Religion and Personality

Posted in atheists on April 14th, 2012 by Jim Newman – Be the first to comment

Post by Jim Newman

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After I moved from Utah to California, I enjoyed spotting Mormons as I walked around with my friends. As missionaries, even though they wore suits like Jehovah’s witnesses, they stood out. Even in a store I could spot them from business people–though this was less likely to occur than on the street. Mormons, were white, had a crisper haircut, looked like they were more comfortable with walking, and had a more open facial appearance and attitude. I could also spot mormon families by the way they dressed, their hair styles, and the way they interacted. Culture belies character, genetics belies personality, individuality belies social solidarity. And yes, we’d go up and ask. Missionaries love to be talked to because they are by social distaste insular in US society. Frankly, I see missionaries as possible deconverts or at least an excuse to share–now, that I am no longer pissed, that is.

 Mormons

Jehovah’s Witness Missionaries tend to be more stiff, diverse, and either hyper dressy fashionable or Goodwill suit.

 Jehovah’s Witness

Catholic missionaries tend to try to be more incognito though they stand out within the community. Formal missionaries wear membership clothes to show their religion is special.

 Catholic missionary

Vassila Saroglou in his Mind (May issue) article “Are We Born to Be Religious?–Genes and personality influence our attitudes toward religion” discusses how religiosity can be mildly predicted by looking at two of the five personality traits. The five are extroversion, neuroticism, agreeableness, conscientiousness, and openness.

A sidebar talks about how one can look religious. Students (young, naive, untrained people) could spot a religious person 60% of the time. The same sidebar reveals that religious people are more likely to work in education, health, medical services, and humanities. Secularists are more likely to go into engineering, science, and mathematics.

But back to personality. Religious people tend to differ slightly in agreeableness and conscientiousness. First, I have to say these personality tests and categories are odd to me. Anecdotally I range all over the place depending on situation. It is only after 54 years of thinking about it and seeing what I have done in my life versus place that I have glimpsed a better idea of what personality I am. Notably, other people categorize me more easily–bastards, objectifiers.

Unfortunately, this has done two contrary things for me. Made me accept people for who they are. Made me desire to change even more what is egregious in the world. The determined aspects of personality made change even more evitable. Go figure. The more you get personality as determined, the more able you are to target social change. It does make it hard to fight with your spouse but that is more genetically influenced, and then socially supported, anyway.

However, don’t be fooled into thinking politics should be based on genetics. People have the right to be gay whether chosen or birthed. I can imagine no more horrid a tyranny than those based on my choosing

In Saroglou’s study of 70 studies involving 21,000 participants he found 60% of religious versus 40% of nonreligious people were agreeable or conscientious. Tempting to say religion caused people to be like methodical sheep but longitudinal studies show that if you’re an agreeable or conscientious child you will most likely be one as an adult. For me, I was always a contrarian and finding Hitchens was like finding a soul mate and not a mentor.

Indeed irreligious types tend be more creative and rebellious. Socially, religious types, those both agreeable and conscientious, prefer social harmony and personal order. That pretty girl student with perfect but simple hair who always gets A’s could be Catholic. That boy who is always studying and won’t argue to a teacher unless allowed to and then furiously could be a Jew. Those in the middle are Episcopalian. No, just kidding, while these stereotypes have some indication, there is still too much variation. Personality genes aren’t like eye color genes though they hold true.

By the way, if you are an extrovert and open to experience you are more likely to believe in paranormal events. People who are high in conscientiousness but low in openness tend to be authoritarian.

It makes sense on a general level but remember that this means only a 20% difference in groups. Untrained students can tell 60% of the time. While experts or experienced observers could do better, my guess, as this was not tested, it is easy to spot exceptions.

But think of it this way. The largest Electoral win was Grover Cleveland at 62 percent. The largest popular vote win was Bush at 50%. On polarized decisions we don’t differ too much. Indeed, this energizes towards a binary platform. More importantly, it means that small difference matter greatly in populations, politics, and evolution. While I rail on Jonathon Haidt for his research that conservatives experience visceral disgust slightly more than liberals, and hence are more intuitive than rational (so to speak), it still shows in our everyday language and experience, and it still affects effective speech as George Lakoff writes.

The appeal of religiosity and irreligiosity shows in families where parents are one thing and children are another. While it is true that we are all born into our religion, if religious mobility is possible then children will tend to choose, if they choose, according to their personality. This seems like a “duh” moment for many but many people relate choice to opposition to parents. A stern religious dad raises a gay irreligious kid etc. In fact it may have more to do with what DNA happened to come together during sex.

Jim Newman, bright and well

www.brightperide.com and www.frontiersofreason.com

 

Does Romney Reflect Your Values?

Posted in politics on April 13th, 2012 by Phil – Be the first to comment

Ricky Gervais, Science (3)

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FFRF “Sin” Billboard Stolen From Streator Illinois

Posted in atheists on April 12th, 2012 by Phil – 2 Comments

Via FFRF.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation’s “Nobody died for our sins. Jesus Christ is a myth” banner has been stolen from a city park in Streator, Ill. The banner was placed in the park on Thursday evening and taken Saturday.

The sign was missing on the third days  It has risen – it has risen indeed.

The FFRF put up the sign because of this sign on city property.

FFRF is offering a $1,500 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the perpetrator(s). Both the theft of the banner and vandalism to its supporting posts are classified as misdemeanors. Because FFRF’s nonreligious message was targeted, the act also qualifies as a Class 4 felony under Illinois’ hate crime law. Suspects should be reported to the Streator Police Department, 815-672-3111 or cs@ci.streator.il.us.

“It is so dismaying to see mob rule prevail,” said Annie Laurie Gaylor, FFRF co-president. ” This vandalism amounts to censorship and supression of minority viewpoints. This crime against our banner shows the harm when a local government purports to create a ‘public forum’ for religion on government property. The only viewpoint that is going to be heard in Streater is a Christian viewpoint. There are tax-exempt Christian churches throughout Streater where it is appropriate to place Christian crosses and displays. A public park is not one of them.”

City officials granted FFRF permission to erect an eight-foot by three-foot banner in city park near the crosses.

This is not the first time FFRF has had involvement with a religious display in this particular park. In December, FFRF Staff Attorney Patrick Elliott wrote a letter to Mayor Jimmie Lansford protesting a nativity scene at the same location. Local complainants took issue with the crèche itself and the blatantly Christian sign next to the display: “Unto you is born the Savior Jesus Christ the Lord.”

Notice the small reminder to not steal!

Something From Nothing – Richard Dawkins & Lawrence Krauss

Posted in Science on April 12th, 2012 by Phil – 2 Comments

Jessica Ahlquist Gets christian Love

Posted in religion on April 12th, 2012 by Phil – 1 Comment

Jessica just posted this to her twitter account.

 

OK christians this is your chance to rise up and say that this is wrong.  Letter to the editor group protests?  Will you say out loud that this is wrong – very wrong.

Obama Explains The Buffett Rule

Posted in Finance, politics on April 11th, 2012 by Phil – Be the first to comment

NOTE:  This post is part of an ongoing education series.  This information is for educational purposes only.  This information does not constitute investment advice.  No rational person would make investment decisions based on a blog post.  Please consult with your financial advisor before taking any action.

Post by Phil Ferguson

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This is not that hard to understand.  A middle class family pay a marginal rate of 20, 25, or 30% when someone that makes 5 million pays just 15%.  This is wrong and it needs to change.

BIGFOOT: Wanted Dead Or Alive – Bring Him In And Get A Free House.

Posted in woo on April 11th, 2012 by Phil – 4 Comments

That’s right – you find BIGFOOT (photo on right)…

…bring him (or her) in and you get a free house from the Fayetteville Freethinkers!

They really want a Bigfoot and they want to make it worth your time!

So, who ever can present….

… a living or dead specimen of the creature commonly know as “Bigfoot”….

Will get a free house!

What is a Bigfoot?

5.  That to qualify as “Bigfoot” the specimen must be: (a) a nonhuman species of primate ape of ar least the approximate size and stature of a normal adult human being; (b) whose primary means of locomotion is (or was) walking erect on two legs; (c) that now or within the previous century inhabited North America; and (d) whose existence to date has been unconfirmed by science.

I loved the “or was”.  Thats right you can bring him in a cage or in a body bag but a photo will not get you the house!

Read the rules and go get a Bigfoot!

Pastors Forces 13 Year Old To Dig His Own Grave

Posted in religion on April 11th, 2012 by Phil – 1 Comment

via the Huffpo.

Authorities in California said they have uncovered a case of incredible cruelty involving a pastor and two members of his church. The three men are allegedly responsible for the physical and psychological abuse of a young boy who prosecutors say was forced to dig his own grave.

christian love???

The Rev. Lonny Lee Remmers, the 54-year-old officiating pastor of the Heart of Worship church in Corona, Calif., has been charged with assault with a deadly weapon and child abuse.

Sounds like a good start.

The charges filed against Craig and Jeter include one count each of kidnapping, making criminal threats, false imprisonment and assault of a person by force; two counts of assault with a deadly weapon; and three counts of child abuse.

Authorities said they are considering additional charges against the three men.

That’s better

Craig and Jeter are accused of taking a 13-year-old boy, who was living at a group home run by the church, to a secluded area near Barstow on March 18. Once there, the two men forced the boy to dig his own grave with a shovel then get into the grave while threatening to kill him. The men threw dirt on him and beat him with a belt when he tried to climb out, police said.

All three should be locked up.

The following day, the boy was allegedly zip-tied to a chair at the group home and sprayed in the face with Mace, investigators said; the boy was denied treatment for about an hour.

Damn!

“That same day … Remmers (allegedly took) a pair of pliers to the boy’s nipples while the victim cried and screamed for him to stop,” said John Hall, a spokesman for the County of Riverside District Attorney’s Office.

Ok stop… that’s enough.  Now wait for the response….. they were not TRUE christians.

Rev. Billy Graham’s Daughter Admits She Is A Bigot!

Posted in atheists, politics on April 11th, 2012 by Phil – Be the first to comment

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via The Blaze.

Anne Graham Lotz, daughter of revered televangelist the Rev. Billy Graham, appeared on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday, where she joined other faith leaders in discussing religious freedom and politics. Among the topics debated and the statements made, Lotz said that she would not vote for an atheist — a statement that will certainly ruffle non-believers’ feathers.

Not a surprise but, we need to put this to an end.  Here are the facts from June of 2011.

“I would not vote for a man who was an atheist because I believe you need to have an acknowledgement or a reverence or a fear for almighty God,” Lotz said. ”I believe that’s where wisdom comes from.”

What about a woman?  I’m guessing she thinks that women should not even bother running.

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Look they have a poll!

I guess PZ has already started to skew the vote.