Samsung NX200 Hands-on Preview

September 2011 | Richard Butler and Andy Westlake


Preview based on a pre-production NX200 with firmware 0.84

The Samsung NX200 is the company's fifth NX camera but only the third body design, and represents a significant step up for the series. It's built around a completely new 20.3MP APS-C CMOS sensor and wrapped in the series' first all-metal body. The result is a handsome camera of similar size to Sony's NEX models but one that takes a rather different approach.

Rather than offering a super-simplified interface for users upgrading from point-and-shoots, then a very different approach for more experienced photographers wanting to use the PASM modes, Samsung's NX200 has a single, consistent interface across all modes. The company appears to believe that a well-designed interface can be approachable to beginners without limiting the potential for more experienced users. To this end, it has refreshed its user interface, adding a simple interactive control screen that it calls 'Smart Panel,' which offers clear and quick access to all the key shooting settings.

Then there's the exterior styling, which the company describes as 'Retro Modern.' To us it looks like a more advanced take on the design of the company's NV100HD compact: classy, under-stated and distinct. It's a great improvement on the slightly unlovable NX100, which looked less like it had been styled and more like the NX10's internals had been dipped in molten plastic. Instead the NX200 has a sleek black metal body with a soft-feel paint coating to the grip that give a real impression of quality.

Underneath it all, the NX200 becomes the first in the series to step away from the 14.6MP sensor that can trace its history back to the chip used in the Pentax K20D/Samsung GX20. The latest sensor uses completely new architecture that includes integrated analogue-to-digital conversion (an approach Sony has used for some time now) that is intended to reduce noise.

In addition to the new silicon, Samsung has also re-worked the key elements that go in front of it - a redesigned color filter array to offer greater sensitivity and revised microlenses with smaller gaps between them to boost light capture, placed closer to the sensor so that they can better deal with the light reaching the edge of the sensor at very oblique angles from wide-angle lenses. The NX200 also features a lighter optical low-pass (anti-aliasing) filter and advanced moiré-suppression processing.

On the video side of things, the NX200 gains 1080p30 video capability and increased control over exposure in movie mode, when compared with the NX100. The NX200 hasn't just gained direct access to movie shooting, it's gained M and S exposure modes when in the dedicated movie mode.

Samsung NX200 specification highlights

  • 20.3MP APS-C CMOS sensor
  • ISO 160-12800
  • 1080p30 HD video
  • 7 fps continuous shooting
  • Clip-on external flash supplied
  • 641k dot VGA-equivalent 3" OLED screen

Compared to the Samsung NX100

 

Samsung NX200

Samsung NX100
Sensor 20.3MP APS-C CMOS • 14.6MP APS-C CMOS
Body construction • Magnesium Alloy/Plastic • Plastic
Maximum shooting rate • 7fps (up to 11 JPEG) • 3fps (up to 10 JPEG)
ISO Range • 100-12,800 • 100-6400
Accessory connector • No • Yes
Image processing 10 Smart Filters + 13 Magic Frames • 7 Smart Filters
Video • 1080p30 720p30
Video exposure modes • P,A,S,M • P,A
Battery life (CIPA standard) • 320 shots • 420 shots

Compared to the NEX 5N

The Samsung isn't quite as cut-into as the NEX-5N but, overall, the two aren't massively dissimilar in size.
The NEX is smaller than the NX in every dimension, though, so overall its volume is smaller. The Sony kit zoom is also smaller than the Samsung 18-55mm OIS. The NX200 does offer a standard hotshoe, however, which the NEX doesn't. The NEX, in return, can fit an electronic viewfinder, which the Samsung can't.
The NX uses its additional size to offer a more conventional control layout. The screen is also larger (they're both 3.0 inches diagonally, but the NX200's has an aspect ratio of 4:3 whereas the NEX-5N's is 16:9).


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Comments

Giul1984
By Giul1984 (Dec 29, 2011 at 12:48:54 GMT)

So....what is the actual ISO? On the intro page under highlights you say its 160-12800 and right underneath that in the comparison to the nx100 you say 100-12800. On the body & design page you say its 200-12800. That's a pretty important spec don't you think to be this inaccurate about?

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Prime_Lens
By Prime_Lens (Dec 28, 2011 at 16:27:42 GMT)

It's 16mm f/2.4, not f/2.8.

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marcdewit
By marcdewit (Dec 26, 2011 at 13:47:00 GMT)

Where is the viewfinder ? That would make it hot

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SteveNunez
By SteveNunez (Dec 16, 2011 at 22:12:36 GMT)

Too bad about the "mic in" omission- almost bought it- but I need to have mic in!

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dvdny
By dvdny (Dec 20, 2011 at 16:27:16 GMT)

Good point about Mic In, but even if it had those, the converters would be lo-grade anyway. You're better off getting a separate audio in device (Zoom), with its better converters and processing.

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MPA1
By MPA1 (Nov 14, 2011 at 20:05:11 GMT)

Unless it has a proper viewfinder, no camera will be finding it's way into my bag!

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Nov 25, 2011 at 00:03:00 GMT)

why waste your time reading an article about an ILC camera then?

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Infared
By Infared (Dec 1, 2011 at 03:32:32 GMT)

Because most ILC's do HAVE a proper viewfinder. It's ridiculous that you have to chimp with a camera system. duh.

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photo perzon
By photo perzon (Nov 13, 2011 at 13:34:51 GMT)

whats with the white skin tones on that guy in the sun?

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (Nov 10, 2011 at 20:52:53 GMT)

I am in this European city (the Webmaster can tell which one) and the Samsung reps are here at the local store showing their wares. There is a big sale going on, too. NX200 with two lenses, the 30mm pancake along with the zoom lens, altogether for about $700 (this includes the 20% VAT). I cannot resist putting my hands on them, ready to buy.

NX200 would not autofocus when the lens was fully extended or close to it. It was okay when retracted, but neither myself or the rep could make it right. Wanting to buy I asked the rep if he could have it working by tomorrow but he was noncommittal.

Then I tried the NX11. I could not get the EVF to turn on until I pressed very close to it. It was then that I realized it was because of my glasses that the sensor would not kick in. I then remembered dpreview chastizing Lumix G3 for substituting a proximity sensor with a plain switch. SO, I am giving G3 a big point while subtracting a point from the dpreview team.

I shoot with my hat on, too.

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645D
By 645D (Nov 13, 2011 at 19:54:31 GMT)

That's great price, about $600 before VAT(tourists get a VAT refund when leaving, right?). When will Samsung bring this deal to the States?

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magrawij
By magrawij (Nov 14, 2011 at 18:16:20 GMT)

which city? please?

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (Nov 14, 2011 at 19:50:16 GMT)

Prague, Czech Republic. FotoSkoda store downtown. They have diff manuf reps every week running up to Christmas. Sony this week, Nikon next. Sony's special is NEX-C3 w/18-55 plus a free DCS-S3000 for $750 (incl. VAT).

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (Nov 14, 2011 at 20:01:36 GMT)

Re 645D comment:
Yes, VAT is refundable but you have to have a specific form filled out right at the retailer. Then you need the receipt and (of course) the goods to show at the Customs. Oh, Czechs don't have Euros.

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Lng0004
By Lng0004 (Nov 9, 2011 at 21:19:11 GMT)

The new RAW samples are amazing. Just as good as the NEX-5N at a higher resolution!

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sderdiarian
By sderdiarian (Nov 26, 2011 at 15:06:40 GMT)

They compare very well to the 5N's at higher ISO's. What Samsung needs now is improved JPEG processing and this camera could move to the head of the class given their selection of primes.

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mactheweb
By mactheweb (Nov 5, 2011 at 23:46:47 GMT)

Got an opportunity to handle but not shoot one. Seems very well made. It is about the same weight as the NEX 5N, and functionally the same size. What's a huge positive for Samsung is that they've put out some good pancake primes.

Sony is making some great camera bodies but, honestly, there isn't a single good NEX lens. Yes, the Zeiss 50mm is a sharp lens but it's too heavy and large for the format. Samsung has been quietly making a usable range of primes that turn the camera into a real contender for street/travel photography. I've seen images from the NX 10 with the 30mm and am impressed. It's reasonably priced, too. With the 16 and 20 primes, the NX 200 seems like a viable choice, if the sensor is up to snuff.

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Camp Freddy
By Camp Freddy (Oct 29, 2011 at 23:12:04 GMT)

I Think Samsung have been the dark horse in this race. With a bigger sensor nikon maybe NeXT year milc cameras are going large!

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Tord S Eriksson
By Tord S Eriksson (Oct 28, 2011 at 23:07:51 GMT)

Been a Pentax fan for quite a while, but a decent mirrorless camera they have not! So tomorrow I'll collect a Sony NEX-5N, which I find a far better than the NX200! Not least when doing video and photographing with high ISO!

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sensibill
By sensibill (Nov 11, 2011 at 17:01:05 GMT)

NX200 RAW is on par with the 5N at higher ISO. Better shadow falloff (NEX blacks are boosted/cooked IMO), better noise characteristic, more resolution to work with. 5N has one crappy pancake, mediocre zooms and one good Zeiss that's expensive and costs $1K. Not my idea of a good lens lineup. 50mm is huge, too (and has yet to be tested).

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Juraj Lacko
By Juraj Lacko (Oct 28, 2011 at 00:18:07 GMT)

Pricewise is nx200 little bit too much for me to pay. I was looking for some second smaller camera with largest possible sensor. Instead of waiting for nx200 I might get much cheaper nx100 and buy nice leather half case with grip for it. Also 20-50mm lens suits this small body size better even if i will have to walk a bit more to frame.

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David R Stout
By David R Stout (Oct 27, 2011 at 07:38:30 GMT)

top quark said "Live view is a perfectly valid way to compose a picture ... Yes, there are people who prefer an eye-level optical viewfinder but that is merely a matter of taste."

I don't think it comes down to 'taste' when I can't see the LCD when on the beach or skiing in the mountains. Using an optical viewfinder may not be fashionable but it's certainly practical in many situations. This is why I think Fuji are doing so well with their X-series - practical controls and usable viewfinders combined with good image quality.

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sensibill
By sensibill (Nov 11, 2011 at 17:04:13 GMT)

What's practical for you isn't objectively better for everyone. I wear glasses and rarely use any form of VF. The NX AMOLED is usable in all but direct midday sunlight and I have no problem with it, except I wish Samsung would offer swivel/tilt.

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jc52e53
By jc52e53 (Oct 27, 2011 at 00:36:18 GMT)

Sounds like a nice little camera. I do not care about the looks and proportions just on how it operates and on the photos it take. I rather have an eyepiece or EV but the Hoodman video setup will work nice. I will wait for the DXO rating first to judge where this camera is in relations to others in its class. The next 2 cameras coming out are NX20 with an EV which will be almost identical and the NX1 which will be their top camera with an EV the same sensor and higher ISO and perhaps FPS.
Samsung is going alkl out to outperform Nukon. They can be a contender if the noise is low and ISO is high and the EV is as fast as the NEX7 or faster. They will have a slew of new lenses soon.

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top quark
By top quark (Oct 25, 2011 at 09:16:52 GMT)

Somewhat annoyed by all the prejudicial comments here.

Unless paired with a pancake lens, no CSC is actually pocketable. But why would you want to carry something that cost you hundreds of pounds in a pocket? You'd want a small shoulder bag or belt pouch, surely?

No, it has no viewfinder. Live view is a perfectly valid way to compose a picture - it's the photographic equivalent of a WYSIWYG word processor. Yes, there are people who prefer an eye-level optical viewfinder but that is merely a matter of taste. If a viewfinder is a necessity, this camera isn't for you. Check out the NX11 instead.

20MP may be more than you need, but Samsung are certainly capable of making good sensors. Pixel density is still way lower than the Nikon V1, for example, or the LX5.

The whole point of CSCs is to give you the optical performance you want without the bulk that you don't. With their APS-C sensors, well thought-out interfaces and reasonable pricing, the NX series is well worth considering.

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BJN
By BJN (Nov 11, 2011 at 03:19:50 GMT)

No, a viewfinder isn't simply a matter of taste. Shooting with an eye-level viewfinder is more stable and it's vastly superior when you're using the camera with bright ambient lighting.

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sensibill
By sensibill (Nov 11, 2011 at 17:08:50 GMT)

A VF is indeed a matter of taste. Some of us wear glasses and don't really enjoy pressing our eye 'lenses' to another. 'Vastly superior' is an exaggeration -- the AMOLED is fine for most lighting conditions, even outdoors in sunlight.

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Delboy1940
By Delboy1940 (Nov 25, 2011 at 00:12:57 GMT)

I wear glasses and I prefer an VF

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JesperMP
By JesperMP (Oct 23, 2011 at 11:59:49 GMT)

I have handled the NX200 in a shop, and have to say that I really didn't like its "grip". Simply felt very uncomfortable. Its odd wedge shape does not allow you to get a good hold onto the camera.
The NEX-5 and NEX-7 on the other hand does it simply perfect in this respect.
A shame really. I just know I could never love this camera with the uncomfortable grip, despite its other qualities. Ironically, Samsung NX has more of the lenses that Sony NEX lack.

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PeteWright
By PeteWright (Oct 23, 2011 at 01:32:50 GMT)

I have been testing the prototype of the Samsung NX200 for the last several weeks and have taken it into every imaginable scenario. I have shot Division ! Football, Weddings, Fashion, Commercial, Studio, Off Camera Flash Location and more with it. I can honestly say that I have been pleasantly surprised by its performance and have had multiple scenarios where it out performed my pro DSLR set up. It isn't going to replace my normal system but it is a great supplement and over the weeks that I have used it have found several scenarios where it was actually my preferred camera because of its performance. It is one of those cameras that the more you shoot with it and the more you get used to it and learn its features the more you enjoy it. There are a few features they could add in with software updates that would make this camera a major all star and at the end of the day if software upgrades can do that then the hardware must be pretty stout.

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sony1799
By sony1799 (Oct 27, 2011 at 19:54:34 GMT)

Can you post a link so some sample images you took with this camera?

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Nov 2, 2011 at 01:45:28 GMT)

What's your "pro dslr setup"?

"Pro" could be D40 and 55-200 or a Leica with a 50mm. The right gear for the situation is what really defines "pro" gear. An 4x5 with a better light back is pro gear that you can't shoot' sports with.

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Joseph T Lewis III
By Joseph T Lewis III (Oct 19, 2011 at 21:29:54 GMT)

Lack of an articulated LCD makes it a non-starter for me. Too bad; it looks pretty good otherwise.

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GirinoFumetto
By GirinoFumetto (Oct 18, 2011 at 16:53:40 GMT)

It's very hard to judge the quality of a camera with samples like those. I think that the pleasantness of a photo can influence the evaluation. Apart from that, I'm noticing that these cameras are trying to near characteristic that time ago were typical of a P&S and this is a very pity but probably is only a sign of the times.

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vincentnyc
By vincentnyc (Oct 12, 2011 at 19:47:04 GMT)

I'm trying to find out how fast the autofocus really is on the NX200.

My interests are street photography and pet photography, so autofocus speed is essential. Of course, higher ISO (low light low noise) performance is also a key as that essentially is the same as having a faster lens.

May I know if anyone knows how fast the autofocus really is? How responsive? This is still a contrast detection autofocus system so it really can't be as fast as a phase detect autofocus system's speed, right?

Thanks in advance.

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rinkos
By rinkos (Oct 8, 2011 at 20:21:37 GMT)

heee just a Nex wannabe ..good thing about it is that they will keep sony's guys on their toes ..good for us :)

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sensibill
By sensibill (Nov 11, 2011 at 17:13:39 GMT)

Sony fanboy silliness. The NX10, E-Pens and GF series all predate the NEX. If anything, SONY is the latecomer to the MILC market.

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sderdiarian
By sderdiarian (Nov 13, 2011 at 06:57:26 GMT)

Sony NEX 5N currently has the sensor to beat, but their lens line-up is poor both in terms of range as well as size/weight of those few lenses they have available.

The NX 200 appears to now have a very credible sensor with higher resolution than the 5N along with a beautiful and very user friendly design. Add to this a compelling line-up of lenses that continues to grow, especially their small and light primes, and it has jumped to the top of my list of mirrorless cameras. The only real weakness is their inexplicable taking away of the option of using an EVF.

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aeolos
By aeolos (Oct 7, 2011 at 21:39:35 GMT)

great camera.
better image details than sony nex7 and also better high iso.

and samsung has the best lens line ups with really nice prime lenses like the 30mm f2.. sony just has the crappy kit lenses and 16mm prime which is quite a lot more expensive than the samsung 16mm

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marvinK798
By marvinK798 (Oct 2, 2011 at 23:23:41 GMT)

no viewfinder, fixed screen.
just only live view mode camera,
Nothing better than DSLR,
but it's price is higher.
Colors seems like painted
Sharpness too strong

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marvinK798
By marvinK798 (Oct 2, 2011 at 23:17:22 GMT)

no viewfinder
just only live view mode camera,
Nothing better than DSLR,
but it's price is higher.
Colors seems like painted
Sharpness too strong

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rurikw
By rurikw (Sep 28, 2011 at 15:37:31 GMT)

Seems like a nice camera where they got most things right. But then they spoil it with a fixed screen! Incredible!

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steveh0607
By steveh0607 (Sep 26, 2011 at 11:31:24 GMT)

The small APS cameras are unbalanced. They're all lens. Shrinking the body is a good think but shrink the sensor so the body/lens will be balanced. The m4/3 body/lens combination works better. No, I don't own either. This is just an observation.

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Bjorn_L
By Bjorn_L (Sep 27, 2011 at 18:52:34 GMT)

Right on Steve. A small camera is only small if both the lens and body are small. A tiny camera with a requirement for comparitivly huge lenses is a poor approach. It is not small. It is just a really ergonomically challeged DSLR competitor and will have roughly the same size kit as real DSLR which has the benifit of much better controls and ergonomics.
I do not like the Nikon 1 series (over priced, etc), but that is the right direction to go. Something which splits the difference between DSLRS and P&S cameras.
For now the best solution is the Panasonic or Olympus approach which while not super small are at least smaller than most DSLRs in both body and lenses.

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forpetessake
By forpetessake (Oct 3, 2011 at 19:00:33 GMT)

Yes, it's a dead end, the lenses are the limiting factor of APS systems. The only real way to shrink the size of the whole system is by shrinking the sensor. MFT seems to be the optimal right now -- for most people the size of the palm of their hand is the most comfortable form factor.

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BackInTheGame
By BackInTheGame (Oct 9, 2011 at 13:03:39 GMT)

"The m4/3 body/lens combination works better."

You would think so, but IMO it doesn't work out that way using the kit lens. Unless it is parked I can't see any advantage of the E-P3 over the NEX. In fact, the Olympus must be carried by wrapping your left hand around the lens (if you don't want to drop it) whereas the Sony can be carried in the shooting hand because the grip is so much better. Very secure. I would expect the smaller m4/3 cameras to be more awkward than the E-P3. I'm sure that the m4/3 really shine with small pancake lenses, but many of us want the versatility of a zoom, and that is where the NEX wins out. The kit zoom really amplifies the poor low light ability of all the m4/3 offerings.

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rurikw
By rurikw (Oct 14, 2011 at 13:24:15 GMT)

I have no firsthand experience of MILC ergonomy but the way to hold an ILC is to grip the body with your right hand and the lens with your left one. With bigger lenses most of the weight is on your left hand. It is a kind of automatic adaptation. The argument for big sensor MILC's over DSLR's is the superior shooting control and versatility provided by live view and variangle screen while retaining professional IQ + mechanical simplification from lack of mirror + no need for retrofocus design on WA lenses. Smaller size is a minor fringe benefit. I agree that if small size is important, you should go for the likes of Nikon 1

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kwojdyna
By kwojdyna (Sep 24, 2011 at 23:32:19 GMT)

I cannot believe that!

They were on a trail to improve a great camera as NX100 really is. Probably better sensor, ergonomic body shape with nice feel of materials used and what most important - compact, camera-powered flash unit instead of the total flap what NEF15 really was.

I bought NX100 as it had the best colours on the market besides Nikon D90, D700 and D3... Other than colours, JPG processing of NEX or PEN was slightly better, but overall - images from NX100 were best choice. And you could still use RAW's to avoid it's image processing weaknesses, though in most almost all situations they did not show up at all.

So I got excited when saw NX200 announcement and... disappointed a lot.

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kwojdyna
By kwojdyna (Sep 24, 2011 at 23:32:42 GMT)

WHERE A HELL IS A DIRECT WHITE BALANCE BUTTON FROM NX100???
WHERE IS THE AUTO EXPOSURE LOCK FROM IT?
Can't they understand that ISO, WB, EXP. are the most important and most used functions? It is THEM what made NX100 a camera with such big percentage of good shots more than anything else. Even my mom did not afraid to use them whilst she did not have to bother with menus, setups etc.

They also moved locations of Disp. and AF buttons - what for - to make NX100 users make mistakes all the time?

Why would I buy it now?

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t_omer
By t_omer (Sep 24, 2011 at 18:22:59 GMT)

It sounds nice. I'm pretty close too buy. It depends form sensor.

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attomole
By attomole (Sep 16, 2011 at 11:59:34 GMT)

I keep picking these things up in camera stores, and whatever the spec or make two things bother me, were is the viewfinder, and although compact you still have to cary a bag to keep it in. So why not get an SLR so you can do sport and wildlife as well.

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Piggy the bad
By Piggy the bad (Oct 22, 2011 at 16:32:19 GMT)

I totally agree. I have Pentax K10 which with the battery pack is a big beast. Thought of something smaller but cant get my head around not having a viewfinder & csc's are not pocketable. I have just however bought my daughter a Pentax Kr and it is awesome. ok its a dslr but a compact one with all the features you need and superb image quality.

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Privateye
By Privateye (Sep 14, 2011 at 15:06:16 GMT)

For those of you who are talking about a size fit to call compact and good to pocket it around while travelling should look at Samsung WB750. Bear with it for a couple of months.

Nothing to complain for it has an 18X optical & 24X smart zoom, 24~432mm equivalent. No bulky lens like the NX200 or NEX series. Some preview says that it has an OLED while an LCD would be the only set back. A build-in flash good for 13ft. 12.5 megapxl, APS-CMOS BSI sensor plus full HD video. 10fps burst, 24mm wide angle, HDR, 3D & live panorama. No GPS.

Cant ask for more with so many up-to-date features. It is one to carry around light and easy, thats all. I truly wish that with all the right features & a latest sensor type, it gives us a reasonable good quality image. What is there more to ask for from a reasonably priced compact? Dont expect it to make you a pro out of it. It is a level not to compare with that of a pro unit. Pray that the image quality is good and we will have nothing else to complain.

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MysticX
By MysticX (Sep 13, 2011 at 08:22:13 GMT)

I really can't understand why they release such cameras with the 18-55 lens as the default kit. That's stupid. Such a combo negates all the advantage of the ultra small slim pocketable body.

The selling kit should be with the 30mm prime and special kits maybe with the 20-50, 20mm prime and other 2 lens kits.

But, perhaps their marketing department said no, sell it with the much bigger 18-50 to make it look more professional.

Indeeed, it's hard to sell a tiny camera that looks almost like a basic P&S with $800, even if it's good. Better to sell it with stupid matched optics but sell it.

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N13L5
By N13L5 (Sep 24, 2011 at 15:59:05 GMT)

part of the reason I haven't bought any CSC yet is the stupid kit lenses... its incredibly annoying. A 30mm pancake kit would earn my money pretty quick. I just refuse to buy these retarded big and heavy zooms, that are no use to me.

If manufacturers are really worried about needing a bug ugly lens on CSC's to make them look "more professional" I guess their opinion of customers in that price segment is very low, like customers are an-alphabets.

But really, its the same price segment as a D5100, which I'd also hate to have to buy with a big crappy zoom. We're just hoping to gain portability in exchange for less convenient operation, while retaining as much IQ as possible.

Wider market will buy those smaller things if the reviews are good, not based on how many inches the lens protrudes. Maybe save for those who think its a phallic symbol :P

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Duckie
By Duckie (Sep 10, 2011 at 10:06:43 GMT)

Just look at the sample photos, the edges. It hurts your eyes. Sensor may be good, the lenses do not seem to do the sensor justice. Culprit may be the small size (architectural limits??) Technology may enable the smallest body to be built but optics require the lenses to be of at least of a certain size (unless the sensor can be made smaller and still be good enough to marvel at).

Also the rubish optics in use has requires a lot of image processing to happen and the photos looks too much processed. People have to pay much differences compared with point and shoot and yet get less different in quality. Is this a good deal?

Look at what this mirror lense market has landed itself into? Let's hope there is some new architectural recipies coming up!

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offertonhatter
By offertonhatter (Sep 6, 2011 at 20:49:28 GMT)

20MP and APS-C? Well we said 10MP and APS-C? 14MP and APS-C? and 16MP and APS-C! Look at the D7000 and K-5! Personally I will reserve judgement until the final production firmware is done, but the ISO3200 shots do seem a lot better than the NX100 shots.
Now for the camera. I think Samsung have sorted the biggest issue of the NX100, and thats its handling. Metal body and a grip means less likely for it to slip out of your hands.
Shame still no EVF plugin, but if it is a backup camera with the K mount adapter on it, it could be a great back-up to my K-5. The NEX-7 will be twice the price (albeit a very fine CSC) but bangs for the buck, the NX200 might just be a bargain. We shall see.

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Germoe
By Germoe (Sep 7, 2011 at 13:15:19 GMT)

20mpx not a problem, the problem is 60MB RAW. It is not acceptable sacrifice for this resolution. 9,3MB is enough for A4 photos.
http://www.samsung.com/global/nx/#/specifications
If it has a 12-bit A/D converter, why are they twice larger than would be necessary for an uncompressed file?

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Csaba Farkas
By Csaba Farkas (Sep 6, 2011 at 20:08:14 GMT)

20 MP and APS-C? Give us a break! That resolution is a tough test even to some of the Canon pro zooms on the 5D MII. 18 MP full frame is the moment of truth to some of the older M lenses on a Leica M9. I can't bear to imagine the visual mayhem of this 3.5-5-6 popcorn kit lens and small sensor combo.

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sensibill
By sensibill (Nov 11, 2011 at 17:18:22 GMT)

What's wrong with a 20MP APS-C? JPEGs have NR on (adjustable) but RAW looks on par with the much-touted NEX-5N. Only at ISO-6400+ (boosted, overprocessed) does it start looking nasty.

Lower sensor density than a Nikon 1 or LX5... What's so terrible?

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hotinaz
By hotinaz (Sep 6, 2011 at 17:32:48 GMT)

Where is the viewfinder, by like trying to take sports pictures with a 4x5 view camera. Hunk of junk.

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D R C
By D R C (Sep 20, 2011 at 07:56:40 GMT)

Nice comment! Totaly agree.

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citrontokyo
By citrontokyo (Sep 23, 2011 at 07:02:55 GMT)

I third the motion.

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409novaman
By 409novaman (Nov 27, 2011 at 16:12:00 GMT)

I'll +4 that motion!

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Aleo Veuliah
By Aleo Veuliah (Sep 5, 2011 at 20:43:14 GMT)

The camera looks good and well built, this one have magnesium, this system is ok and I prefer it to the Sony Nex, but the lens in both systems are big

Micro 4/3 system is a better option with Panasonic Lumix and Olympus Systems, with a more mature system and more and better lenses, besides that Micro 4/3 is smaller

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Germoe
By Germoe (Sep 3, 2011 at 15:10:21 GMT)

Some informations about RAW file size?

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Nikonworks
By Nikonworks (Sep 3, 2011 at 13:23:47 GMT)

i will pass on this. my tl500 is more functional for my purposes.

And toshiba coming out with their wifi card will make my tl500 a wifi camera.

can't wait.

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lifelibertyproperty
By lifelibertyproperty (Sep 3, 2011 at 12:11:48 GMT)

why would anyone buy one of these? Sony and the others look better...and there was no attempt to make it look retro. I don't get it. A dead end system at introduction. Reminds me of the failed HP tablet experiment.

Bring on the Nikon 4/3rds...although I'll wait a few years for Nikon to release the next version.

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Lng0004
By Lng0004 (Sep 5, 2011 at 16:21:28 GMT)

I think the NX200 fits nicely between the NEX-5N and 7. Price wise and feature wise. Has the dials and the hot-shoe that the NEX-5N are missing while having a decent sensor.

That being said, I'll still get an NEX-7.

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tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Sep 15, 2011 at 01:50:25 GMT)

Because the E mount currently has not such a great lineup of lenses?

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tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Sep 15, 2011 at 01:50:25 GMT)

Because the E mount currently has not such a great lineup of lenses?

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snake_b
By snake_b (Sep 3, 2011 at 11:49:40 GMT)

Unless they fix their customer support for the camera division, even down to their utterly disorganized, afterthoughtesque firmware releases, this will not be worth the price and it will be better to wait until it goes bargain basement in pricing like the 10 and 100 and EX1 have. They do some decent stuff and I own two Samsungs, but they are dreadfully behind on not only firmware, but even releasing firmware, rather than us scrounging the internet and not knowing what's in it, or if we'll get bricked.

Personally, I'd never buy a Samsung until it goes on closeout, a precedent they established themselves.

If they could make real technical support, real people that answer questions, and not facebook after facebook page where they delete customer complaints (because there's no other way to contact them), and not wasting time on fakes pretending on this forum and elsewhere to be independent of the company, then it would be worth looking into.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 3, 2011 at 07:57:27 GMT)

i own three samsung monitors, all where cheap and work perfect.
but i will never buy a digital camera without a viewfinder. i think designwise its pretty, like the new sony nex, that fortunately has a viewfinder.

but as long as there are manufacturers like nikon, fuji, ricoh or even canon (iam a nikon shooter^^) i wont buy a camera from a company like samsung.

if the big camera manufacturers would behave like sony, THEN i will buy from samsung. 
even buying cameras from panasonic seams strange to me. they are a TV company^^

 why on earth should i buy a camera from a TV company??

we all learned that it takes more then a few engineers and a lot of money to make cameras.

its nice looking though and i hope the big companies have good reasons for waiting so long.

i hope the nikon mirrorless shoots motion png at 12bit raw with its 16mm size

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RandomMarius
By RandomMarius (Sep 3, 2011 at 01:39:11 GMT)

Is it also limited to 30 minutes of video?

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409novaman
By 409novaman (Nov 27, 2011 at 16:17:30 GMT)

Government created the 30 minute limit with taxing policies.
Too bad that they can't keep out of a market.

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nofumble
By nofumble (Sep 3, 2011 at 00:19:20 GMT)

Sorry Samsung. I would consider NEX-7 before NX-200 unless you can leak an image of an NX-20 with EVF.

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keysmith
By keysmith (Sep 2, 2011 at 22:22:45 GMT)

details look impressive at low iso.

..at high iso it doesn't look that good but we should first compare it with other dslr to decide. These 3200 pics is real life high iso image with really low light. Studio comparison (a lot more light) will sow how it compares with competition. Samsung was never that good when it comes to noise. I hope this model will make some difference. let's then wait for dpreview proper tests..

At least it has good detail and it is pretty as well.

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Rickard Hansson
By Rickard Hansson (Sep 2, 2011 at 18:28:49 GMT)

God damn, that noise at iso 3200 is so usgly.
I am not impressed of the output quality of that sensor.

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Charles Babbage
By Charles Babbage (Sep 2, 2011 at 18:13:27 GMT)

I am old fashioned I am afraid. These gimmicks without a viewfinder and a body no one wants to hold are for geeks. A camera is a machine to have an affair with. I can still remember my heart beat like crazy in the sight of an Olympus OM1 or a Pentax Spotmatic F. And then came the AE-1 and the A1 to be complemented by the T90. Fortunately several DSLRs are close to what a camera should feel like when being held. I personally thank Canon for this but I live in hope that more is on it's way.

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mikiev
By mikiev (Sep 2, 2011 at 17:32:52 GMT)

From page 4: "Sound recording comes courtesy of a pair of stereo microphones on the top plate, but there's no facility to use an external microphone."

Bummer.

You've given us a flash-shoe, is a mic input too much to ask for?

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harrisoncac
By harrisoncac (Sep 2, 2011 at 08:52:00 GMT)

Frankly speaking, this Samsung NX200 looks far nicer than NEX's.
Sony should take a look at their own products designed in the 1980's.
SONY used to mean sexy, nowadays it means TOYOTA or boring.
I see SONY does put a lot of efforts in the product design, but in the wrong way.

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Debankur Mukherjee
By Debankur Mukherjee (Sep 2, 2011 at 08:49:01 GMT)

These mirrorless cameras are good but not truly portable as you cannot put them in your pocket along with a lens attached to it. I would personally like to go for a full scale entry level DSLR since none of them is truly portable.

For me portable cameras are still the Powershots and Coolpix like range.....though I have to sacrifice overall quality for the compact size.

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LiSkynden
By LiSkynden (Sep 2, 2011 at 08:48:42 GMT)

Looked promising but oh blah, fixed screen :/

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