Evergreen anarchist workshop halted after blogger's camera thrown off balcony
From The Olympian
An anarchist workshop held at The Evergreen State College was halted Saturday after a Mason County blogger’s camera equipment was stolen and thrown off a third-story balcony, according to campus officials.
Blogger John Smith, known online as “Amicus Curia,” had planned on photographing the events during the Olympia Anarchist Convergence, a two-day workshop scheduled on campus.
“It was a public event as we understood,” said Todd Sprague, college spokesperson.
Smith, 67, was blocked from entering the classroom where the workshop was being held, on the third floor of the Seminar Two building.
“They blocked me and said you aren’t welcome here,” Smith said. “I said it’s a public facility, a public event, but they blocked me, then kind of pushed me out the door.”
Smith said he was stepping out to contact campus police when one participant of the workshop grabbed his digital camera. Another grabbed his video camera gear and threw it off third-story balcony.
Smith estimated that the equipment was $10,000.
Campus police and administrators tried to get the names of the people involved, but the student group running the event would not cooperate, Sprague said.
“We went over and talked with the student group sponsoring the event and said we wanted to get the names of the people involved,” Sprague said. “We were unable to get the names and told them if we don’t, we will be disbanding the event.”
Campus police were preparing to end the event when they discovered those involved had already left.
“It was a two-day workshop as planned, and they were about halfway through their first day and they have now left the campus,” Sprague said. “It’s not our intention to allow it to reconvene on campus.”
Smith was able to recover some of the equipment that was thrown from the balcony. The digital camera is still missing.
“I’m pretty sold on the idea of its a public venue and public spaces belong to all of us,” Smith said. “The campus said I have every right to be here. It’s a public event – a public institution.”
Chelsea Krotzer: 360-754-5476ckrotzer@theolympian.comtheolympian.com/thisjustin@chelseakrotzer
Comments
poignant
I guess the point of the story is...?
:
what is really the truth?
what is really the truth?
The point of this story
Is that anarchists are cowards. They pick on an old man, and then run away. If they had any courage, they would have stayed and fought it out. To smash something and run is the mark of a Grade A Coward.
luls
luls
PLOT SUMMARY:
old man wasn't considerate enough to abide by the requests of people at an event (and, in fact, had previously openly stated that he intended to document anarchist activity for the police), got his dumb ass thrown out, and then while he was running off to squeal to mommy (i mean - the pigs) somebody intercepted him and broke his little citizen journalist kit. sounds about right.
Plot summary missing the ending
The event got canceled. THE EVENT GOT CANCELED. What a great success for the anarchist cause. A couple of anarchists succeeded in getting an anarchist event shut down. Too funny for words!
who gives a shit
who gives a shit
No, it just moved to a
No, it just moved to a different space.
Come on man.
How can a group who demands access to public spaces, disrupts public meetings, calls the man when the feel their rights have been denied, turn around and decide to act as though they are some type of gestapo police force deciding who can and who can't attend a public meeting and who can or cannot photograph in a public space. At the same time a notice is going out telling everyone that there is a need to photograph the events at this years May Day event. What if a group of people such as immigrants say don't take pictures and then start smashing every person they believe to be anarchist and destroy their property? You would call them fascist when in fact your own self appointed group of Anarchist police have done the same. Fuck you very much.
"What if a group of people
"What if a group of people such as immigrants say don't take pictures and then start smashing every person they believe to be anarchist and destroy their property?"
Well, if someone is taking pictures of immigrants who can get arrested and departed if they are found out then it seems like it's entirely reasonable to fuck with their equipment. This guy wasn't attacked because he was a liberal, his gear was smashed because of what he did. No one attacked a whole bunch of people because of their political affiliation, one person's stuff was smashed because of their *actions*. If you really can't see the difference then you could use some glasses.
What if a group of people
Get real, the folks who coordinate the migrant rights march asked the representatives with @ tendencies to not fuck up their event in 2012 and were lied to by @s who then tried to take over the event. They even wrote long disparaging post about the leaders within the immigrant rights community. You fuckers are cry babies, who by the way call the cops when someone hits you.
BS
The guy wasn't taking anybody's photograph until he was assaulted/mobbed.
Fuck that, nobody take
Fuck that, nobody take pictures at May Day. Cameras = smash. The only place for a journalist is in the trash can.
another anger freak
all you express is what you feel, and all you feel is anger. goddamn it you are BORING.
Haha, oh my god, I'm so glad
Haha, oh my god, I'm so glad they wrecked this guy's shit.
Dumbass wants to try and play private eye/citizen journalist with anarchists, he should know that something's gonna get broken.
Too bad he wasn't armed
Haha oh my god, I would have laughed so hard if you shot those cowardly punks in the face. JUSTICE!
who are you even talking to
who are you even talking to
anyhow that dude amiscus curry... uhhh why even bother. suck my cock dude
Sounds like someone is angry
Sounds like someone is angry about their stuff getting broke, well, don't be an ass don't get your shit broke. Pretty simple.
cop logic
"see what you made me do to you?" that's cop logic. and coming from an anarchist? pathetic.
hahaha, i'm sorry, i don't
hahaha, i'm sorry, i don't think you understand. anarchists don't usually argue that cops are working with unsound logic. within the framework of protecting the state and private property (and their own careers), the logic makes perfect sense - they have to enforce laws and do everything they can to intimidate unlawful people into compliance.
the point of contention isn't the logic they use to reach that conclusion, the point of contention is the conclusion itself.
No you're right. Sorry,
No you're right. Sorry, nothing in the world warrants a response, responding to external events is "cop logic". Never take action. Ever.
Snitches
Snitches get their cameras broken. He's a snitch working for the state, so someone stopped him from being able to spy for the government. I hardly see how that's what police do. Nice argument, you sound like Glen Beck.
Glenn Beck is awesome. Pass
Glenn Beck is awesome. Pass the beef jerky. :-))
Snitches
Fuck you very much fascist fucking cop want to be enforcer. You better go to Spenser's and by your "black bloc" kit so you can be ready for May Day. On top of the fact that the Massacre in Chicago you have tried to claim wasn't an Anarchist event and you are piggy backing off of the immigrant workers rights movement, fuck you very much for being such a great example of white milk toast bourgeois.
fyi, I have a camera too. it
fyi, I have a camera too. it's only worth about $20 but I can make a big fucking deal about it like it fucking matters in the first place...
HAH! good So! good.
HAH!
good
So! good.
And this is why
And this is why everyone outside of your fucked up little scene thinks you are a joke. Your idea of militant action is to hassle some old guy, just because he doesn't fit your narrow definition of what an anarchist should be or look like: yet another fucked up white boy who doesn't shower. So, when the cops -- the real cops -- frame your buddies, don't be surprised that the majority of people either don't give a fuck or think they got just what they deserved!
I'M WRITING THIS WHILE SITTING IN A SOLID GOLD SAUNA IN VEGAS
THIS JUST IN: FILMING A GROUP OF COMRADES WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT AND CALLING THE COPS WHEN BEING TOLD NOT TO DO SO MAKES YOU A PUNK ASS TROLL
hey, genius
you don't need consent to film people in a public place. whatever GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR ANGER MANAGEMENT PROBLEM.
i don't need consent to cut
i don't need consent to cut your face either
threats?
oh my god you are pathetic. go threaten a cop, you coward.
who the HELL are you and why
who the HELL are you and why are you even here
Why am I here?
Why are you here, macho man? To bellow and make threats to your computer screen? To threaten people you don't even know? To defend a bunch of self-righteous morons who attack an old man and then run off like cowards? Attacking a blogger (a blogger!) is about as low as you can get. As I said, if you are such a tough guy, why don't you go threaten to cut a cop's face? And then, when your sorry ass is in jail, with terrorism enhancements, there can be laughter all around. I swear, what passes for anarchism these days is just pathetic. Testosterone-riddled head cases, cowards and bellowing macho men.
Attacking a blogger (a
Attacking a blogger (a blogger!) is about as low as you can get
Haha IGGT 9/10
shit anyone who is afraid of an old man who is a blogger
is probably like, you know, the most radical badass revolutionary on the planet! probably has warrants out for his arrest for like real heavy revolutionary action. and bloggers are THE BIGGEST THREAT, except maybe for the cops, the State, the army, the politicians, the corporations, the prison system, the industrial military complex, toxic polluters, and the banks!!!!
Hah, LOL
Hah true that, LOL, anon is really convinced that this attack upon ' an old man who is a blogger ' amounts to an enormous global crisis and that existence as we know it will cease and all our lives will be forever changed by said attack of ' an old man who is a blogger '.
'Whips out anti-dick'
citizens on patrol
"an old man who is a blogger" and wants to turn his video tapes into police evidence is pretty much a cop, sorry to have to inform you.
very funny
and this led to what exactly? To the event being canceled. TO THE EVENT BEING CANCELED. What a great success! That'll teach that blogger! We got our own event shut down. Very very funny.
"WE"? I'm pretty sure it wasn
"WE"? I'm pretty sure it wasn't any part yours, since you got kicked out and your camera smashed.
the hilarious part is not
the hilarious part is not only did dude lose his camera, but he he came to anarchistnews to whine about it and pretend anyone here is going to give a shit. protip dude, 99%+ of people here aren't from olympia, ya just trolling yourself by wasting your own time.
100% of people on here are
100% of people on here are all anonymous. So that means 50% could be robots. 30% could be agents. 10% could be trolls and maybe 5% anarchists. the other 5% could be made up of first comers, nihilists, confused people angry people and just people who ended up here by accident dome how. Meaning there is no way to account for anyone or anyway of knowing what who is here for what and there for everything that happens on here is empty and therefore without real meaning. In all honesty, the place is just a kill time fun house for people who are bored because the system provides very limited entertainment for its slaves. Nothing matters.
Turing Test
But if we can't tell the difference between these robots, agents and the blogger (the blogger!), I'm pretty sure they are the blogger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
hey, don't sweat it. let's
hey, don't sweat it. let's just see how far right this comment section can go. literally that way ------------------>
eagerly waiting your response!
This should be in the @news banner
instead of this shit:
"The goal of anarchistnews.org is to provide a non-sectarian source for news about and of concern to anarchists."
At least then people would know what they were getting into and would have an appropriate tone of discussion set for them.
anonymity
According to Der Spiegel (whose source is likely Snowden's data), the NSA routinely jinxes PC's, color printers, Operating Systems, routers, computer cables, and cell phones to reveal the identity as well as content of the author. This forum is no different despite the misapprehensions of its hosts (or maybe not!) who could be the NSA for all anyone here knows. Street punks worry about a geezer photojournalist while not even noticing the anal probe they're undergoing. With geniuses like these, anarchy will go far.
monitor cables
The news release claimed the NSA collaborates with the FBI and CIA who have special workshops where PC's and other electronic equipment are temporarily diverted to receive the alterations which will allow their activity and location to be tracked without the owner's knowledge. Even Microsoft feigns outrage over it's internal tracking algorithm being hijacked. Senior bloggers are such a threat to the anarchist cause, it's impossible to understand why anarchists are wasting their time instead of giving each other BJ's...oh wait!
monitor cables
The monitor cables (which look ordinary) are modified to transmit everything that is typed and shows up on the screen. This is then surreptitiously forwarded to the NSA, etc. In a world where privacy is dead and surveillance is total, the geniuses are worried about photobloggers? How incredibly effective and compelling for the general population.
Sherlock Holmes Fail
"but he he came to anarchistnews to whine about it" That's about the extent of your ability to grasp the real world = anyone who points out how pathetic anarchists are must be the guy himself. SHERLOCK HOLMES FAIL
Wait... Macho Man?
Wait... Macho Man?
Did you just say Macho Man?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6buWXCpQasI
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH YEAHHHH!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH YEAHHHH!
RIP
RIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG7jTAGliyY
hahahahaha! I totally forgot
hahahahaha! I totally forgot that he released a rap album!
never forget
never forget
Comparatively speaking, Macho
Comparatively speaking, Macho Man is the shit! I need to get more into WWF!
omg this video totally
omg this video totally redeemed @news for me today
whatever, macho man aint got
whatever, macho man aint got nothing on the one and only Cactus Jack. BANG!! BANG!!!
I'm not a macho man. I'm a
I'm not a macho man. I'm a Nacho man with extra cheese. Make that tapatio dorito on the double. BATCH!
I have no pity for the masses
I have no pity for the masses.
and no one, but no one
has pity for you. in fact, when you are framed for some stupid COINTELPRO operation and are sentenced to spend the rest of your worthless days in jail, there will be people cheering and clapping.
whatevs bro / kill yrself
whatevs bro / kill yrself #YOLO
pathetic head case
another anger freak who has backed himself into a homicidal-suicidal dead end. No, neither I nor anyone else will kill myself because some anonymous anger freak says to do it. And you certainly lack the courage to kill anyone who claim to hate, you pathetic jerk off. After a few years go by, and you see how absolutely marginalized you and the other anger freaks are, the only people to kill themselves will be . . . . you. Most likely you'll drink yourself to death.
Jeez. You are really nutso.
Jeez. You are really nutso. You honestly need therapy. You get kicked out of a conference that it is clear you aren't welcome at, you get told off repeatedly after commenting anonymously on an anarchist website, and you still don't get it.
Also I'm pretty sure you already had your IP banned a few months ago in relation to some other Seattle article. Is it that important to you that you try to prove to everyone that you are right?
Really. Seek help.
Sherlock Holmes Fail, part 2
Here's another brain dead moron who thinks that only the blogger himself could think that the behavior of the cowards at Evergreen State was. . . the behavior of cowards. YOU FAIL, SHERLOCK HOLMES. Guess again? Keep guessing? Couldn't think your way out of a brain teaser designed for 5 year olds.
dude, it's totally you. it
dude, it's totally you. it doesn't make you look any better by denying it. we all know, it's you.
we?
only people with intestinal parasites use the plural "we". and no, you brain-dead, parasite-ridden anger freak, it's not "me." I am not the blogger. I know, I know, it would make your life so much easier if I was, but I'm not. Now go drink another six pack of swill, you still have a dozen brain cells left.
Aww how cute! He thinks he
Aww how cute! He thinks he isn't the blogger!
core beliefs
This pretty much summarizes the beliefs of a sizable segment of those who call themselves anarchists. It's easily recognized in practice and why the people count anarchists among their enemies. Too many anarchists are deliberately at war with society and are willing to resort to violent means to promote it.
I don't think you're entitled
I don't think you're entitled to speak on behalf of "the people". Some people spend a lot of money in order to act like they can speak on behalf of an entire country (or humanity), but even then, it's simply not the case.
But you're 100% right about the whole "war with society" thing!
Fuck civil rights. Only
Fuck civil rights. Only anarchy can protect us.
Next time it'll be the drones!
The drones will throw your
The drones will throw your camera off a balcony? What are you even trying to say? Your garbled sense of justice and fondness for your Rights is really quite strange for someone posting on an anarchist website. It is almost like you have no idea what it means to be anarchist...
Huh... I thought I said "Fuck
Huh... I thought I said "Fuck civil rights"! How many times I have to write it again? Ok, let's try and see if it works...
Fuck civil rights Fuck civil rights Fuck civil rights Fuck civil rights Fuck civil rights Fuck civil rights Fuck civil rights Fuck civil rights Fuck civil rights Fuck civil rights Fuck civil rights Fuck civil rights Fuck civil rights Fuck civil rights
... got that?
And for the other sentence, I meant that shooting drones is analog to throwing a camera off the windows. Same strategy, same anarchy.
Perhaps that your issue is that you can't even read a one-liner comment?
you really need help. I'm
you really need help. I'm (not really) sorry that your camera got broken, but taking it out via anonymous posting on anonymous internet people won't help you feel better. try therapy or medication or suicide if the first two don't work.
Stop it already, you're too
Stop it already, you're too funny!
Vicarious douche bags. Parasites!
Many @'s have experienced assholes showing up at our events with the notion of "documenting" with their cameras. I, for one don't enjoy having my image stolen and sold for some random photographer's benefit or blog or whatever they feel like doing w/ it. At the events I have attended (bookfairs, workshops, etc.) there seems to be an understanding not to breech other people's privacy. At the very least, ask them if it's okay. Remember how the photographers outnumbered rioter at Occupy.
The idea of it some college admin designating it a "public " event is irrelevant. Basic common courtesy. I went to a @ presentation once when this old dude shows up and sets up a tripod video camera - cable access TV news type thing. The crowd became wary as he proceeded to turn the camera to pan the crowd. People demanded that their picture not be taken. He was belligerent and said the same kind if privilege shit the Rights of the 4th estate. Finally to avoid more trouble he reluctantly agreed to only film the stage area. During the Q+A section, he sure enough pans the mother fucking camera around at the audience.
Ask me if I think it was wrong that young @'s threw his Detective Gadget bullshit gear off the fucking balcony. Vicarious douche bags. Parasites!
When told that his camera wasn't welcome, he tries to barge in. The fact that this guy called the cops for recompense tells it all.
yeah man like totally
bloggers are like the enemy, man! anyone who tries to document a public event is like totally asking for it, man. And if we run away afterwards because someone who has called the cops, instead of staying there and fighting it out like the true revolutionary radicals that we are (totally man!) that doesn't mean we cowards and losers and anger freaks! It just means . . . uh . . . like . . . wow, man.
luls
true revolutionaries always wait around for a militaristic response from their enemies to come and attack them in a hugely tactically disadvantageous situation because that's the real courageous thing to do! what? no, i do not know what "gorilla warfare" is, what the fuck are you talking about?
yes! true revolutionaries
yes! true revolutionaries also do not wait for the blogger to photograph them and send the photos to the police! they send the photos in themselves! and then wait around for their enemies to show up with overwhelming firepower, and then fight them in a manner that will prove to the world that they are not cowards, because they are nonviolent true revolutionaries who value the state's system of rights laid forth in the state's constitution over common sense and anonymity! then, not only do they get to engage in their favorite pastime -- being punished by agents of the state and carceral system -- if they are lucky, they will get brutalized and filmed at the same time!!! then everyone in the whole world will get to see that they are a true revolutionary, who is courageous enough to be brutalized fair and square!!! only cowards think strategically and consider that it may be in their advantage to run away so that they can be free to fight another day, or remain under the radar so that it is safer to take risks again in the future!!
You really have some issues.
You really have some issues. Therapy might be a good option. Just try to have an open mind and listen to what they say. I'm not sure if you need to go to some sort of rehab first, but you really need help.
Canines
It's really true. No one knows you're a dog on the internet. This site proves the maxim. The more obtuse delude themselves by insisting only one person could find them repugnant when, in fact, the vast majority does.
There really are no anarchist
There really are no anarchist revolutionaries in the US and even if there was, they wouldn't last very long because what's to prevent jail from revolutionaries turning self-destructive, misanthropic, cynical, nihilistic and racist while they're in there and even worse when they get out??? Maybe if jail wasn't racist to begin with by forcing everyone to run with their own kind and forcing every group to fight each other based on skin, revolution would be a possibility. Revolution requires a lot of people engaged in battle which is a very high risk crime and how is one supposed to adjust after going through racial segregation and meeting enemies based on skin and ethnicity? How is one supposed to recover from that? How is one supposed to just move on like nothing happened? There is no fucking hope in this fucked up country, not with people being driven by an ideology. All ideologies are like a fucking religion in the sense that they turn a blind eye at anything in reality that doesn't fit in with their own construct. Anarchists and anarchism ignores too much shit and disregards too much shit to be of any use to make change in this complicated society. Most of you who have done real time should know what I'm talking about.
Lol... Jail. You sound
Lol... Jail. You sound like a christian trying to describe the "lake of fire". Like nobodies ever been to jail, or even prison, before. Revolutions happen in a lot worse conditions than jail, dipshit.
Are you on drugs?
Are you on drugs?
Matt Duran
Would this be Matt commenting? It sounds a lot like what he would say after his recent release from federal custody as a Grand Jury resister.
1st Amendment guarantees
For folks like yourself, the 2nd Amendment was included in the U.S. Constitution. The fact that photojournalism is a constitutionally protected activity at public events means little/nothing to you. The only remedy for those who take it seriously is, by your own admission, is to prevent force w/self defense. Moreover, the criminality you condone, invites scrutiny. Public events, in law, permit reporting and photography by definition. Your response, in essence?--f*ck the law. So when the law f*cks you back, don't seek public support. But, invariably, you do. You unabashedly advance a double standard argument and expect it to be persuasive.
Except the existence of
Except the existence of anarchists and supporters-of-anarchists proves that public support exists.
Plus, the argument is not a double standard at all, because anarchists don't object to the intrusion of photojournalists on legalistic grounds - they object to it on grounds of tactics and personal safety.
tactics & personal safety
Violent street elements labeling themselves anarchist and their de facto anarchist supporters/apologists make photographing participants at anarchist sponsored public evens in public venues prudent for the same reasons: tactics and personal safety. The plethora of 'fatwas' targeting photojournalists, physical assaults against photojournalists, vandalism of their homes, stalking, posted true threats, and justification of criminality makes the case for this approach as much as recording/photographing a prowler in your neighborhood. The general public and the police are not all that fearful of photojournalists, but they are of violent anarchists...for a reason. Photojournalists have documented those reasons and posted them in their various publications, both online and off. Smashed car windows, running street battles, angry invective and provocations directed at others including LEO's and journalists are only a few examples. Amicuscuria.com/wordpress has video of mob violence directed at a young black woman in a car they jacketed as a 'snitch'. Leah Plant has been jacketed herself not long after she was engaged in her own brand of jacketing others. Violently inclined anarchists are doubly dangerous not simply for their own tendencies, but by the level of support the often receive from other anarchists. For that reason, the press, the public, and the police should photograph them at every opportunity, just like the area surrounding the Boston Marathon before and immediately after the bombings there. The violently inclined anarchists have handed the state an immeasurably valuable pretext for a surveillance society which now exists in fact. Violent anarchists have turned our society from a civil one into an extension of prison politics. Both arenas are now under full-time surveillance for the same reason: force. The street violence promoted by too many anarchists has distracted the public from the need for privacy with the need for security. The same public has developed a tin ear to pleas from anarchists for more privacy. It's like listening to Bonnie & Clyde argue against cameras in banks. The same anarchists who attack photojournalists because they see them as easy defenseless targets casually walk into Wal-Mart, banks, public transit busses, courthouses, airports, and other public venues every day to have their photos routinely taken, video footage recorded, and their conversations recorded. They do not physically rob those entities because sufficient force there exists to discourage them. What they accomplish with violence targeting the media is an argument for opposing force on the streets to prevent their predatory inclinations. Perhaps anarchists may be thanked, as much as the state, for providing ample argument lending support to the 2nd Amendment. ...it being necessary to defend against ALL enemies, both foreign & domestic [anarchists], the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Violent anarchists are palpably enemies of the freedoms and RIGHTS the people hold dear. Those same anarchists revile the law and even the notion of 'rights'. Thus, they have set themselves against the people like a plague of locusts. They openly declare hostility toward society itself, all the while succoring on that which they claim to despise.
I'm Alex Jones...
I'm Alex Jones, and I endorse this message!
"Moreover, the criminality
"Moreover, the criminality you condone, invites scrutiny. Public events, in law, permit reporting and photography by definition. Your response, in essence?--f*ck the law."
Umm. Anarchists are, by definition, against the law. So being an anarchist kind of does involve saying "fuck the law" and not only seeking public support for it, but actively seeking to generalize that attitude. I really don't understand why you are falling back on constitutional and legal arguments on an anarchist website. The whole point of being an anarchist is being against the state, and therefore against both the Constitution and all laws.
against all laws?
you're not an anarchist, you are a nihilist. in other words, a nothing, a nonentity. go scare your parents, everyone else thinks you are a joke.
I'm glad to have someone say
I'm glad to have someone say this. In my opinion, some law is moral in of itself, law can be equated with formalized norms, the basis for any working society, they do not need to be in books or to be institutionalized, but enforced. Some anarchists have said that because in a new society there would be no rape, murder, or robbery there is no reason for law. This in my opinion is silly because there is need for norms and it is the right thing to do. What rational human being would want a society with no norms? That is the criticism that exists for atheism, it also applies to nihilistic anarchism.
the issue with the norms you
the issue with the norms you describe is from a concrete perspective, they are not universal nor are they static (they change with time). I'm not going to go into why this is the case, suffice it to say if you believe this you are a liberal. So as a society with no fixed or universal norms, what essentially are you describing? It contradicts itself by definition, so that it is rather difficult to pinpoint exactly at what point does a random transgression of norms becomes a pretext for the further entrenchment of reactionary ones. But it becomes clear when one learns that even in typical liberal societies, the norms there are still neither universal nor fixed. That is the whole point of challenging them, to lay them bare for everyone to see.
A simple example to point to are drug laws. Pretty specifically, your geo-location on the planet (even within one country) will determine how you are treated for having a quarter bag of weed for example. In the west coast, likely nothing will happen to you, whereas in Indonesia you might get a life sentence or felony charge. So, what exactly is normative about these norms to begin with? Not much it seems to me and to be sure, to reach for that would be liberal stupidity.
do you think that there
do you think that there should not be a norm not to shoot random people in the streets? I believe that culture and tradition are worth keeping, they should not make a universal law, but white american yuppies (I do not mean you, I mean those liberals who want the world to be covered with bike paths and starbucks), they have no right to decide the lives of the Afghans. Certain norms have not changed since humans first existed, murder has never been a good thing and unless nihilists take over it will stay that way, however though it is not viewed as good it is still done.Movements have tried to change nors but certain norms have stayed the same. It was never accepted to fuck in the streets and likely it never will be. Liberal in anarchist circles has been used without definition, what do you define as liberal? Though I'm not a huge fan of DGR, I do like their definitions.
Murder's not a good thing?
Could you tell that to the following:
All world leaders
All leaders of police departments
Most CEOs ( could argue all for them too)
And that's a small, very generalized, list right there.
They all rely on violence which often leads to murders of thousands upon thousands. Funny how when they sanction it, it's no longer murder. And which liberals want a world covered in bike paths and Starbucks? Most of them decry the latter while bragging about supporting their local coffeeshop. Could just brew the shit at home or drink something better like tea but no. Not a nihilist (don't know enough about it and what I've heard...eh.), but i think there are far more powerful groups which do a lot more to sanction murder.
'murder' is a legal term
'murder' is a legal term please stop using it thank you
Understood
Just trying to respond to the person who posted the original post.
Trollicide is also
Trollicide is also a legal term, NSTFU!
that is also murder, on a
that is also murder, on a much larger scale and with about 3 million killed in Vietnam and 4,000 killed by drones alone in Pakistan, that is another level. I just hope that those responsible will have justice.
collective murder
The great paradox of 'civilization' is the contradiction between what is prohibited individually, but permitted/encouraged collectively. The hierarchy that promotes this is justly criticized/resisted. But, the more violently inclined self described anarchists don't offer a true alternative, merely a change of who is driving the bus--same bus though!
legalities
By conflating malum in se with malum prohibita laws, you've missed the point. People who don't recognize/acknowledge their own inalienable 'rights' will fail to respect them in others. There are certain natural inalienable rights we are endowed with by our creator...by virtue of our humanity. Violating those rights, correspondingly violates natural laws associated with them. Thus, those Nazis who relied upon the defense of following the law/orders were executed for not abiding with these higher laws/principles. i.e. While we have a duty to obey just laws, we also have a duty to disobey intrinsically unjust ones. The example used (marijuana laws) is one of malum prohibita--it's 'bad' not because it's intrinsically so, but because we say so...arbitrarily, in fact. Natural crimes (e.g. murder, rape, arson, robbery, etc.) are bad because it's self evidently so. Conflating the two eliminates critical differences and makes discussion about laws moot.
^frustrated liberal
^frustrated liberal
...and, away she goes...
Dear Blog/ Camera troll:
Thanks for reiterating your position ...yet again.
Only YOU, Camera Troll, knows what a true, brave and manly Anarchist is/does.
The measures you apply to this task is flawed though. Coward, pussy, wimp as pejoratives, won't find much purchase here.
Perhaps back at the station house, in the locker room- it might work...try is there when your shift starts. You might get a fist in your face there.
another anger freak
"You might get a fist in your face there."
Enjoy your total marginalization. Everyone except the people inside your little ghetto think you are a bunch of cowards, mental cases and wankers.
We're obviously important
We're obviously important enough for you to continue to waste your time responding to every single comment on this thread. Marginalized? Maybe. But completely batshit insane? You've got us beat.
spoken for fucking truth.
spoken for fucking truth. what goes through the mind of someone spending hours of their time trying to film people they don't think are worth anyone's time, then spending hours more crying on the internet to those same people?
your mom
your mom
It may take you hours
It may take YOU hours of laborious effort to come up with your pathetic responses, but it takes me only a minute or two to make you cowardly anger freaks look like . . . cowardly anger freaks. Crying?! I'm laughing my ass off!
pls define "cowardly anger
pls define "cowardly anger freak"
Cowardly Anger Freak is the
Cowardly Anger Freak is the new Anarchy Fagg!
Does anyone know where to
Does anyone know where to find this blog? I did a Google search, and couldn't find a recently updated blog by the name of "Amicus Curia".
What kind of blogger walks around with "$10,000" worth of equipment and doesn't show up on a basic internet search.....?
been trying to find it as
been trying to find it as well
amicus |əˈmēkəs, əˈmī-|(in
amicus |əˈmēkəs, əˈmī-|(in full amicus curiae |ˈkyo͝orēˌī, -ēˌē|)
noun ( pl. amici |əˈmēkē, əˈmīkī|, amici curiae )
an impartial adviser, often voluntary, to a court of law in a particular case: [ as modifier ] : he was planning to advance this position in an amicus brief .
ORIGIN early 17th cent.: from modern Latin amicus curiae, literally ‘friend of the court.’
Search for mason county blog.
Search for mason county blog.
amicuscuria.com/wordpress
Quite a number of readers of this blog have managed to find it. Notably, the police don't like their photographs taken either. The difference is violently inclined anarchists suppose they have some form of designated minority status/privilege. The strong armed robbery which took place at the TESC event is ample evidence of why the photographs of those who attend such events are of public interest and reason for acquiring them. It's the same reason why banks photograph people who enter. The lawlessness officially promoted at these public events makes attendance newsworthy. The threats leveled at photojournalists make it doubly so.
...Which is why the guy got
...Which is why the guy got his camera smashed.
I don't understand what is so hard to fathom about this. Guy makes a big hubbub about how anarchists are lawless, violent and destructive; openly voices his opposition to them and his intent to document their activities for cops and wannabe cops; and is then somehow surprised when the lawless, violent and destructive anarchists throw him out and smash his spy gear?
Some people really do not follow their own logic through to its conclusion.
this juvenile shit is why
this juvenile shit is why anarchy can never gain ground as a set of ideas. @'s always acting like they doin' something covert, anti-cap or whatevs when they ain't doin shit and even less worth recording. it makes me laugh sadly. we need less libertines and more liberation.
punk rock fun club at a college campus sounds more like it.
I agree with you somewhat but
I agree with you somewhat but if this guy was well known and had stated intentions of filming people to turn it over to the state I think him being barred from the event was just fine? Now just random press that actually wanted to document the event, sure whatever.
state agent
That case has never been made. Rather, many anarchists are fond of 'snitch hunts' and labeling without any basis in fact. Even were an undercover agent genuinely discovered at such public events, it doesn't justify assault, theft, malicious mischief, and criminality. Force invites force, which is precisely the desired agenda of those violently inclined elements calling themselves anarchists in hopes of wrapping the mantle of 'victim' about themselves and associates. What's lacking is much sympathy from the public when they succeed. The state couldn't hope for a more convenient enemy to buttress its own oppression and violence. The two forces arrayed against each other are too much like Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum. There's no discernible meaningful difference. They're both tyrants.
Please, that sounds right out
Please, that sounds right out of the "liberal's guidebook to responsible radicalism" By Hip Lebewitz. I'm thinking more charter school madrasa...
who let the liberals in again
who let the liberals in again
If you film or photograph
If you film or photograph people (in a public space or not) after they asked you NOT to; that makes you an asshole. This is not the first time Amicus has filmed people (like getting in peoples faces with a camera then posting their images on his blog along with anti-anarchist screeds) at public events despite being asked not to. When you continuously go around being asshole to everyone eventually someone is going to kick your ass (or in this case smash your camera). Amicus, if you don't want people to break your shit, then don't go around being an asshole all the time.
Anyone have a link to the blog?
Anyone have a link to the blog?
@ssh*les
The vast majority of the public believes it is *you* and your apologists who are the @ssh*les. You want a tool and Amicus has declined to be one. For you, this makes him personna non grata. But there's a reason why it's said a reporter has no friends...at least a serious one who isn't given to be a propaganda device. Condoning criminality, assault, theft, and strong armed robbery makes one an @ssh*le in most people's mind. The law is fairly clear in this regard. The response of many anarchists and their academic mentors?--"F*ck the Law!" There you have it. Violent anarchists virtually demand the use of force, then complain of it. They promote 'smashing the state' and all they believe are associated with it, but complain of the brute police power of the state in preventing force & fraud. When analyzed, their argument devolves about who they 'like' or consider an @ssh*le. In contrast, the U.S. Constitution nominally protects @ssh*les (Larry Flynt may be an example) and unpopular minority views/positions. In fact, it also protects photojournalism under the 1st Amendment guarantees. But all that's like water off a duck's back to violently inclined elements wearing the anarchist label. Worse, many who deny such violent tendencies wearing the same label, openly condone/defend those who don't.
You're still not entitled to
You're still not entitled to speak on behalf of "the public" (an illusory entity if there ever was one).
Also, Amicus Curry stated his intent to document the identities and activities of anarchists in order to disseminate that information to people that would like to cause harm to anarchists. If that's not a "propaganda device" (in addition to being a spy and an all-around loudmouth dipshit), I don't know what is.
Ok, but if so why do you care
Ok, but if so why do you care? Where do you come in?
Who put the state in evergreen?
Why was an anarchist event being held at a public college? Ain't that colludin' with the state? Anarchists should meet in cellars, cemeteries, disused warehouses along the wharf or perhaps at hobo jungles. Public colleges are just a way for the state to recuperate unwary leftists back into the daily grind of reproducing capital.
Amicus. You really have too
Amicus. You really have too much time on your hands. You need to go do something other than post comments on this thread. It's a nice day. Go outside and walk around. Go eat a sandwich. Try to make some friends.
Shit, I'm gonna hold all my
Shit, I'm gonna hold all my meetings in cemeteries from now on. Anarcho-goths FTW.
state largess
Yes, it's ironic the 'smash the state' crowd wishes to utilize state sponsored facilities as its podium. The public library is another example. And then there's the radical TESC professors who have the State to thank for their generous salaries and privileged positions in the community who are contemptuous of their benefactor and urge their acolytes to destroy the very system upon which they're propped. The photojournalist being pilloried here has no such links to the state or privilege and must rely on his own wit to survive. An argument can be made it is the 'privileged' in this instance attacking someone from a very poor working class background who doesn't kowtow to their preconceived notions in how he reports and documents these events. Faces? What about faces? Amicus believes faces and identities are an important part of virtually every story. He doesn't publish a travel log or promote tourism. He's an investigative photojournalist. He doesn't attempt to obscure this fact. That doesn't mean he's a 'spy' for the police or state. It means he's an independent journalist bent on informing the public. If you have a problem with that, so be it. But it won't alter the fact or his dedication to the principle.
Being a journalist isn't a
Being a journalist isn't a particularly honorable profession. He records stuff on photo or video. It's not really a grand and noble pursuit. It just so happened that he's previously come out as being hostile to anarchists and made it his own little obsessive grudge to try and spy on them whenever possible, for the sake of "informing the public" (through his own lens, narrative, and editing, of course, and available to any police or intelligence agency who wants it). So, in response to his delusional citizen journalist spiel and intent to cause harm to anarchists, he was unwelcomed from an anarchist event.
Call back when you're through being a washed-up wannabe hero-of-the-people upholding the all-important principle of journalistic integrity. Maybe then you'll have something worth saying.
Sounds like some shill doing
Sounds like some shill doing the state's dirty work, anarchists actually takin care of business, hooda thunk it.
Pretty much hit the nail on
Pretty much hit the nail on the head. This Amicus Curia dipshit explicitly stated a few months back (maybe even a whole year?) that he intended to play private eye with his video camera and document the activities of anarchists for the sake of turning evidence over to the cops and trying to publicly release incriminating information.
Do you have a link? It seems
Do you have a link? It seems likely but I would like to see for myself. Plus, other's have been asking for the guy's blog link. I would suggest to use some sort of proxy or relay tho.
Go to http:/
Go to http://pugetsoundanarchists.org/ and search "amicus" or "amicus curia" and you'll find tons and tons and tons of shit that he himself has posted there (as comments). I think there may have been an article or two on that site specifically having to do with him but I can't remember what it was called or how old it is, offhand.
Thanks, I'll have a look.
Thanks, I'll have a look.
http://amicuscuria.com
http://amicuscuria.com/wordpress/
bizniz
This business is unfinished...and it likely always will be. You are your own worst enemies.
worth reposting this
(Someone else's comment but I agree totally.) this juvenile shit is why anarchy can never gain ground as a set of ideas. @'s always acting like they doin' something covert, anti-cap or whatevs when they ain't doin shit and even less worth recording. it makes me laugh sadly. we need less libertines and more liberation. punk rock fun club at a college campus sounds more like it.
oh come on in was posted in
oh come on in was posted in this same thread
deal with it
that's why I reposted it: it speaks the truth to a bunch of ideologues. Don't like it? Go yell at your computer screen some more.
You really need help Amicus.
You really need help Amicus. There are trained professionals who can prescribe medications that will help you. If you can't afford it there are programs and centers where you can check yourself in for free. I think you are getting worse. You are sad and alone. You need someone to talk to who will care. Here is not that place. It is time to recognize trends in your life. People here don't like you. Anarchists don't accept you. Your ideas aren't compatible with anarchist ideas. You are doing something here that won't win you any sympathy, you won't be able to 'prove' your point to anyone here, and it is obvious. To everyone except you. You are in a sad dark place in your life. Try going somewhere where people accept and value you. This is not that place. Really.
you think I'm Amicus?
Damn, you are clueless. Absolutely clueless. Really.
friends?
Wherever did you get the idea Amicus was seeking 'friends' in the Anarchist community or at any event he covers? Investigative photojournalist aren't looking to make friends or be anybody's b*tch! They're looking to tell a story, including WHO, what, where, when, how, and why. You seem in denial about the reality of journalism. Journalists, at least good ones, are *never* your 'friend'. The best you can hope for is they will tell the unvarnished truth. Amicus makes every effort to do so from all sides of the issue at hand. But that's not good enough for you. You want a parrot. Amicus refuses to give up editorial control to a bunch of thugs, or anyone else for that matter. You want an echo chamber rather than independent journalism.
Not who you're replying to,
Not who you're replying to, but, I actually want neither of those things.
Also, Amicus Curry wasn't thrown out for refusing to "give up editorial control", he was thrown out for refusing to respect people's safety. It should be painfully obvious that if there's somebody at an event who might put other attendees in danger through his actions, that somebody is going to be thrown out; and if that somebody continues putting up a fuss about it, he's going to be further discouraged from coming back.
coming back
If you hope to intimidate/dominate him, then you'd better kill him, because he's not going to stop attending public events.
He's not going to stop
He's not going to stop getting thrown out.
Thrown Out
Actually, it has already stopped after the student group responsible for hosting the event where he was assaulted and robbed got banned from campus--not just the event being shut down, but the organization itself is now persona non grata. TESC couldn't or refused to have a liability like this mob holding counsel utilizing campus facilities. The public has formed similar antipathies having had the opportunity to SEE such mobs in action through the miracle of the internet. The violent anarchists get all schizo over this: They want the publicity, but they don't want to be SEEN doing it. Go figure.
OH NO POOR OLD MAN AND HIS
OH NO POOR OLD MAN AND HIS CAMERA! BOO HOO!
He was going to endanger the people at the workshop by publishing identifying pictures of them as anarchists, not to mention in the midst of a grand jury targeting anarchists solely on their political beliefs that has already chosen Olympia as a target.
unless you work for the cops or for the blogger himself. . .
how would you know this? otherwise, you are making a fine-sounding pronouncement that is nothing but empty, pure hot air.
what else were you going to
what else were you going to do with your photos that you were going to take at the anarchist convergence?
"I'm a blogger I'm a blogger First Amendment Bill of Rights I'm a journalist!"
You weren't going to publish the photos? You weren't going to say they were taken at the Anarchist convergence?
What was I going to do?
Settle down there, head case. You'll injure your brain even more. You think you are addressing the blogger? You are not. I don't live anywhere near Olympia. Not even close. But don't let me stop you from yelling at your computer screen. Yell until your head explodes form rage for all I care.
photos
Investigative photojournalists publish photos, yes. That's what they do. By definition, in law, it's not an invasion of anyone's 'privacy' to take photos at a public event in a public venue. Arguments to the contrary are specious. The photographer owes nobody an explanation and permission is not required.
then fuck investigative
then fuck investigative photojournalists. :)
Actually
He was going to masturbate to them. He digs punky looking chicks. The whole "independent journalist" thing is just to give him something to say to the cops.
ooooops
you shouldn't have said "punky," you've blown the anarchists' cover story. they are just kids born too late to be "punks," so they've decided to call themselves anarchists instead. just another passing fad. . . .
knowing?
He/She/They doesn't. The Mason County Blog which does have the photos of a number of anarchists (many, self promoted) in articles discussing their involvement simply reports on the issues including faces as it does with most of the stories it publishes. But it's an old tactic: Before you kill a dog, first you call it 'mad'. Anarchists are notorious for labeling, 'snitch hunts', assaults, and criminality. The argument they're a targeted victim which justifies their victimizing others is self serving in the extreme.
Amicus has previously stated
Amicus has previously stated his intent to document the identities and activities of anarchists without their consent.
snitch jacketing isn't the
snitch jacketing isn't the same as warning people of a known snitch, or asking if someone is a snitch for that matter.
ah fuck...
I'm getting tired of this wannabe Mike Wallace. Let's just ignore this dipshit after a stern warning to stay the fuck out of our events. Oh and sorry about you camera asshole.
And to the liberal, eat shit and die.
dear anger freak
every time one of you pathetic bellowing mentally damaged anger freaks tells me to die -- I become more and more resolved to live as long as possible. That's what's called a losing tactic on your part, DIPSHIT.
The guy who had his camera
The guy who had his camera trashed and the liberal posting on this thread are the same person. No joke.
Joke's on you
You think so? How wrong can you be? Like, totally!
Strange, from an outside
Strange, from an outside perspective it seems like living is a losing tactic on your part.
Why I hate you
Camera Troll, John Smith,
fuck off for trying to recuperate @ efforts for your State/capitalist media project. You're so unconscious of your part in the State apparatus of control. You want to turn a profit by putting us at risk. It may surprise you to learn that this makes you my enemy- because you are doing me and my comrades harm.
If people choose to meet together to talk about issues near to their hearts, all you can think of is to try to turn the event for your own advantage by documenting.
Anarchists as involuntary participants in your addition to the great and grand media Spectacle.
Profit?
I don't think you can make the case that any of the coverage of public events conducted by Amicus has turned a profit or any income whatsoever. And if it had, it would be immaterial. That you're saturated w/hate is self evident. People have every right to meet/associate to discuss whatever the wish, though not to plot/conspire criminality. Amicus has no desire to chill anyone's 1st Amendment rights. You can't say the same. If folks want to engage in private discussion, they're free to do so in private venues. Public events in public venues are open to any/all members of the public and may be documented at will. It's an important and precious right of the public belonging to everyone in the commons. You may not wall off the commons to the public, even temporarily, or the press. The public has a right to know what is going on in its midst in these public arenas. It's understood criminals have no respect for the law or the rights of others. Ironically, as with so many anarchists, they liberally inveigh their own rights.
Any anarchist who uses the
Any anarchist who uses the idea of "rights" to defend themselves is a fucking idiot.
Aside from all of your whining about shit that nobody here cares about (rights, the Constitution, law), you're still ignoring the fact that the primary reason Amicus was denied entry to the event was that his actions would endanger people. There is no argument against this. Even Constitutional rights are superseded by the necessity of safety, which should maybe clue you into the worthlessness of the Constitution as a whole.
rights
It's a given many anarchists, perhaps yourself, don't respect 'rights'. But then you inveigh the 'right' of self defense without calling it that. As referenced in The Declaration Of Independence, many consider these 'truths' (inalienable human rights) to be self evident. We are born with them and they are ours to preserve. Denying individual/Constitutional rights exist simply resolves to might makes right. The state is prepared to respond in kind and through your provocations and insistence on force rather than law, have no one to blame but yourselves. Moreover, you dismiss any right to due process in your rush to personal judgment by ignoring mention of it or including it within a system of laws you reject. The strongest argument against your reasoning is the efforts of violent anarchists to avoid any/all personal responsibility/accountability. By doing so, they reveal they don't believe in their own rhetoric.
Self defense isn't a "right"
Self defense isn't a "right" that people invoke, it's a tactical decision that people make. Sometimes people defend themselves passively, and other times aggressively. The fact that not all anarchists are currently in prison is evidence that anarchists are not tactically unsound, and that "might makes right" is an oversimplification - or at least ignores the various nuances of "might".
Anarchists have no responsibility to be accountable to the society they're attempting to destroy. It's probably in their best interest to act in ways that are strategically sound, but even that is not an obligation in the strictest sense.
accountability
Then 'society' has no inherent obligation to be accountable to them and may destroy/eliminate that which seeks to destroy it. Many anarchists rely on the history of oppression targeting anarchists to curry public sympathy, then blithely admit to wanting to destroy the very matrix of society/civilization within which we exist and depend to survive. Is it any surprise the vast majority of people reject such nihilist rhetoric? Some anarchists argue destruction/deconstruction gives rise to creation. But for most of the public, they simply inspire fear and feelings of loathing. It's like a group of anarchists are sitting together on a limb while some among them are busily working at sawing it off. Bon Voyage! Let us know how that works out for you.
Once again, you're failing at
Once again, you're failing at making even one coherent argument considering anarchists have been engaging in the exact activities you describe yet have continued to exist for more than a century, with varying levels of strength and support. I'll keep waiting for the day that the whole world decides to round up and imprison/execute every anarchist in existence. You're an Alex Jones conspiracy nut whether you want to admit it or not.
imprison/execute every anarchist
You may not have to wait long. Interesting, 2014 will see the implementation of a new Washington State law making participation in violent protests a crime: Criminal Mischief analogous to Russia's 'hooliganism'. This law certainly invites abuse, But, then so has its absence. Sentiments expressed here are ample evidence of this.
self defense
There is no 'right to self defense' against a free press. There is no right to assault and rob a photojournalist because you don't like his editorial decisions or taking photographs at a public event. There is no right to bully/threaten photojournalists because you don't like them. However, there IS a right to self defense against such assaults and robbery. You have no more right to 'privacy' in a public space/event than any LEO has, i.e. none.
yawn.......ACLU troll is
yawn.......ACLU troll is boring.....
Too bad me and many others
Too bad me and many others here don't believe in 'rights'.
too bad
you are not an anarchist, you are a nilhilist. you are nothing, a nonentity. only your parents are scared by you, everyone else thinks you are a joke.
you can't bully me, i have my
you can't bully me, i have my bully-proof vest on. now get the HELL out of here you liberal bully
you nihilist, your ideology
you nihilist, your ideology died first in the 1890s, then in the 1980s with non-anarcho-punk, how many times does nihilism have to be exposed as stupid teenage whims before nihilism dies out?
The event wasn't canceled. It
The event wasn't canceled. It continued at a nearby house for the remainder of Saturday and all day Sunday. The new space was way better than evergreen, we got to drink beers and get high without bothering with the university. The workshops happened and were great. Its unfortunate that probably some people showed up at evergreen and didn't find the new location, but still a great event.
Dude!
You got to drink beers and get high -- without bothering the university you all go to? Whoa, that's anarchy, dude!
private house
A *private* house was the appropriate forum for the kinds of restrictions anarchists wanted to place on the event, not a public State institution such as TESC. Sociopaths walling off portions of the commons are their 'private' fief is inappropriate, illegal, and telling.
"Sociopaths walling off
"Sociopaths walling off portions of the commons" is kind of the reason that anarchists do the things that anarchists do.
Why wasn't it there to begin with?
Universities are boring as fuck and we look like hypocrites for wanting to use them. Glad you guys had fun though.
surely you jest!
anarchists are hypocrites? you mean they say one thing but do the other? surely you jest!
The event wasn't canceled. It
So the next time you protest a Nazi or white power thing don't complain when they treat you the same. You know you are making the same exact argument that those assholes use. I guess that makes you rigid uptight political assholes too. How does it feel to become what you believe you are standing against. Then again you are simply a bunch processed cum of upper middle class bourgeois Anglo Saxon whitey who have no real identity just like the Nazis and white supremest fuck tards.
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
you're racist, anglo saxons
you're racist, anglo saxons aren't all bad people, nor are they all rich and not all rich people are rich. leave with your stupid racist views.
sorry, typo. I meant you're
sorry, typo. I meant you're racist, anglo saxons aren't all bad people, nor are they all rich and not all rich people are bad people either. leave with your stupid racist views.
I heard Amicus is a disabled
I heard Amicus is a disabled female salmon. That's so fucked up!!!
In this world, we are all
In this world, we are all salmon, fated to be eaten by a large bear of fucked by you know who. It's SAD SAD SAD sad that some of them are disabled. You may be right, tho.
why, WHY are you all feeding
why, WHY are you all feeding the same troll over and over again?
Gay man cheats with woman :))
Gay man cheats with woman :)) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNvEKcbjQUo
feed the trolls, tuppence a
feed the trolls, tuppence a day, tuppence,tuppence,tuppence a day...
Every American is responsible
Every American is responsible for destruction of private property belonging to millions through generations of wars for colonial imperial conquest and hegemony. So the opposition to systemic violence is not only justified but nothing in comparison. Even if anarchists had a recruiting system for mayhem and destruction, the damages to the system will never catch up. The amount of damages necessary to catch up to the systems violence would take generations and thousands of dead government personnel to settle the score. Bombings and fires of government buildings and major banks and corporations and thousands of assassinations. And still it wouldn't be enough because the violence is generational. There's almost nothing we can do to get even because the brutality is deeply ingrained in American history. There is nothing more violent than the united states government and everyone being complicit in its aggression on the world. Consent through silence.
It's never going to work. It would take 1/3rd of 250 million people to reach critical mass before anything can be toppled and nobody is really interested in that so long as they have their property swarn to them by the capitalist system so long as they seek profit for themselves but most of all for the ruling elite rich class citizen. Most people aren't even informed and general public opinion is too influenced by the government through mass media so how they would revolt EVER doesn't seem very likely. Human beings are just stupid to see it.
Ok amicus. We get it. Anarchy
Ok amicus. We get it. Anarchy will never work.
Go post somewhere else.
Acknowledging that anarchy
Acknowledging that anarchy will never work is not an endorsement for government. It's just acknowledging that people in general are way too heartbroken to treat anyone with respect and compassion and are just too damaged mentally by society for any political solution to work or make a difference for the common whole. There is no political solution to anything once a full generation of people have undergone Americas heartwarming loving government and private institutions and it's been much longer than only one generation so you got to admit, things are looking pretty bleak. You really don't begin to question the purpose of life until you realize there was never a political solution to anything. And only until you realize there was no political solution to anything do you realize that there is no purpose for human existence.
If the egoist concern of
If the egoist concern of human existence having no purpose was an actual argument for not being involved or antagonistic to the bullshit conditions built around us, then I think I'm just going to hold on to this poop forever until I shit gold out of my ears.
The end.
It's like we're spirits. In,
It's like we're spirits. In, um, like a material world or something.
original sin by another name.
original sin by another name. I do agree though that anarchists could never accomplish anything near the atrocities caused by the government, 1 there are tens of them and 2 they wake up an hour too late.
EDIT- Just TOO stupid to see
EDIT- Just TOO stupid to see it.
This new a-news where people
This new a-news where people who aren't anarchists come to attack anarchists is fucking awesome, Pizza shop, thaddeus, amicus, one could not ask for better troll bait. Thank you a news. Oh and that you too amicus, I know no one else here is going to say it but I will, THANK YOU. Seeing you flail about and try to threaten and intimidate people, ahh... the laughs just keep coming.
4/20 FOREVER
SPRAWLING LIBERAL TROLL ZONE NEEDS A REVOLUTIONARY SURGE OF 9MM ENCHILADAS
EVERGREEN DESK JOCKEY WIENERS: FUCK NO
THE A-TEAM'S ANGER/NIHILISM AND MACHO MAN PROBLEMS ARE VERY REAL AND THEY MAKE US GREAT
Seen this fotographer individual..
He's obnoxious, loud, rude, and generally a clueless knob. Wouldn't be suprised if this was some Nazi's idea of a prank on 4.20
Stupid?
The vast majority of people the world over will accept any form of government whatsoever and give up their liberties so long as they are comfortable, well fed, and feel secure. Only the tiniest sliver care enough about individual liberty to fight/inconvenience themselves for it. That is the stark unvarnished truth. The vast majority of so called anarchists are no different and generally part of the problem. Adding fuel to the fire won't quell it. The small and large criminal acts that remain are self evident as what they are. Walling off portions of the commons as virtually 'private' enclaves is unacceptable and a form of theft in itself...a theft many anarchists complain about, in principle, when they justly accuse government of promoting such thefts for the benefit of profit driven corporations. No matter how tyrannical the U.S. government, private terrorism will never compensate or diminish state sponsored terrorism so long as the stick remains so much shorter than the bear's arm.
Nobody is "walling off the
Nobody is "walling off the commons", they're ensuring their personal safety. Anyone is welcome to anarchist events as long as their presence doesn't endanger the participants.
Your rambling about the nature of humanity and society is really neither here nor there.
Actually, we built a real
Actually, we built a real wall made of brick. It was like some kind of Pink Floyd music video/anti-Israel protest looking thing but building it was a fun ice-breaker. It wasn't a temporary deal either, not like an event that would take a few hours and then end with us leaving, oh no. We were going to leave our anarchists-only bunker permanently installed in the University just because we hate cameras which are of course the ultimate expression of liberty (something that is quashed if a camera is ever denied a picture of anyone in a university).
No, you're not exactly stupid
No, you're not exactly stupid, just uninformed. The state's meaningful meetings are behind closed doors, records of high-level diplomatic activities etc stringently controlled as top secret. Corporate secrecy is the norm. Logging and mineral rights sales are increasingly backroom deals, wherever the public attempts to intervene in nominally public auctions. So what if it's a nominally public event? Ideologically pure adherence to the idea that property is theft would be absurd when it gets in the way of substantively combating such theft. If the anarchists don't want media scrutinizing them it's because they realize their message will be garbled, as much as it is that there is a genuine imperative to hide from oppressive state apparatus. If you think otherwise you do not understand CoIntelPro, the Cleveland 4 and the numerous other examples of FBI surveillance and entrapment. Here's a start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxVEBflfRGk
entrapment/privacy
Then hold your events in private venues. Public events in public venues mean just that. A public college campus isn't *yours* for excluding whichever members of the public/press you choose. That's what private venues are for. Oh...that's right, you don't BELIEVE in *private* property, correct? Hmmm...a bit of a paradox? You don't believe in individual 'rights', just 'tactics'? You don't believe in 'laws', just direct action. You argue 'might makes right' is an over simplification? How so? Your proposal amounts to a march backward in time when trial by combat was the only form of 'justice'. It was precisely to avoid such barbarity people elected, collectively, to yield some of their autonomy for the advantage of a government of laws where the weak could be protected along with the strong, where minority interests/rights/views would have equal standing with the majority. Yours, BTW, is hardly a majority held viewpoint. To be consistent, you, above all other groups, should favor protection of minority interests and viewpoints. But you don't. Rather, you rely on bullying and intimidation combined with physical attacks on what you perceive to be easy/vulnerable targets...if not you, per se, then those you condone. This invites retaliatory sentiment from the general public. At the Seattle federal courthouse rally supporting the Grand Jury Resisters, one LEO commented on what he viewed as the remarkably small turnout. The law enforcement presence easily outnumbered the number of demonstrators. One can find support for almost any perspective in a mental ward. That's not proof of its validity. There are delusional paranoid psychopaths. Some of them may be anarchists. The state is not going to be overthrown by them. The general population is not going to rally behind them. In case you haven't noticed, most folks are more concerned about their personal lives than their civic ones. Violence targeting the state and vulnerable members of the press is nothing more than a pernicious form of mental masturbation. Try getting any anarchist sponsored citizens initiative you care to describe placed on the ballot. You'll never come anywhere close because as soon as the public learned it was sponsored by any group with anarchist leanings, it would be the kiss of death for the initiative. Anarchy in its modern U.S. incarnation is Kryptonite, killing (politically/tactically) anything it touches. Its self loathing is most apparent in how it does everything possible to antagonize members of the media/press. Predictably, its own self loathing inspires others to loathe it in turn.
Voluntary association, dude.
Voluntary association, dude.
Also, why is your website offline? I want to read your stupid ramblings on there.
"Try getting any anarchist sponsored citizens initiative you care to describe placed on the ballot."
I would really prefer not to. That sounds like a terrible waste of my time.
It's funny to me how much we
It's funny to me how much we're upsetting you. Hopefully it'll happen again soon! :D
Again
It's a 2-edged sword.
Subscribing to a majority
Subscribing to a majority viewpoint then intentionally seeking out and surrounding yourself with people who hold a minority viewpoint doesn't make you a "minority" any more than a straight guy walking into a gay bar or a white guy going down to the black part of town. This is doubly true when surveillance and disruption on behalf of the "majority" is your stated intention.
"Try getting any anarchist sponsored citizens initiative you care to describe placed on the ballot."
Are. You. Fucking. Stupid?
Oh, wait, maybe you are
Oh, wait, maybe you are stupid
surveillance
It's now known/proven (Snowden) U.S. government surveillance is total--without exception. It's true that much of official corruption goes on behind closed doors, but not so much in public venues/forums. This truth doesn't eliminate the fact there is also corruption among the people...much of it similarly behind closed doors. In either instance, when that corruption can be seen/implied in public venues/forums, it's fair game and the public/government/people have every right to know about it through their right to document it as journalists or private citizens. It's also true that if we do not exercise our rights, we WILL LOSE them! This includes those which certain anarchists would quash based on self serving logic. Those rights are worth fighting for, whether it is government or its philosophical twin conspirators in the anarchist community that seeks to destroy/obstruct them. The people must take back these public venues/forums/spaces from those who would 'privatize' them. Violent anarchists are but one of a host of ills plaguing the body politic in this regard.
Nice try troll!
Nice try troll! Boooooooooring!
Does Evergreen have some kind
Does Evergreen have some kind of "public space" policy? Because I don't think I've ever been to an event at any university/college where ya couldn't be asked to leave by organizers for 'creating a disruption'. Same goes for just about anywhere a space can be booked/reserved. I threw a guy out of an @ workshop in a "public park" once (rented) because he wouldn't stop filming. Areas legally considered so "public" that you're able to film whoever/whatever/whenever you want are generally limited to streets and sidewalks (even parks and parking lots may not permit it). This really isn't rocket science - there's a hundred reasons you might be asked not to take pictures or video and it's probably wise to learn to respect them if you're going to be walking around with $10 000 in camera equipment. As for the legalistic nonsense being spouted here, it's straight-up bullshit. These allegations are totally unproven in court and therefore clearly slanderous, which is a damn good reason not to let somebody film (if ya believe in that sort of thing).
All this social-media martyrdom needs to fucking stop. Homeless people aren't begging for change on the sidewalk so you can snap a photo, hookers don't stand on corners so you can put on an art show about them and "pretty" women don't walk down the street to end up on your Reddit wank-a-thon. Talk all you want about your rights, you'll still just be a privileged piece of shit exploiting people for your own notoriety/vendettas. The world doesn't exist so you can photograph and blog about it (I am a photoghrapher and blogger, btw), and people not wanting to become your front page doesn't make you the fucking victim. If a million dollars worth of cameras need to be smashed to make this point, so be it.
Every region has some pathetic crypto-fascist loser who tries to menace the local radicals by showing up at every event looking for a fight then complaining that he's been "oppressed" when he gets it. What happened, the occupy camp ask you to leave because you creeped out all the young ladies and wouldn't stop quoting Alex Jones?
Obtuse
Arguing with anarchists about 'rights', Constitutional law, and property is a bit like urging a pig not to play in the mud. Still, the fact you take pictures hardly makes you an expert in the legal aspects, as your description of your personal biases reveals. The lack of an expectation of privacy in public spaces is reflected in the fact of surveillance cameras at almost every corner and entryway, whether it be a bank, Wal-Mart, courthouse, welfare office, or public transit bus. These automatic devices photograph, video record, and store audio recordings of even whispered conversations. The police don't like their pictures taken either. Anarchists aren't alone in decrying being photographed (Hollywood celebs come to mind). But then, anarchists *DO* take pictures at all kinds of public events/demonstrations whether those photographed object or not. Double standard?...it wouldn't be the 1st one.
The ACLU has sponsored a number of videos that can be seen on Youtube discussing photographers rights. The guy who was assaulted has posted many links to these on the Mason County Blog over the years. The press is the ONLY occupation actually named in the U.S. Constitution to be protected (1st Amendment). Anarchists routinely complain of how their 1st Amendment rights are violated when the state attempts to erode their right to speech, association, and political belief. The same 1st Amendment also protects PRESS activities. The purpose or editorial policy of the photojournalist is irrelevant from a legal perspective. There is no difference when it comes to the right to photograph between a sidewalk, park, college campus, city hall, or any other area accessible and available to the public. Some ill advised law enforcement officers have, like you, argued this in court and lost...especially in Washington State. Even the feds had to back down from their position of interfering with the photography of federal buildings. That you don't like this fact is immaterial as a matter of law. What is material is the willingness of violent street elements to trash rights guaranteed under the Constitution. The circular reasoning employed here is 'f*ck the law'...except when its convenient to whine about how anarchists are being persecuted. Why should the state, if you'd care to explain, be any more restricted in how it handles self declared enemies than what those enemies argue should be the 'standard' (no law). Thus, these same self styled anarchists argue the law (as in the case of the photojournalist) should be treated as moot. So be it. Then do not complain when the state follows suit, as it surely will and already has. Arguably, anarchists supporting such lawless/violent behavior are the totalitarian's best friend/enemy--a boon to his/her argument even more liberties must be curtailed/eliminated in order to preserve safety and public order. The nation, as a whole, is sliding into the abyss of fascism and totalitarianism of the skids anarchists themselves have greased. Their argument?: We had to destroy the country to save it.
Your scenario of the Occupy @ Heritage Park is disingenuous. The audio of events surrounding that incident have been posted for anyone with an ear who cares to listen. Even, for sake of argument, your allegation were true (women were 'creeped out') it doesn't alter the right of a photojournalist (or any citizen) to take pictures in a public park, your rationalization notwithstanding. Again, a number of anarchist reject any notion of 'rights', inalienable or otherwise. You appear to be among them. But others very deeply believe such rights are self evident and inalienable. Moreover, they're willing to fight, as did our forefathers, to preserve them. You've gladly described yourselves as enemies of the country and society itself. Thus, you've defined yourselves as traitors, enemies of the people, and outlaws. In earlier times, you'd have been lynched. The rule of law allows due process and a 'defense' against such allegations--a procedure your scheme denies others. There's little enough difference between the game of 'snitch hunt' some anarchists play and the Salem 'witch hunts'. In this milieu, jacketing/labeling is tantamount to conviction.
"I have seen the enemy...and it is us!" -Pogo-
Leah Plante is an example of the tendency of anarchists to eat their own children without shedding one crocodile tear. Seeking social solace in their company is a bit like trying to keep a pet rattlesnake. Leah learned this the hard way and is now in hiding from her erstwhile 'friends'. What these black garbed misanthropes hate most is exposure and accountability. When challenged about actions such as smashing/destroying vehicles parked on streets, their apologists intone, "We need to be more 'selective'".
If one RENTS a public space (temporarily converting it to a private one), taking photographs in it is NOT illegal, but may allow the temporary tenant to charge admission or even provide for the orderly (a hierarchy?) presentations of the program. But that does not include assault, theft, malicious mischief, or mobbing no matter how 'popular' the idea may seem to your pals. Because you, et ux, support such force, it invites scrutiny/photography all the more. The public would very much like to know who is responsible for acts of assault, vandalism, strong armed robbery, and property destruction within its midst. Your contention that photojournalists wishing to document this and those responsible/associated carries virtually no weight except, perhaps, among your co-conspirators. The photojournalist assaulted wasn't disrupting anything. He was attempting to enter a public building on a public college campus which was holding what was advertised as a free event open to the public, including the disabled. You, hypothetically, might believe blacks or ethnic minorities, Catholics or police officers are 'disruptive', but that provides you no basis for excluding them from a public event held in a public venue paid for by the public. The incident revealed a failure on the part of TESC in its mission to provide a non-violent arena for the free, unencumbered, open exchange of ideas and opposing viewpoints. Thus it removed the source and proximate cause of that failure in this instance.
There will be other public demonstrations/events. There will be filming/photography with or without the permission of demonstrators present. What is seen/heard WILL be document and reported.
Nobody gives a shit about you
Nobody gives a shit about you or the ACLU and dumb peeps are gonna keep getting thrown out of events. The end!
LOL
LOL! at this commenter still trying to argue they are not amicus. DUDE, nobody reads the "mason county blog" website. Give it the fuck up bruh, we all know it's you....
another one . .
. . . with intestinal parasites and so says "we." DUDE there are at least 3 people on this thread treating you anger freaks the way you should be treated -- ridiculing and laughing at you -- and none of them are Amicus. I guess you just can't fathom the idea that more than one person thinks you are a joke.
nah dude , as i said no one
nah dude , as i said no one reads the mason county blog. except you, because your from shelton, Washington. I don't think this is a coincidence. meaning that these comments are either you, or maybe your mom. Sup amicus's mom!
resolution
You're understanding of the law regarding photography is deeply flawed. See the PINAC (photography is not a crime) web site. Whether any given photographer has a hidden agenda regarding exercise of 1st Amendment principles is immaterial as it is a universal right belonging to all Americans. It is not, in law, qualified. We have a right to record/document what we can see, hear, smell, taste, feel, or impressions we gain from our senses. It's an inalienable right not subject to your approval, or your pals. In fact, it is a right guaranteed to minorities and the most unpopular (People vs. Larry Flynt). If you want to put those principles to a popularity contest, you'd best do so in a private venue. Your promotion of force to achieve your ends extra-judicially invites a response in kind. You won't attempt to test your argument in court because you know you're argument here is a sham.
True! In the end
True! In the end it would be better if people just took selfies and got a life hmmm? Or I could treat them for Privileged Person's Voyeur/Camera Syndrome? Its not going to be cheap for them, every extreme comes at a price!
this thread
my liberal-meter is off the charts!
lol nice profile pic Amicus
lol nice profile pic Amicus:
http://www.dailymotion.com/pinbalwyz#video=xnafzv
buttz.
Right to Photograph at Public Events
9th Circuit
In its 1995 opinion in Fordyce v. City of Seattle, the 9th Circuit stated that there is a First Amendment right to “film matters of public interest.”
Jerry Fordyce was part of a Seattle protest march and had volunteered to videotape the event, including the activities of police assigned to work the event. Fordyce was arrested when he attempted to videotape some bystanders on the sidewalk against their wishes. He was charged with violating a Washington state privacy statute that forbids the recording of private conversations without the consent of all participants. The thrust of the First Amendment case centered on the privacy statute. Fordyce’s right to record events, including police activities, was never a main issue. The issue was addressed because Fordyce alleged, among other things, that the police had interfered with his First Amendment right to gather news.
In the initial suit, the district court found that “gathering and dissemination of news from public sources is fully protected by the First Amendment. Cox Broadcasting Corp. v. Cohn (1975) The rights of having access to public events and communicating news relating to them are enjoyed by all persons, not just the mass media. Branzburg, (1972).” On appeal, the 9th Circuit agreed that there is a First Amendment right to film matters of public interest.
The question of whether a person has the right to photograph or videotape police activities in the 9th Circuit has not been directly addressed and, thus, has not been fully answered. [This has since changed and is clearly established in Washington State law. The police have no expectation of privacy in public spaces/venues. Neither are the police 2nd class citizens. They have the same rights, in law, you do. Thus, you have no more rights, in law, than they do. Ergo, you have no expectation, in law, of privacy at a public event.]
Boring liberal is boring.
Boring liberal is boring. Keep talking about rights and the ACLU and other shit that people have heard a million times, see if it gets any more relevant.
Photography and public spaces
As noted, the Supreme Court has not heard a case directly concerning photographer’s rights. However, as in the previous section, other decisions by the Court can be used to help establish where a photographer can take pictures.
One helpful case is Perry Education Ass’n. v. Perry Local Educators’ Ass’n., (1983). This case refined what is known as the public-forum doctrine and established a three-level hierarchy of public forums.
The first level was the traditional public forum: “In places which by long tradition or by government fiat have been devoted to assembly and debate, the rights of the State to limit expressive activity are sharply circumscribed.” Traditional public forums include streets, sidewalks and parks. In a traditional public forum, speech receives the most protection and the government generally must allow nearly all types of speech. For the government to enforce a content-based exclusion in a traditional public forum, it must show that its regulation is necessary to serve a compelling state interest and that it is narrowly drawn to achieve that end.
The second level was limited or designated public forums. This is defined as “public property which the state has opened for use by the public as a place for expressive activity.” The government is not required to “open” property, nor is it required to keep the designated property open indefinitely, but as long as it does so, it “is bound by the same standards as apply in a traditional public forum.” Reasonable time, place and manner regulations are permissible and any content-based exclusion must be narrowly drawn to serve a compelling state interest.
The final level was the non-public forum. This is public property which is not by tradition or designation a forum for public communication. The Supreme Court has “recognized that the First Amendment does not guarantee access to property simply because it is owned or controlled by the government. In addition to time, place, and manner regulations, the State may reserve the forum for its intended purposes … as long as the regulation on speech is reasonable” and viewpoint neutral, according to the Perry opinion.
So, from the Perry ruling we can say that, just as we are all able to use public spaces (the traditional and limited public forums), photographers are able to take pictures in public spaces.
It's funny that anarchists
It's funny that anarchists even talk about justice or law at all, it would seem that the government has no justice so why be surprised when it does something wrong? Fourteen people including children are killed by a soldier in Afghanistan and many more by drones and we talk about people doing things they know are illegal and being surprised that they are punished. ACLU?, they're a bunch of liberals who have gone soft over the years trying to get respect from Obama.
To be honest, there are
To be honest, there are things I would do if I loved Obama...for the love of Obama. But this post-ambivalence can only conclude in pure nihilist tragedy, such as life imprisonment, horrible rape and torture preceding certain death and worse horrible things that happen all the time. People generally don't risk their lives unless they feel all other possibilities are worse. I don't feel that and most people in the US probably shouldn't either.
The reality is there are people trying to hurt you, wolves in all sorts of clothing, having absolutely no interest in you the same way most of us in the industrialized world have no experiential concern for the suffering of others (we want to help, not trade places with them!). So there is no point in trying to be hard unless you are trying to defend yourself. Violence is a defensive strategy, love is the offense, no? So, yeah, I'll preach from my pulpit, but this nothing I have I am not sacrificing for Tito, Salassie, Peron or anyone else for that matter.
Whoa there!!
Whoa there Little Red Riding-hood Complex person!! The cure for LRRC is to listen to the musical 'Evita' 5 times in a row.
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