The Bathroom Wall
With any tavern, one can expect that certain things that get said are out-of-place. But there is one place where almost any saying or scribble can find a home: the bathroom wall. This is where random thoughts and oddments that don’t follow the other entries at the Panda’s Thumb wind up. As with most bathroom walls, expect to sort through a lot of oyster guts before you locate any pearls of wisdom.
Previous Wall
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There is a God!
And he is a plumber. The Bathroom has been flushed.
Thank you Reed.
Great!
Course, that still leaves what happens when the new plumbing acquires a big drip…
Wait, what am I saying?
Spammer alert!
To make one point about the previous thread. John Kwok wrote:
“Sorry Jim, but your invocation of the Ground Zero Mosque controversy is not helpful here. Incidentally there are many Muslims and Muslim Americans who oppose its construction, simply because they recognize that building it near Ground Zero is needlessly offensive to the families of the victims and the survivors of the 9/11 attack. Some of the most prominent critics - who are Muslim Americans - include Wall Street businessman Mansoor Ijaz (who tried to assist the Clinton administration in extraditing Osama bin Laden from the Sudan) and former United States Navy officer Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser.
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If you are going to call Miss USA, a Muslim American, Rima Fakih, a bigot, then be my guest. Same is true for those two prominent Muslim Americans I had mentioned. Or other Muslim Americans who, like them, have spoken out against building the “Cordoba House” Islamic Center (Of course I am also against it, but am definitely not a bigot.).”
Unless YOU are a practicing Muslim your opposition to this cultural center is pure bigotry, so your saying that you’re “definitely not a bigot” is false. Your ruse of hiding behind the Muslim-Americans’ backs is the same as of the racists who think that using the n-word is OK because so many African-Americans use it. If you are a Muslim, well then, I find your views on the issue just silly, not bigoted.
Kris,
You can’t possibly know what I know.
We already tried that on Kris. You can only call someone an @$$hole, a bastard and crazy so many times before it gets tiresome. What’s the point of bashing me?
Kris has called me a liar for stating the obvious facts about him. We can all see what he has done, so why would he deny the stunts he has pulled? He is the one who invaded our space to attack the cause of the blog, yet he expects us to be tolerant and respectful of him no matter what he says? There is no law or principle I know that demands any such thing.
I haven’t lied about anything, you jackass! The simple fact is that you have invaded Panda’s Thumb and have been a disruptive force from the beginning and have played us like suckers. I’m not fooled by you and no one else is. Even if you were insulted by one or two people in the beginning, you could have ignored it and just responded to the ones who were being positive to you, like flowersfriend has been, but instead you started throwing shit at everyone who dared to reject your tactics. We insulted you because that seemed to be what you liked, but I get tired of that after a while. You don’t, appearantly.
If you seriously think you have made ANY positive contributions to this community here, you are even more delusional than most Creationists!
None whatsoever, but since any comments to a troll are going to produce nothing but bashing in response, that leads to what the point of the comments was.
John often fails to read for comprehension. A poor highschool education , no doubt.
Oh Bob, I can hear the howls now: “Set phasers to SLAUGHTER!”
Your “profile” is a person who needs attention and does not even try to get it by behaving in any consistent or coherent fashion. You are a manipulative jerk who takes ANY response from others and uses it as an excuse to attack. You bash us for not being tolerant enough of Creationists, while stating Creationist fallacies yourself. Then you turn around and deny being religious and question why certain others who are Creationist take their religion so seriously. Such strange behavior is pathological in the extreme.
Gee, this website seems VERY important to you, considering how much time you spend here.
You are either crazy or a fraud, Kris.
The fun thing about the BW is that the trolls either have to cave in and respond on the BW – which they don’t want to do – or pass up responding – which they REALLY don’t want to do.
Your track record is too well known here for us to consider that you are sincere about anything. You are even WORSE than the average Creationist troll because you keep going back and forth between acting non-religious and acting like a Creationist. You cannot be both, so you must be bullshitting us. Nobody here can take that seriously.
If you don’t like being called a liar, stop being one. At least I have ALWAYS told the truth about YOU.
DH, a very minor issue here: the first part you cited above was addressed to me, and personally I find it amusing to watch such comments fall into a hole of resounding silence.
However, as far as the rest goes, carry on.
Oh, did you want to answer him here first? Be my guest. But I figured I’d just make a note of ANY inappropriate thing Kris says elsewhere and post it here, answer it here, and wait for Kris to take the hint and stop attacking us everywhere else and just slam people here.
Why would I want to do that? But if my own rejoinder is indifference, I can at least politely ask that the effect not be spoiled.
Kris threatens: “I would thoroughly enjoy kicking your ass and the asses of anyone else who has called me a liar,…”
Lotsa bluster; everybody’s collective asses are exposed right here.
AARGH! I am so outa here!
Whew! Glad I never called Kris a liar. I only called him a coward and a bully.
So it’s like “one of these days Alice, POW! To the mooning”?
Another collection of Kris’ delusional rants.
Panda’s Thumb is a blog made for defending evolution and promoting proper science education, and since Kris was the one who invaded the blog to spew both Creationist arguments that we were expected to “tolerate” (like we are supposed to tolerate falsehoods?) and then claim to be non-religious at other times, why shouldn’t we regard him as unwelcome, inconsistent and disruptive? Why shouldn’t we treat him like he is the enemy, when that’s all he has ever acted like since he arrived here?
An example of hypocrisy would be us invading and attacking ID promoters on Uncommon Descent. I’ve never done that, and never will. Maybe Kris can go over there and drive the ID people crazy for a while, to prove to us once and for all that he is an equal-opportunity critic, and not a bigoted Creationist concern troll.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/
Kris the creationist wrote:
“If, however, “descent with modification” is defined as showing that speciation (evolution) occurs and/or occurred, then that’s a different ballgame, and requires greater evidence. While a lot of evidence points to a persuasive probability that descent with modification, including divergence/speciation, occurred throughout(?) the history of life, there’s a lot more work to do to before it can reasonably be said that it has been established close to 100%, and I’m not sure it can be reasonably said that it can be established ‘empirically’. Many inferences have been and have to be made, and inferences are a matter of opinion.”
This is of course incorrect. I already posted a link to a web page entitled:
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution
If Kris wants to discuss the point, he can do so here. Maybe someone will want to discuss it with him. Unless of course he is just plain chicken shit.
Here’s the link again:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
You might just leave a short bland note on the original thread to invite him to come to the BW for discussion. He’ll ignore it, of course, but that works too.
Yawn.
(Bored.)
All the spamming at The Immune System Cross-examination Still Burns, and other forums, is very unChristlike, don’t you think?
Makes you wonder if these anti-science creation-supporters are Christians? (Never known a real creationist who wasn’t.)
It’s funny how trolls stubbornly resist being prodded to direct their comments to the BW. They know that once they do, they don’t have any real nuisance value any more: “What’s the point of trolling, then?”
Kris huffs and puffs and squeaks “What are you afraid of?” hiding behind his mommy’s apron. Afraid to mix it up on the big kid’s playground, he’ll sit in the sandbox and cry.
Poor widdle Kwis! Mean old scientists call you out on your stupid shit? Maybe if we ignore the little wanker he’ll go back into the closet and play with himself.
Geeze, I’m beginning to miss FL! I tell you, the neighborhood is going to hell.
I knew the asshole was chicken shit. All he haas to do is come here and provide a better explanation for the 29 different independent data sets that are all consistent with common descent. Until he does, I guess he will just be someone who believes in evolution but not in common descent. Yea right.
Everyone should remember, he had his chance to discuss science, he chose to quote mine and insult instead. He can cry all he wants to now, but everyone is wise to his crap.
D P Robin Even bad sites can be a help because it prepares you for the stupid arguments these people are likely to raise. I read creationist writings for a number of years so I would know what to expect and be able to answer it when it arose. I quit when it became obvious that all they ever did was repeat the same lies over and over. You’ve read one Morris or Wells and there is no reason to waste your time anymore.
Merry Christmas and may God Bless!
If we really were blessed, you would go tend to your family, and stop bothering us with your lie-filled rants and annoying gotcha-games for Jesus.
And maybe not.
DP Robin has asked me to address Paul Burnett’s “serious question”, so let’s do so:
Okay, sounds good. Let’s talk.
Here’s the main problem DP: Paul Burnett failed to specify why his expanded “academic freedom” proposal, would pose ANY problem to anyone other than you secularist “frootloops.”
For example: it’s the gay activists, not the evangelical Christians, who oppose GLAAD and Exodus giving equal-time presentations on gay marriage at the public school assemblies. They don’t want academic freedom at all.
The gay recruiters utterly FEAR and DREAD Paul Burnett’s common-sense notion of “explain both sides fairly and let the children decide”, just as you evolutionists fear and dread it.
Can’t let the students hear the whole story from both sides, and ESPECIALLY not the young questioners and strugglers. Can’t have them hearing that genuine change, genuine choice, is possible. Can’t have them seeing actual young adults who are already experiencing such change. Can’t let them hear that the messed-up mantra “once gay always gay” is refuted.
Legalized gay marriage can be shown as utterly toxic using EITHER secular arguments or religious arguments, and there’s literally no shortage of sources to choose from. Including speakers who can point out the exact inner problems that same-sex-attracted youth already know about, and call attention to finding a way out.
Same for “academic freedom” regarding abstinence, or even capitalism versus communism for that matter. Evangelicals simply do NOT fear doing equal time “academic freedom” gigs on Paul’s expanded list issues. Why should they? How many kids are gonna pick Communism over Capitalism when they hear what about those gulag games that the Russian and Chinese commies have historically played?
So let’s just be honest, since you asked. It’s YOU, and people like you, who would deny a free and open in-school debate on these additional topics. It’s YOU, and frightened secularists like you, who would insist that school students be exclusively exposed to only one side of the story on the topics Paul proffered. Academic freedom, critical thinking, and public two-sided rational debate in front of public school students, “throughout the curriculum” as Paul said, is what YOU fear, not me.
Does that answer your question, DP? How about you Paul?
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Extra Credit: If your high school alma mater invited both you and me to conduct a one-hour open debate, in front of the students and faculty, on any of the topics mentioned in Paul’s snippet, would you participate? Or would you decline the invitation? Hmm?
FL
Like the way good Christian Heterosexual Newt Gingrich’s previous failed marriages were?
It does not sound fair and balanced to spend the majority of the curriculum lying teaching that the other side is a bunch of evil, God-hating monsters who are suffering from an evil, anti-God disease that can only be cured through loving Jesus and brainwashing.
Then again, you do not give a literal damn about fairness, balance, truth, or accuracy, FL. But, your pitiful attempts at propagating this illusion makes you look pitifully pathetic, on top of being blatantly hypocritical.
I’d suppressed the knowledge of your revolting sexual bigotry, Flawd. You really are a sorry excuse for a human being.
BTW, how’s it going with your repudiation of faith killing? I bet you’re still standing tall with the murderous loons in Oregon, right?
I thought so.
FL calibration.
FL has confirmed he believes that the god directed slaughter of children and selling of daughters as sex slaves as plainly described in the inerrant bible (see below) are examples of the unconditionally loving and ethical morals of his inerrant bible god (FL has no problem with these passages).
Ezekiel 9:5-6 ‘As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children,…” ‘
Exodus 21:7-11 “And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. If he selects her for his son,…”
From a morals and rationality perspective, FL’s ability to hold these contradictory positions should be considered when interpreting all of FL’s posts.
I bet FL’s idea of “teaching the strengths and weaknesses of Evolution” would be as follows:
1) Teach that Evolution is not only false, but all examples of it are evil hoaxes staged by evil, God-hating scientists who worship Evolution as an evil demon-god.
2) Trot out as many debunked Creationist objections, ignoring the fact that they have all been debunked, or exposed as lies.
3) Teach that Charles Darwin was the father of Evil, high priest and homosexual lover of Satan, and was made into a bible.
4) Teach that Evolution is the root of all evils in the world, having inspired Slavery, Racism, Nazism, Communism, Antisemitism, Homosexuality, Atheism, Satanism, Islam, Murder, Democrats, Liberals, and itchy, tacky-looking Christmas sweaters.
5) Teach that Intelligent Design is really a science and not at all religious in nature, though, FL will conveniently forget to explain why or how beyond mentioning his fabled “3 plank theory.”
6) Teach that FL’s personal interpretation of the Bible is the only way to Salvation, and God will punish anyone for even the slightest disagreement with death by fire, then an eternity of rape and barbeque sauce in Hell.
7) Neglect to teach the “strengths of Evolution,” as a) it would contradict everything FL has taught so far, b) FL dismisses all “strengths of Evolution” as being the evil pipedreams of evil, God-hating scientists, and most importantly, c) there would be no more time in the school year to do anyhow.
Ironically, while FL believes people should be punished for homosexuality, he hypocritically feels that it is unfair to kill people for eating pork, shellfish, or meat with dairy, or kill people for wearing polyester, despite the fact that the Bible clearly advocates such punishments.
Two quickie notes:
Don’t forget Stanton, you have indicated that you’re against “Lying For Jesus”, so be careful not to indulge here.
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How would you answer this particular question?
FL
Unlike you, I do not use my faith in Jesus as an excuse or reason to lie.
You revel in your bigotry, and you declare in your so-called lesson plan that homosexuals are evil and have “toxic” relationships. Do you think we should give you the benefit of the doubt to assume that you do not want homosexuals punished or removed from society? Like the way they punish homosexuals in places like Uganda or Nazi Germany?
I would decline. After all, you repeatedly demonstrate that you are not interested, at all, in debate, intelligent or otherwise. All you are interested in is looking for a captive audience to preach your Lies For Jesus at.
I also noticed you didn’t say anything about my educated guess at how you would teach “critical-thinking skills” about Evolution. I based it from what you’ve told us in your trolling, after all.
So Flawd, still masturbating over fantasies of hell? How’s your vision of us atheists roasting on barbecue spits?
You’re a sicko, pal. Have you ever been arrested?
Well, lately it seems I’ve become more liberal about such things. I’m now willing to accept that maybe you’ll get a choice of Heinz 57 or even Kraft Sandwich-Spread, if you prefer.
But perhaps it’s not MY vision of hell that you would want to discuss. A science-loving person like yourself may prefer a more serious, science-based treatment. So here’s a reprint of a recent story from the Telegraph’s science correspondent Robert Matthews. See what you think about it:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.co[…]_of_hell.htm
No. But I did get a parking ticket last year.
FL
Why should this come as a surprise? The Government has asked science journals to censor all criticism of evolutionary theory for years for fear that it will trigger a public backlash. Little by little the truth, which is out there, is slowly coming out.
What are you going to do now, FL?
You’ve just confirmed that your idea of “fair and balanced teaching of critical-thinking skills” is to preach lies, bigotry and propaganda.
What sort of self-respecting college or university would deign to accept a student who was taught that science and evolution are synonymous with Satanism? Besides unaccredited Christian diploma mills, that is.
Oh, good. We’re awfully proud of your getting your articles published, then! Not only did you do exemplary *science*, you managed to sneak it past those awful, mean, old government censors. Power to the people!
Each article Atheistoclast publishes is one step closer to coming into academic power, when he can then round up all of the people he hates, and have them publicly tortured and executed for his amusement.
So either Joe has not published any articles that actually challenge modern evolutionary theory, or there is no conspiracy as he claims. EIther way, he is once again shown up for the lying hypocrite that he is. Man, this guy can’t even seem to keep his story straight.
So Flawd, how come you’re not trumpeting the good news? Cindy Jacobs says she miraculously reversed a hysterectomy! There’s your proof!
Except for the utter absence of any evidence for the claim, of course.
Flawd, do you believe that a hysterectomy can be miraculously reversed? Of course you do. You don’t even need to wait for a report on Unsolved Mysteries.
You’re a gullible, murderous fool, Flawd, because you swallow such crap whole and you stand shoulder to shoulder with the faith killers in Oregon.
From the article:
“One comforting finding to emerge from the few cases Mr Lawrence has tracked down is a lack of any link between negative [Near Death Experiences] and a misspent life.”
Doesn´t that undermine your argument that accepting evolution leads to damnation?
A lot of things undermine FL’s alleged argument that accepting evolution leads to automatic damnation.
Like, for example, the Bible never says so, or that Charles Darwin never was an atheist even after writing “On the Origin of Species,” or that all books ever written about Evolutionary Biology say absolutely nothing about being or become evil, or that there are hundreds of millions of Christians who have absolutely no problem with accepting Jesus Christ as their Savior, while simultaneously assuming that evolution is true and occurs.
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