it will prove to be hideously expensive.

      How can you possibly think that ignoring the problem is going to be cheaper than charging a modest fee for businesses that produce negative externalities and thus impose costs on the rest of society?

      Commenter
      Jimmy
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:45AM
    • Hey Fred, what caused the 6 degree warming for the Permian mass extinction?
      Must have been those dinosaur coal power plants.
      You're worried about humans causing 2 degrees when nature can (and has?) done 6 degrees?
      hmmmm...

      Commenter
      Wwwish Lion
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:07PM
    • LOL 6 degrees over 100,000 years.

      Relevant, not.

      Oh and there were no humans then.

      Really the oil & coal vested interests/deniers are scraping the bottom of the excuses barrel.

      Commenter
      Allan
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:28PM
    • @Jimmy, I have not expressed an opinion at all,save for Good riddance carbon tax.
      All I am doing is listening to all the science,because if there were no science,there would be only be opinion.

      Commenter
      Loki
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:33PM
    • @Wwwish there has been a lot more carbon dioxide stored away by nature since the Permian. The way we are going with stored carbon dioxide release we may very well be on track to release so much that temperature rises exceed 6 degrees. Venus here we come.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:36PM
    • @WWWish

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=permian+mass+extintion&l=1

      "The Permian–Triassic (P–Tr) extinction event, one of several events colloquially known as the great dying.... Earth's most severe known extinction event, with up to 96% of all marine species[5] and 70% of terrestrial vertebrate species becoming extinct.[6] It is the only known mass extinction of insects... so much biodiversity was lost, the recovery of life on Earth took... up to 10 million years.

      There are several proposed mechanisms for the extinctions; the earlier phase was probably due to gradual environmental change, while the latter phase has been argued to be due to a catastrophic event. Suggested mechanisms for the latter include one or more large bolide impact events, massive volcanism, coal or gas fires and explosions from the Siberian Traps,[13] and a runaway greenhouse effect triggered by sudden release of methane from the sea floor"

      Sounds to me like something we would want to avoid, regardless of what cause it.

      Commenter
      Jimmy
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:40PM
    • @Dr No if we're not in a warming phase why are Australian heatwave records being broken year after year for frequency, severity & duration with high temperatures extending into May.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:46PM
    • I see no one has answered my question about what difference the carbon tax was going to make to the temperature...
      How about this one then,,,,none.

      Commenter
      Loki
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:56PM
    • @Loki,

      From your consistent misquoting and quoting without context it is obvious you are not listening to the science. You are taking any tiny piece of text that supports your opinion and ignoring everything else.

      That is not listening to the science.

      Commenter
      Jimmy
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:56PM
    • @Loki because that is fundamentally unknowable. What we do know is that;

      a) carbon diode is most definitely a greenhouse gas.

      b) per capita Australians are among the worst polluters in the world.

      c) charging someone for something makes them do less of it than if it were free.

      That's enough for me to support a price on carbon.

      Commenter
      Jimmy
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:18PM
    • @Loki, what difference the carbon tax was going to make to the temperature. Significant in that its existence recognised the need and willingness to do something about climate change. We were among the first and now we are also first but for all of the wrong reasons. 3 wasted years.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:26PM
  • "Unemployment continues to dog the Newman government, with the latest State of the State finding the Queensland's "soft job market" is continuing to constrain economic growth.

    The monthly employment report put out by the Commonwealth Bank found the 6.4 per cent unemployment rate in Queensland was "up 26.8 per cent on the 'normal' level".

    Not a problem. Who needs a job to make money? I'll just buy another property at bubble prices with debt and rent it out for a pittance. That's the sure fire road to riches!

    Commenter
    DEBT fixes everything
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 10:25AM
  • What on earth is Arrium doing?!

    Commenter
    Captain
    Location
    Titanic
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 10:16AM
  • "The collapse in iron ore prices may have further to run as global supply increases and steel-demand growth slows"

    Oh dear. So some companies are already trading insolvent but there's no pick up in the iron ore price in sight? Oh deary me.

    Commenter
    Broke Back Mountain
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 10:16AM
    • @brokeback check out the link i posted for MGX,might be cold comfort but i think it paints the picture,you were holding stock?

      Commenter
      BearshapedBull
      Location
      Mugpunters Lounge
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:33AM
  • Can't wait until the auctions for the proceeds of crime properties from corrupt foreign officials. I want to buy as many million dollar properties that rent for $500 a week as possible.

    Commenter
    littlelandlord
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 10:10AM
    • $500 a week in rent? I rent and I can tell you that you are WAY off the mark. Here is a property in the price range you are referring to, at $1,450 per week:
      http://www.domain.com.au/property/for-rent/house/nsw/balmain/?adid=9342471&sp=3

      Commenter
      Lucky Irish
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:50AM
    • Nah in Prahran $1M house can go up to $550/week.

      Housing boom!

      Commenter
      Allan
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:29AM
  • Global steel-production growth in 2014 remains muted with China.

    But pollyanas insist on buying Arrium?

    Commenter
    Fred
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 10:09AM
  • @12:45pm I would expect that this measure alone will be enough to unwind the Sydney & Melbourne property boom. The Chinese gov't will be dumping confiscated property onto the market. Those who have bought property but haven't yet been brought to account will also be dumping property, trying to turn that property back into cash before it all can be confiscated. Demand will dry up and prices will fall. I predicted this months ago. If Australia wants an FTA with China, this can only help.

    Commenter
    mitch of ACT
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 10:05AM
    • Unlikely. Leaving aside the small impact of foreign investment (2%? 5%? 10% even) we're talking about a small list of high level corrupt individuals. The vast majority of foreign buyers (lets say 90% of that 5% above) are legit (not FIRB legit just everything else legit).

      Did learn the other day that the biggest penalty FIRB can apply is a $85,000 fine. When you're buying million dollar houses overseas then that (small) risk is likely seen as the cost of doing business.

      So foreign buyers (such that they are) won't be going anywhere anytime soon IMO.

      Commenter
      Peter
      Location
      Oz
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:23AM
    • where does the ownership of the confiscated assets rest?
      Does anybody know?

      Commenter
      mushroom
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:26AM
    • If the cash to buy the properties was funnelled out of China illegally then the cash belongs to the Chinese gov't.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:52AM
  • Hang on! I thought the market was going down?
    What happened to the end of the market as we know it? What happened to 3300pts???
    Gee I'd call you a bunch of economists but that would be a compliment ;)

    Commenter
    Fred
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 10:01AM
    • still not a lot to get excited about my dear, we have actually lost ground again since the open!

      Commenter
      wilma
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:24AM
    • Oi!

      I'm as pessimistic as they come, I can't allow someone else by the name of Fred being an optimist!

      Commenter
      Fred
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:24AM
  • "Can someone like JohnBB explain to me what the issue is with foreign investors buying property at the moment?"

    Because of this:

    "The joint operation will make their first forfeiture of assets within weeks, having agreed on a priority list of alleged economic fugitives who have taken residence in Australia – identified by Beijing as one of the most popular outlets for corrupt Chinese money."

    Billions of dollars stolen from the rural poor in China is being used to corrupt real estate markets around the world.

    Commenter
    Allan
    Location
    Prahran
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 10:00AM
    • The Communist party in China is stealing billions from the rural poor in China and in the US we have the equally marxist Federal Reserve stealing billions of dollars from US savers, pensioners and workers.

      It's the same old story repeating itself over and over again. Lenin and Trotsky's Swiss bank accounts are actually still open, but with no balance. According to the Swiss bank both guys had over 75 million Swiss Franc at one point - which was a lot of money in those days.

      Commenter
      Dr No
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:17AM
    • I didn't get the impression that JohnBB cared much about the Chinese rural population?

      Commenter
      Lucky Irish
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:23AM
    • does ownership of the confiscated assets revert to the crown? ie the fed. govt.

      Commenter
      mushroom
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:29AM
    • 90% of Australians are clueless. They're told what to think. Almost always it's contrary to their interest. Mostly funny to watch but sad the rest of us are dragged down with them.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:32AM
    • People are being brainwashed by local media here telling us that foreign investors are pumping the property market, putting it out of reach of our kids.
      Just step back a bit, do some actual numbers, and realise that the media is full of it.

      Commenter
      Lucky Irish
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:53AM
    • OP is posting complete rubbish again.
      Property here is being bought by wealth HKers leaving the motherland for freedom.

      Allan = NFI again!!

      Commenter
      Matt
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:12AM
    • @lucky Phil.That's quite an assumption lucky. Often use by people that can't discount what I'm saying. Instead they try and lable me something I'm not. Quite immature. But more so a reflection of their absent argument.

      Like to point out the data that discredits?

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:32AM
    • HK is part of China.

      Matt = the one with NFI.

      Commenter
      Allan
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:32AM
    • Not true lucky Phil. Exactly the opposite in fact. The problem is worse than the media's saying.

      Why are you saying that? Got any reasons or you're protecting your interests.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:52AM
    • Correct Matt. HK is governed under the principle of "one country, two systems" as a special administrative region, same as Macau.

      Commenter
      Honkers
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:13PM
  • "As time goes on, they start to put [their funds] into legitimate assets such as houses and property and shares and bank accounts and then the money becomes their wealth," Mr Hill, who is based in Beijing, said. "But it's never been their money to start with in the first place; it's the corrupt money flowing out of China."

    Housing boom!

    Commenter
    Allan
    Location
    Prahran
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 9:55AM
    • Australian politicians are complicit in this and will also be required to front enquires too. In China.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:22AM
    • Wow, has that been confirmed? Who has been called to go over to Beijing? State or Federal politicians???

      Commenter
      Lucky
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:20PM
  • "Australia has agreed to assist China in the extradition and seizure of assets of corrupt officials who have fled to Australia with illicit funds running into the hundreds of millions of dollars."

    Housing Boom!

    Commenter
    Auction Time
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 9:54AM
    • Just grabbed my calculator to check the impact of these "hundreds of millions". 5m properties in Australia at an average of $500k = $2.5 trillion.
      Yeah, those "hundreds of millions" will really move that market.

      Commenter
      Lucky Irish
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:30AM
    • "The Washington-based Global Financial Integrity group, which analyses illicit financial flows, estimates that $US3 trillion flowed out of China illegally between 2005 and 2011."

      ^ This is just scaremongering. My lucky calculator also says we should definitely buy more!

      Commenter
      Four Leaf Clover
      Location
      Property Millionaire
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:39AM
    • If you want to buy at current property prices, go ahead.
      Fully (or over) valued in my opinion.

      Commenter
      Lucky Irish
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:55AM
  • "The Australian Federal Police are poised to seize assets of corrupt Chinese officials" That is every single one of them.

    ........and extradite compliant politicians and FIRB officials.

    Commenter
    JohnBB
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 9:49AM
    • Its got nothing to do with FIRB. We're talking about a few corrupt officials that have stolen money from China. Sure they've bought stuff with the money (including presumably houses) but FIRBs got nothing to do with the story.

      Commenter
      Peter
      Location
      Oz
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:58AM
    • No. Its more than a few and it's hundreds of millions. I think you'll find its 99% in housing. And the word is FIRB will be dragged into it as will politicians.

      This will be far better than big Brother or the block. Can't f wait.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:34PM
  • hedge funds have really got the goldies by the nurries

    Commenter
    Gold Balls
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 9:42AM
    • yes SBM is down another 3.45% today, damn it. Anymore news on the takeover thingy Allan my dear?

      Commenter
      barbara
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:02AM
    • One day the shorts will be reversed let's hope I've been brave enough to add some more by then....

      Commenter
      Greg
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:03AM
  • Another factor that will continue this bull market. The federal budget will be back in surplus very soon. You see it is a bull market you know.

    The government grabs taxes out of your salary when you are employed but when you lose your job and need assistance then your social security claim is rejected on flimsy grounds. I have been out of work for 6 months and have not started getting any social security payment as yet.

    In the future I will do my tax planning like the rich and the big companies.

    Commenter
    PJ
    Location
    Unemployed
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 9:35AM
    • The federal government is not forecasting a surplus this decade.

      Commenter
      Confused
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:47AM
    • "In the future I will do my tax planning like the rich and the big companies."

      Ok.

      Commenter
      Vagrant
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:50AM
    • Apply as a 457. They're getting jobs. You've just got to play the globalization game. Just ask Roadsta and @irish .

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:53AM
    • Why do you say the budget will be in surplus soon? The budget deficit is growing!

      Commenter
      Fred
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:09AM
    • The savings from not paying welfare payments will lead to budget surplus. Cutting welfare payments and making it extremely difficult to get one is the top agenda for this government. Almost 37% of the tax collection is spent on welfare payments. Welfare payments are the number one expense in the budget. Most applications for social security payments are rejected the first time and quite a few number of applicants do not bother re-lodging their applications. Anyone would prefer to have a job rather than to queue up at Centrelink to get social security assistance.

      Commenter
      PJ
      Location
      Unemployed
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:13AM
  • goCatch value AUD$19 million

    Uber value US$17 billion

    LOL

    Commenter
    Minnow Market Analyst
    Location
    Wall Street
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 9:30AM
    • Meanwhile CAB has gone sideways for 9 years, that's a 25% loss of capital in real terms. LOL.

      Commenter
      Allan
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:45AM
    • And if I was the ATO i would be looking very closely at how these Apps pay the taxi's owner/driver...my experience with one of these apps (not those mentioned) was it was all based on cash so the owner/driver did not have to declare tax....

      Commenter
      Wwwish Lion
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:22AM
    • LOL cash... yeah sure, as if that is a viable business model for the app developer. Stop making stuff up.

      Commenter
      Allan
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:31AM
    • It isn't about the how the cost of the development of the App is paid.

      Commenter
      Long Lunch?
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:03PM
    • Who said it was?

      Commenter
      Confused
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:37PM
  • For those who like Cooper basin gas plays - STX has just put out Sept Qty. Next two quarters will be biggest in Company's history one way or another. At 9c(market cap $77m) upside is plenty if u compare other plays in that area ie DLS, SXY, COE & BPT.

    Worth a read.

    Commenter
    Ox
    Location
    Kensi Pk
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 9:30AM
    • Thanks mate. I trawl through all the crap precisely because every now and then someone mentions a company worth a look, and sometimes it is worth all the apocalyptic baloney and Housing Boom repetition, sometimes not. 40C on tghe SA West Coast and the waves are good.

      Commenter
      billyw
      Location
      cactus beach
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:59AM
    • billy w Watch out for the Noah's.Big Motha's out there.

      Commenter
      Ox
      Location
      Kensi Pk
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:39AM
    • Thanks for reminding me, just going for the sea breeze special at Cactus. They feed them in this state, but it is illegal to feed a dolphin!

      Commenter
      billyw
      Location
      cactus beach
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:27PM
  • another riveting Monday on the good old ASX

    Commenter
    i don't like
    Location
    mondays
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 9:29AM
    • The action is watching me throw the NFL TD record 509th TD pass. Not the ASX.

      Commenter
      Peyton Manning
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:52AM
    • Looks like one of those days where I'm done by 10:20 AM. Now just have to wait 3 more hours until the 7/11 will sell me a few big bottles of Leo.

      Commenter
      50BahtLeo
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:15AM
    • head down to foodland soi 5, 24 hours, mai pen rai

      Commenter
      beerlaos
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:57AM
  • gina to sell 10. she obviously knows what a goose she and andrew bolt look like and is trying to distance herself from the stench of idiocy.

    Commenter
    smilingjack
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 9:25AM
    • covered herself in glory hasn't she

      Commenter
      mushroom
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:17AM
  • The ridiculous complexity of working out the true value of mining companies. eg DRM .

    Full accounts show NPAT YE June 2014 (that's 4months ago) $23.5m. However the new accounting
    rules require a revaluation of their mine at that date based on the difference between their original
    assessed value and the gold price at 30 June. So there is an impairment write-down of $32m to give after tax
    loss of $8.4m.

    Now this impairment is based on their original valuation of max USD1170 oz and max USD/AUD rate 0.90. As at
    June 30 Gold was USD $1318 and rate 0.90. So gold was 13% up on their valuation and parity with exchange forecast. The auditors discount the value a further 12 % based on complex weighted average cost of capital. (Ridiculous old assumption which come from never never land)

    Anyway I must be missing something because how can they force a write down when the actual value rose . Hate these long posts but cant make it any shorter.

    I hold shares that's why I chose DRM but pick any mining company.

    Commenter
    Harry Rogers
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 9:23AM
    • thanks for the quick digest @harry i'm a bit overwhelmed with annual reports at present....trying the alphabetical attack but only just got to B....see the BDR investor presentation went down like a lead ballon, not sure what its going to take to turn the tide sp wise -3.79%.

      Commenter
      BearshapedBull
      Location
      Mugpunters Lounge
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:38AM
    • Bear

      It's all about sentiment. Notice within one month analysts sentiment now favour banks.

      BHP starting its slow crawl back due to sentiment.

      BDR is a shorters dream as new company, small capitalisation, easy to press report negativity (UBS experts). I remain comfortable simply because I can see absolutely no reason to be otherwise.

      DRM, FMG also have produced great result in a very difficult environment. Lots of good companies out there . Patience and good luck...its only a game.

      Commenter
      Harry Rogers
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:09AM
  • The ASX 200 has posted gains for the month of October during the past four years. If you look at the past eight years then it is 6 out of 8. OctoBear fear is just a farce. Bears will lose their hide again this month. Slowly and steadily ASX 200 has started building up the Santa rally. Short sellers can sell into this rally as they won't get another chance to buy back their shorts for a long time.

    Commenter
    PJ
    Location
    Unemployed
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 9:22AM
    • Although you are correct, you aren't accurate, as the two biggest bears also appeared (seemingly out of nowhere according to the bulls) in October.

      We all know where bears do it but bulls do it too and a few of us realize it's fertilizer for the garden not the investment portfolio.

      Commenter
      nolongerconfused
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:20AM
  • Medibank Private is talking about reducing the benefits it pays private hospitals for various types of surgeries. That should boost its profit performance. But I would not expect those private hospitals to reduce their prices. So who pays. Why you will dear reader as a Medibank Private policy holder in larger gap payments. If one health insurance company reduces its benefits then I would expect all of them to do so. Private health insurance will become a very expensive luxury limited to its captive market, those on high incomes liable for the Medicare Levy Surcharge.
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/medibank-private-boss-george-savvides-says-people-paying-too-much-for-a-range-of-surgeries-20141015-116itq.html

    Commenter
    mitch of ACT
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 9:15AM
    • That's because public health is free mitch. No-one pays for it, so why bother with private health insurance right?
      Note: Sarcasm....

      Commenter
      Bye Bye Fiat Money
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:41AM
    • There is already a significant variation between what individual funds pay individual hospitals for surgical procedures in various banding groups and for accommodation. The only area of health fund reimbursement that is standard is surgical implants. No news here, but don't let that stop you.

      Commenter
      billyw
      Location
      cactus beach
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:05AM
  • For those who like Cooper basin gas plays - STX has just put out Sept Qty. Next two quarters will be biggest in Company's history one way or another. At 9c(market cap $77m) upside is plenty if u compare other plays in that area ie DLS, SXY, COE & BPT.

    Worth a read.

    Commenter
    Ox
    Location
    Kensi Pk
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 9:07AM
  • AZV you good thing! Up 9.75% today!
    That's 15% in a few days!!!
    Love this market!
    AZV 15% MTU 33% CSS 18% SGH 1% CAJ 35% (sold 62.5c)

    Commenter
    Happy
    Location
    Trader
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 9:06AM
  • "The insurer plans to pay out between 70 and 80 per cent of its earnings as dividends in the future."

    This will be a great stock. It won't have a 70% share price fall like Telstra 3 did either. It's a stock that will allow you to "eat out", "get the latest iPhone" and go on "overseas holidays" for the rest of your life.

    Commenter
    Fit as a fiddle
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 8:59AM
  • Look at SPL go today! Announced successful trials of docetaxel.

    Commenter
    Sheila
    Location
    Newie
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 8:58AM
  • Good to see Medusa is doing what it does best...collapsing in share price terms!

    Commenter
    Ox
    Location
    Kensi Pk
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 8:30AM
    • did you stay in @Ox i would have had a stoppy on, seems gold still holding tarnish as my preferreds TRY,BDR and DRM remain stagnant, not sure if QE4 is a good thing for gold, but seems apart from all out war nothings exciting the upside....yet
      best o luck with it.

      Commenter
      BearshapedBull
      Location
      Mugpunters Lounge
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:51AM
    • Regret still in BSB. i wanted to take a few grand loss but wife said no! Hold she said they will come back up. Makes for interesting pillow talk at night I can tell u!

      Commenter
      Ox
      Location
      Kensi Pk
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:41AM
    • cushion the blows....

      Commenter
      BearshapedBull
      Location
      Mugpunters Lounge
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:28AM
  • ''More research evidence has been published,this time in Science,showing that global warming has not yet caused the number of tornadoes in the USA to increase,despite past predictions and claims''.
    Surely 95% of scientists can't be wrong,can they?
    Good riddance Carbon Tax.

    Commenter
    Loki
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 8:30AM
    • With all these decades of global warming I would have expected at least one or two new tornadoes, but there is nothing.

      Luckily, thanks to 24-hour news channels and satellite connection I can at least see moving pictures of tornadoes, flooding and bushfires from around the globe.

      I'm just waiting for that sea-level rise that good old Al Gore was scaring children with.

      Commenter
      Dr No
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:55AM
    • I don't really care about what happens in the US although having New York subways flood for the first time due to more severe hurricanes must be worrying for New Yorkers. What worries me is the ever increasing number, frequency and severity of heat-waves in Australia. How many extra people will die this year. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-23/heatwave-death-toll-expected-to-top-almost-400/5214496 Those who stick head in sand over climate change deserve the kick in butt from Mother Nature.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:58AM
    • When Climate Change became politicized then all sorts of previous sensible experts began to make wild claims. In Aus, Tim explained how our dams would never be full again. shortly thereafter we had massive floods as the La Nino arrived. Peter Garrett was worse as in the midst of a dust storm he predicted the arrival of the apocalypse. In the 1970's the worry was that an ice-age was approaching. The only blogger here with depth on the subject is JohnBB.

      Commenter
      Wally
      Location
      Flynn
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:08AM
    • Here is where I assume you got that quote from. I wonder if you bothered to actually read it?

      http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/tornadoes-cluster-but-are-not-increasing-in-number.html

      "They found that although there are fewer days with tornadoes, when a tornado does occur, there is increased likelihood there will be multiple tornadoes on that day. A consequence of this is that communities should expect an increased number of catastrophes...

      ...Concentrating tornado damage on fewer days, but increasing the total damage on those days, has implications for people who respond, such as emergency managers and insurance interests,” Brooks said. “More resources will be needed to respond, but they won’t be used as often.” ...The study’s results are a first step toward understanding the relationship between changing tornado activity and a changing climate. "

      Commenter
      Jimmy
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:08AM
    • they didnt say more. they said more intense.

      Commenter
      smilingjack
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:39AM
    • I'm with Jack. My kids will be stoked if a collapse in inner Sydney apartment prices follows the prosecution of Chinese investors who are criminals at home. And because I see this as unlikey to destablise our banks I am hoping it will happen, but I doubt it will.

      Commenter
      billyw
      Location
      cactus beach
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:11AM
    • @Mitch,is Australia really experiencing more extreme heatwaves,or is this just what we are told after The Bureau of Meteorology have completed their homogenization of past temperature records as was recently exposed.
      He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.

      Commenter
      Loki
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:38AM
    • They said the number of tornadoes would increase,and if they had,they would be shouting it from the roof tops,calling for more research to be urgently carried out.

      Commenter
      Loki
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:46AM
  • Can someone like JohnBB explain to me what the issue is with foreign investors buying property at the moment?
    We seem to agree that housing is overpriced in Sydney especially. So local owners are selling to mug-investors with too much cash at inflated prices.
    Local residents are making a motza, and it is the overseas buyers who will get burnt.
    Where's the issue?

    Commenter
    Lucky Irish
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 8:29AM
    • Possibly the problem could lie with institutions who have lent based on the inflated prices paid by the overseas buyers. Thus a fall in prices is not welcome by institutions and their investors

      Commenter
      Sir Walter
      Location
      Ivory Tower
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:59AM
    • "@lucky Phil. Ever thought young families might want a fair go? When's their turn start? Man. What a comment."
      What exactly does a fair go mean?
      Being handed a property?

      Commenter
      Lucky Irish
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:16AM
    • The issue is with FX rates, and further interest rates overseas v AU Interest rates. Uncertainty about the AUD means they're on hold...

      The movements of the AUD over the last few weeks would have hammered some of the overseas buyers if they sold today....
      2c on the fire

      Commenter
      Bye Bye Fiat Money
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:34AM
    • maybe they wont get burnt. if there are cashed up O/S buyers and they can legally buy what is the problem? Here in SA we have a huge english population. huge.10 years ago they fled the motherland in their droves. they havent stopped since. my daughters school primary school class has had 3 new english kids join so far this year. the pound was high against the aus $ and their properties had increased in price dramatically. they sold up - moved to the adelaide hllls and bought nice houses on acre lots for 1/3 what they sold their own property for and that was even before exchange rate was factored in. they had a new house, land, were crime and pollution free. bought a new car and had half a mill left over. then became plumbers, carpenters, sparkies and the like here. its a global world it just seems australians cant seem to get there head around that. the chinese are doing the same except there are a teensy bit more chinese than poms. funny how no one seemed to have a problem when the english lobbed on our door step. in reality its no difference from moving from state to state or suburb to suburb. yes properties have gone up. dramatically. the property I sold in marrickville for a record in 2008 has more than doubled in value in 6 years. I was told at the time if you leave you will never be able to afford to come back.

      Commenter
      smilingjack
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:37AM
    • @Sir Walter: I think most of the foreign purchases from China are being made with cash to be honest.
      Interest rare movements could wipe a heap off their investments alright.

      Commenter
      Lucky Irish
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:56AM
    • 9 X wages is not handed a property. What are you talking about? Your bias is embarrassing.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:03AM
    • @JohnBB: what do you think my bias is towards? I am just a macro-economics enthuastiast.

      Commenter
      Lucky Irish
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 10:24AM
    • @Lucky Irish you may well be correct that it is cash that buys chinese held residential. However it is the prices paid within a given area that sets the value. It is irrelevant as to who is the buyer or how the purchase price is paid when the overview for valuation is completed it is price, price. Hence a popular Chinese locality spiked with many inflated purchase prices can be fragile if there is major reselling hitting the market

      Commenter
      Sir walter
      Location
      Ivory Tower
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:06AM
  • The Abbott gov changes to Employee Share Scheme taxation are a fantastic improvement for small businesses and start ups :) Its these types of policy we need to see more of.

    Commenter
    Wwwish Lion
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 8:23AM
    • Yes, it looks like, for a change, they got something right. Eventually it had to happen.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:10AM
  • So the government will make 5.5 billion out of the sale of Medicare, in effect 5.5 months of interest on the debt labor lumbered us with. Doesn't seem much or maybe the debt is so huge anything will look small

    Commenter
    labor hey! no geniuses there
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 8:22AM
    • The bulk of Labor debt was spent maintaining a healthy economy under threat from the GFC. Perhaps you should read an economists' perspective. http://www.canberratimes.com.au/business/economists-and-the-clash-of-theories-20141017-117i2w.html
      But don't worry. LNP policies are on track to give us the recession Labor saved us from.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:04AM
  • On the 27th anniversary of Black Monday on Oct. 19, 1987, market veteran Art Cashin, now the director of floor operations at UBS, recalls in vivid detail how the event transpired:

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/102097444

    Commenter
    Wolf
    Location
    Memory Lane
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 8:21AM
    • still hurting you I can see, need to move on mate!

      Commenter
      Allan Mitchell
      Location
      SEQLD
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:52AM
    • I always appreciate learning about significant past events. History has many lessons for us and knowing what happened before may save us from falling into the same trap again. I say "may" because if there is one thing that you can rely on about humanity it is its predeliction to repeat the same mistakes over and over. "It's different this time" they say, but it never is.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:24AM
  • Selling into this rally.

    The US market cannot correct and bottom in one week. More volatility & buying ops to come.

    Commenter
    GS
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 8:17AM
    • keeping ANZ or dumping for another bite when it drops back...now thats a big call?
      did ya huh did ya,gone up 4.75% since buy ins around the 31 mark and under...cant decide dammit.

      Commenter
      BearshapedBull
      Location
      Mugpunters Lounge
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:58AM
    • I felt the gains have been too good to not lock in.... and you can see how quickly they take them away from you over the last month.

      Happy with the market's 4% bounce of the lows... IN ONE WEEK. Can't get too greedy! Up to Janet now to decide what happens to the market.

      Commenter
      GS
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:21AM
    • Good call, I'm looking to short the index sometime later this week. The banks this monring = WOW! Looking to short them too later this week....

      Commenter
      Bye Bye Fiat Money
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:36AM
  • Medibank is a bargain at these prices

    Commenter
    Allan Mitchell
    Location
    SEQLD
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:57AM
    • First dividend will be 4.9c payable in Sept 2015 for the 7 months ended 30th June 2015. 4.9c f/f on a $2 share, no thanks. p88 para 4.1.1.4 of the prospectus. My investment criteria requires higher than that. Still looking for the amount of debt it will be loaded up with, probably by way of a special dividend. The company had a book value of $1.4bn at 30 June 2014. Being sold for up to $5bn. That's one hell of a markup.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:17AM
    • A P/E of up to 21 must be a worry. Even worse is that Mattias had his girly talk outburst yesterday. It's obvious that he had a lot of doubts swirling around in his melon. The risk for everyone will be whether or not his girly remarks are some form of smokescreen.

      Commenter
      Wally
      Location
      Flynn
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:27AM
    • Well I won't be buying anything on a prospective PE of 16.5 - 21 times. In this sort of market that's bl**dy risky.

      Commenter
      Ox
      Location
      Kensi Pk
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:28AM
  • I admit the broken record of Allan, JohnBB and Herman are too much to bear. Out of 24 comments at 10.51 these 3 made up 80% of it. Even I find Mitch is more entertaining.

    Commenter
    confused
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:52AM
    • If you only knew lol

      Commenter
      Allan Mitchell
      Location
      SEQLD
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:56AM
    • +1

      Commenter
      rudy
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:59AM
    • You have so much to bear.

      Commenter
      Tissue?
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:59AM
    • Try 80% with two people. You don't realise that Allan and Herman are the same person?

      Commenter
      not confused
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:04AM
    • @confused. That's because you don't want to hear reality.

      BTW. Your math is outstanding.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:06AM
    • without them there is nothing to read, much like without day traders there is no price discovery waiting for you when you're confusion leads you to get in their and buy something!

      Commenter
      Greg
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:13AM
    • It must be frustrating shorting the market and then watch it go up.

      I like to know if shorters are pessimist by nature or they post negativity due to their wish to make profit by scaring others.

      Commenter
      Michael_1
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:15AM
    • JohnBB has trouble differentiate "broken record" and "the truth".

      Oh dear.

      Commenter
      confused
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:17AM
  • As usual all the action happens overnight!

    Commenter
    ASX the minnow
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:51AM
    • The most money is made by the fewest people in the shortest period of time. Same as it ever was ..

      Commenter
      50BahtLeo
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:57AM
  • It's a 10 year old narrative for sure, yet still rings true: there are 3 billion people in the developing world moving into middle class status. They want to consume like we do in the west. Who are we to stop them?

    Their demand for energy will be insatiable!

    Which Australian companies are best positioned to profit with minimal debt and oodles of cash!

    LNG BOOM!

    Commenter
    Ange
    Location
    Richmond
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:51AM
    • LNG is the future, it will slowly but surely replace coal and maybe even oil. But in the short to medium term I think we're looking at fairly low prices as there is somewhat of an over-supply. And with the cost structure being what it is in Australia there won't be huge profits on offer.

      Commenter
      Dr No
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:14AM
    • What, you mean to say they weren't be burning coal. Tony will be disappointed.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:22AM
  • @10.30 AM

    ARI, the new blog darling results not good reading, glad I resisted the urge to follow the flock on this one!

    Commenter
    sheep
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:48AM
    • Not for mums and dads.

      Commenter
      Allan
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:55AM
  • Did the earnings outlook improve in the last week?

    Nope.

    Commenter
    Cpnfused
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:47AM
    • Did it deteriorate in the 2 weeks before that?
      Nope.

      Commenter
      Lucky Irish
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:01AM
    • Yep. Global growth, US growth and Australian growth were all down graded.

      Commenter
      Confused
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:33AM
    • Which companies specifically?

      Commenter
      Lucky Irish
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:13AM
  • buy HIL [3500 @ 1.265] the worm turned and i hope will now ascend,like the niche,like the report,we'll see if the target of $2.00 comes again.

    Commenter
    BearshapedBull
    Location
    Mugpunters Lounge
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:47AM
  • Woodside Petroleum average annual PE over last 10 years: 19.03.

    Woodside Petroleum PE today: 13??

    Production UP!

    Profits UP!

    Solid yielder!

    Buying opportunity!

    LNG BOOM!

    Commenter
    Ange
    Location
    Richmond
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:47AM
    • LNG is a white elephant.

      Commenter
      Allan
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:53AM
    • LNG is a cash cow. Oh, and it can be any colour you like.

      Commenter
      Gaseous
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:19AM
    • Nope, not a cash cow. They will be lucky to break even after their development costs have doubled and the price has dropped 30%.

      Commenter
      Allan
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:35AM
    • Nope. It won't be a white elephant after their development estimates are on target and price expectations are met.

      Commenter
      Gaseous
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 1:17PM
  • Where's PJ???? Anyone seen him???

    Commenter
    Herman
    Location
    Prahran
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:35AM
    • Out the front of Centrelink.

      Commenter
      Damo
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:41AM
    • Why are you posting as me?

      Commenter
      Herman
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:43AM
    • Got a job spruiking shares, "it's still a bull market you know."

      Commenter
      Bull Headed
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:48AM
    • @Damo - very funny mate. I was infact at Centrelink this morning. You will realise how funny it is when you join that queue one day.

      Commenter
      PJ
      Location
      Unemp
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:17AM
    • good luck @pj can be a difficult time o year but things can happen ,long as ya try mate.

      Commenter
      BearshapedBull
      Location
      Mugpunters Lounge
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:46AM
  • "China is seeking the extradition and seizure of assets of corrupt officials who have fled to Australia with illicit funds running into the hundreds of millions of dollars."

    And guess what assets those illicit funds have been sunk into?

    Housing boom!

    Commenter
    Allan
    Location
    Prahran
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:33AM
    • Yes indeed - that will shake up the market

      Commenter
      I told u so
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:22AM
    • I hope my neighbour returns from china soon to start his $200 mill development.

      Commenter
      smilingjack
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 9:42AM
  • Anyone still defending JB HiFi's business model? Sinking into a hole.

    Who wants to but a $60 HDMI cable worth $5 these days?

    Last short $23.00.

    $$$$$$

    Commenter
    Allan
    Location
    Prahran
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:32AM
    • You said last short was $24 though ? Oh so you lied.

      Just like " Oh no, I didn't short LNG @ $2.26."

      Commenter
      confused
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:48AM
    • Nope it was $23 as posted. The LNG trade was poste by BSB. Burns huh?

      Commenter
      Allan
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:54AM
  • Always nice putting a crisp thousand dollar note into the wallet on Mondays open.

    Commenter
    50BahtLeo
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:31AM
    • im with ya on that one..now the other 2k just needs covering from the recent decline and its square 1 again for 2014,awesome.

      Commenter
      BearshapedBull
      Location
      Mugpunters Lounge
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:39AM
    • you do mean baht? (joking of course)

      Commenter
      beerlaos
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:43AM
  • Not even 5400? Pathetic really.

    Commenter
    Herman
    Location
    Prahran
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:29AM
  • So buying the dips was a bad idea? Anyone? Herman?

    Commenter
    confused
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:24AM
    • 37% below the previous peak worked out well for you huh?

      Commenter
      Herman
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:44AM
    • Which dip are you talking about? For some, buy the dips started just below 5675, and then the came the bargain hunters, and buffet quoting fan boys.
      What could go wrong:
      "Investors borrowed a record amount of money to buy US equities during the bull run, a risky strategy...."

      Commenter
      Dip Head
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:54AM
    • 50% up from the previous low didn't work well for your shorts either.

      Commenter
      confused
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:59AM
  • Gas prices will have to rise because all the gas is being exported to provide jobs. For 457's. We deserve what's coming. For letting politicians do this to us.

    Commenter
    JohnBB
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:22AM
    • John, you are so terribly pessimistic. What is so wrong with:
      1. Developing our natural resources, earning forex in the process.
      2. Paying a global price for our gas, ensuring that we use it appropriately at home.
      3. Giving a few thousand other skilled, hardworking earthlings a fair go (the 457s that you so vilify).

      R.

      Commenter
      Roadsta
      Location
      Brisneyland
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:45AM
    • 90k worker's on 457 visas. It's a TINY % of the workforce, what's your issue?

      Commenter
      Lucky Irish
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:58AM
    • @Roadsa and lucky. Like I said we deserve what's coming.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:14AM
    • @Roadsta high domestic gas prices will make local production of goods that use gas as a major input, eg bricks, & food more expensive and drive production offshore with the loss of jobs. Look how many businesses and the Abbott gov't blamed the carbon tax for loss of local production and jobs. The increase in gas prices will be many times the effect of the carbon tax on production costs. So why aren't the LNP moving heaven and earth, as they did with the carbon tax, to stop it. Political donations come to mind.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:32AM
  • Why is it my portfolio went down 2.5% over that torrid month but it's already back in the green after a week? I thought portfolio's follow the ASX exactly?!

    Commenter
    confused
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:18AM
    • I agree. It makes no sense. Just ride the wave and make the most when it's in the GREEN!!!!!!!!!

      Commenter
      mannyB
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:51AM
    • The indexes don't include dividends?

      Commenter
      Fly
      Location
      On the wall
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:53AM
  • I would like to get my hands of the mailing list of all the people who take up Medibank offer at MacBank valuation, as I would like to sell them some time-share.. and multi level marketing oportunities... and magic beans..and .new religion I started after an Angel spoke to me this morning while I was totaly alone with no vitnesses...

    Commenter
    DJ77
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:12AM
  • So it was good news on MNW with the market update.....holding,waiting but not lifting?
    This company was no.13 in BRW most innovative new business" and a buy recommend @ 13.5c from others......up 16% but dropped 32% last week prior to announce,nothing fishy there..hmm

    Commenter
    BearshapedBull
    Location
    Mugpunters Lounge
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:11AM
    • All good news and yeah by the way the CEO has stepped down effective as of last Friday.

      Commenter
      Rabbit
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:50AM
  • We've had quite a lot of negatives impact markets of late, and it's back in bull mode. The VIX shot up like faulty test rocket; the Aussie's been resilient at US$87.5; gold was too heavy to get above the US$1240 level; oil sliding on its own oily pole; US T-Bonds are coming down like a Coles' sticker; ANZ's Smith is grinning like Benny Hill; Abbott wants to shirt-front a KGB guy; the Swedes are looking for a Russian U-Boat; Islamic State's flying a fighter plane; women on the front-line for the Kurdish Army; Ebola's poking around like a bogeyman, and now it looks like Dow Jones futures are up a 100. It's all up...great, huh? GG.

    Commenter
    Gordon Gekko
    Location
    Greg Coffey World
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:09AM
  • AHZ receives another tick for product into Canada...up,up

    Commenter
    BearshapedBull
    Location
    Mugpunters Lounge
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 7:05AM
  • Something for concerned MGX holders to ease the pain...

    http://www.sharecafe.com.au/fnarena_news.asp?a=AV&ai=32117

    Commenter
    BearshapedBull
    Location
    Mugpunters Lounge
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 6:56AM
  • Wong.  "has described as "overblown" fears that Chinese investors are pushing up property prices"

    Seriously?

    Number 1. No one knows how many.

    2 . Guess is 1 to 2%, being all the new supply with a growing population of 400k every 13 months.

    When can we get politicians that work for our interests?

    Commenter
    JohnBB
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 6:45AM
    • In the Western world it is not allowed for the leaders to work for our own interests since that would be wayyysist according to the intelligentsia. According to the media overlords in the US even putting Ebola countries in quarantine would count as wayyysist.

      Commenter
      Dr No
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:05AM
    • Well in a democracy we can still vote these clowns out if we voters can get our act together.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:20AM
    • JohnBB, would you agree that the biggest factor in higher than average house prices is supply?
      Look at places outside Sydney, prices are more normalised, places where Sydney siders are moving to get away prices are towards the high end, Government needs to boost the supply in direct competition with these greedy developers. It seems like the only way to do it. Beat them at their own game. Those who control the supply control everything? Im sure it's a tax a lot of Australians would be willing to pay. Massive builds with subsidised rent to buy schemes for those in low income earner brackets.

      Commenter
      James
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:31AM
    • Can someone like JohnBB explain to me what the issue is with foreign investors buying property at the moment?
      We seem to agree that housing is overpriced in Sydney especially. So local owners are selling to mug-investors with too much cash at inflated prices.
      Local residents are making a motza, and it is the overseas buyers who will get burnt.
      Where's the issue?

      Commenter
      Lucky Irish
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:57AM
    • I don't know James. Probably a good idea. Couldn't be worse than what we're doing.

      Build them in the little villages like Balmain where they promote high population but take none of the pain.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:03AM
    • @JohnBB: eh, why would you build them in Balmain where land would cost a fortune?? Better to start expanding other regional areas in the Central Coast for example. Australia too dependant on Sydney, Melbourne, and to a lesser extent Brisbane.

      Commenter
      Lucky Irish
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:07AM
    • @JohnBB - I would actually blame DINKs (i.e. Double Income No Kids) couples rather than foreigners for house price rises.

      Having two-income families give those households a lot more purchasing power, which pushes up house prices so that those families that invest in our common future by having only one salary and lots of kids can no longer afford housing.

      We should attack DINKs, not foreigners.

      Commenter
      Dr No
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:08AM
    • @lucky Phil. Ever thought young families might want a fair go? When's their turn start? Man. What a comment.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:26AM
  • CRZ buy buy buy

    Commenter
    Jibbers4Us
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 6:45AM
  • The bulls have returned to the paddock, casually munching on the green stuff. The scars inflicted by the back-biting bears have begun to heal. The warm sun gently warms their thick hide as the birds begin to sing again. What could possibly spoil this idealic existence?

    Commenter
    Wally
    Location
    Flynn
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 6:41AM
    • Reality?

      Commenter
      Herman
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:00AM
    • Fattened bulls being prepared for a BBQ, European style or perhaps a horde of Chinese take-away shop proprietors looking for fresh beef.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:01AM
    • the paddock is far from flat - more hills and valleys and borders the woods where the grizzlies snooze in wait

      Commenter
      Greg
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 8:16AM
  • Glad M.Smith is at the helm ANZ
    he sure laid it down Friday last at the Australian and Deutsche bank forum
    ANZ up 2.8% this week, welcome aboard

    Commenter
    stu
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 6:35AM
    • Waiting on Smith to declare a record profit next week as well ! Buy the banks now as correction over !

      Commenter
      ANZ Trading
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 7:13AM
  • Something smells like steak still....

    Commenter
    got brain
    Location
    Date and time
    October 20, 2014, 6:09AM
    • Your butt ?

      Commenter
      Oracle
      Location
      Oberon
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 11:13AM
    • i agree with oracle

      Commenter
      dewf hart
      Location
      Date and time
      October 20, 2014, 12:10PM
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