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On July 3, 2004, Ron Paul was the only Congressman to vote against a bill hailing the 40th anniversary of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. In this speech to Congress, Ron Paul courageously spoke out on the often controversial issues of race relations and affirmative action. He explained why the Civil Right Act had failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society.

Ron Paul: Mr. Speaker, I rise to explain my objection to H.Res. 676. I certainly join my colleagues in urging Americans to celebrate the progress this country has made in race relations. However, contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society. The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties. The rights of all private property owners, even those whose actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to maintain a free society.

This expansion of federal power was based on an erroneous interpretation of the congressional power to regulate interstate commerce. The framers of the Constitution intended the interstate commerce clause to create a free trade zone among the states, not to give the federal government regulatory power over every business that has any connection with interstate commerce.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business’s workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge’s defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.

Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, while I join the sponsors of H.Res. 676 in promoting racial harmony and individual liberty, the fact is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not accomplish these goals. Instead, this law unconstitutionally expanded federal power, thus reducing liberty. Furthermore, by prompting raced-based quotas, this law undermined efforts to achieve a color-blind society and increased racial strife. Therefore, I must oppose H.Res. 676.

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harddrive1919 5 pts

@regisjbeakensr THIS IS EXACTLY WHY RON PAUL, YOU, AND OTHER DUMAZZEZ AND MORONS THAT SUPPORT HIM AND GET A HARD ON WHEN HE SPEAKS WILL NEVER SNIFF THE WHITEHOUSE. HE WILL JUST CONTINUE TO SELL ALL OF YOU THE WET DREAM YOU HAVE BEEN BUYING ABOUT HOW HE HATES GOVT ALL THE WHILE HE CONTINUES TO COLLECT HIS GOVT CHECK AND HIS GOVT HEALTHCARE AND OTHER BENEFITS...LOL WHAT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS

GOOD DAY

P.S. ...YOU NEED TO GET OUT MORE AND REALIZE THAT THE COUNTRY WILL GET BROWNER AND BROWNER...LIVE WITH IT CRYBABY

regisjbeakensr 7 pts

blacks have abused the system to where whites are fed up.anyone who came here after the war gets on the band wagon for slavery. my ass. 20% of blacks have slavery heritage and many were owned

by blacks. less than 20% of whites owned blacks . italians were treated like blacks till they took over. AND MIGHT I ADD MANY WHITE MEN DIED FOR YOU OR DIXIE WOULD HAVE ONE. NORTHERN WHITES FREED YOU ASS not blacks like people are led to believe. and if i don't want to live by blacks that is my right that was taken away. and if your interracial your black.

jwpa13 6 pts

You can't pass a law making people like each other. YOUCAN pasws laws making people go to the same schools, eat at the same restraunts and live in the same areas, thus allowing people to get to know each other. . If people don't know each other HOW can they learn to love and accept each other. It's easier to hate a stranger than to like him.

regisjbeakensr 7 pts

ron paul does'nt have alzheimers i do.

regisjbeakensr 7 pts

keithline if you don't have a thought to express the issues just read and learn something you wasted a comment. i won't stoop to your level and tell you how i really feel about your comment., but if you think you hurt anyone we blew you off for what you are. sorry people too many are quite intelligent with all views having some truth to it. ty god bless peace be with you all.

McCordRM 7 pts

I agree with Ron Paul on this one.

You cannot force someone to like, or accept, someone else. Prejudice has existed, does exist, and will always exist. Every time we see, meet, or speak to someone new we get a fist impression. It's not a choice we make, it's inherent. It's human nature.

That's not to say that our first impressions are always correct, just that we should stop behaving like it's somehow immoral, or evil, to have them. What we can control, however, are our actions based upon those impressions. But that's up to the individual, not the government. I refer to #3 Freedom of Thought, in my article:

http://richardmccord.com/opinions/freedom/

kenta.takao 6 pts

I completely agree with your statement. The government can't tell when a person is being racist and by developing a law trying to just that is highly ineffective and useless. There shouldn't be a racial quota in companies but rather you get hired for your skills no matter what the color of your skin is.

regisjbeakensr 7 pts

ok i'm white and owe nobody anything i'm sick and tired of this poor me bull. how about i had to move from a town 12000 but jobs everywhere went the marines came out and they had to hire blacks to mkeep gov't jobs so a town with 3 people black had to go to the city and get blacks in our town one was mailman my mother called me on the phone all upset she says" we got one right here" i lived in south florida funnier than hel this country now discriminates against whites. how about laziness they come to work cause trouble threaten the bosses both naacp and physically i didn't put up with that kind

i put a heavy bag speed bag strike back bag and 400lbs weights if they felt froggy we would visit my toys and i would say don't ever threaten me again fired and beat same i am 5'9" 230 15% bodyfat used to be 8

keithkline79 6 pts

Hahah, you are the most unintelligible moron EVER! Simply amazing.

Kraedi 5 pts

This man has already admitted to being old, dying, having bi-polar disorder, Alzheimer's disease, and dementia, himself. So thanks, Captain Obvious. Keith, you lost an argument that you never even bothered to start. Try a bit harder in the future. You might actually change someone's mind.

keithkline79 6 pts

Who's got dementia, etc... Ron Paul or regisjbeakensr?

Kraedi 5 pts

keithkline79 quoted from regisjbeakensr "i apologize for grammer and know i put sentences toether. i have alzheimers dementia and am glad i still can do this well. as for subjects if you try you can read it. i also have bipolar where my mind races."

Ron Paul does not seem to be showing signs of Dementia, not yet.

Sorry folks, the name "Tea Party" has been commandeered by theocratic authoritarian neocons, and the historical prank's meaning has gone with it.
What we need is a NEW prank...

The Civil Rights Act is not responsible for keeping black America down. Unlimited hereditary welfare, encouraged by white leftist plantation masters, bears the primary responsibility. Post-civil rights Black Americans were on their way up before they were herded into government funded slums and encouraged to address grievances by taking "free" money.

There you go again--it's always someone else's fault. Stop blaming others (always a "victim") and making excuses for people who have no pride and are CONTENT to sit around and take federal money, have five kids by six different fathers, and not get up and contribute (only take) anything to society. Get off your ass and do an honest day's work and stop blaming other people for your faults. Stop looking to the government to solve your problems.

gusjaster 5 pts

She's saying the government CREATES problems and set Blacks up for decades of receiving free money, which in turn has instilled the laziness you speak of in many communities. You dumbass.

This is Dave, I changed my Screen Name. (You all probably could have guessed that. LOL.) Anyway:

I have a couple of ideas I'd like to throw around and see what you all think about them.

I watched the documentary about the Ron Paul Revolution, the origin of the Tea Party in 2007, and the 2007 campaign. I didn't even know about Ron Paul back then; I wish I had and I wish I was a part of the movement back then. But, I see how all the grassroots support was pretty independent, and all fun.

Idea one: I wouldn't want to take away from the creativity, the individualism, or the fun away, but I wonder, since Ron Paul is a lot more well known these days, if we who support Ron Paul and this revolution, can reform and deploy a lot more seriously this time around. I wonder if we could somehow organize nationwide boycotts of Fox News, and all companies that advertise on the Fox Network. Maybe even boycott everything that has to do with fox, even their movies. If they aren't going to take our candidate seriously, and black him out, then maybe it's time to fight fire with fire, and become a more serious revolution, a political force to be reckoned with. I'm thinking we can write a letter, and have as many as we can petition it, send it to Fox, and send a copy to every company that advertises on Fox that we intend to boycott, until our candidate gets fair and equal air time, and interviews, and we're going to be keeping track.

Idea two: Do you guys think we can start up another Tea Party, and call it something along the lines as; "The Original Ron Paul Tea Party" founded 2007.

Idea three: Does anyone think that it could be feasible to begin a nationwide 3RD Party Alliance, with all third party groups and fringe groups? Not that we are going to agree with each other on everything, but create a movement for the sole purpose of challenging the statist quo, and to bring a political fight to the establishment? Do you think that it could be possible to unite the Constitutionalist, the Libertarian Party, Green Peace, Peace and Freedom, ACLU, Free Church Movement, and others, not to embrace each others' ideologies, but just to support a fringe candidate just for the sake of finally dethroning the establishment? I wonder if there are any people out there who would be willing to engage other grass roots, third party, and fringe politic leaders and organizers in conversations to form a coalition, a Third Party Alliance.

What do you guys think?

-Patriot Dave

Spuishi, and Tammy:

Squishi,

I was going to "like" your comment, but I was trying to do it from my i-phone, and accidently like hit "dislike." Sorry about that. I had to get on my laptop to post, lol.

Yeah, I was going to like your comment, and the European guy's comment, etc., one because they are well written arguments, not mindless jabber, and also because a huge pet peeve of mine is how it seems like many folk act as if NOTHING EVER HAPPENED. I hear Fox talk radio jockys laugh at people who bring up race issues, and snicker at them, as if to say that it's all in the past, and let's forget about it, and anything we say, and everything we do, has nothing to do with race. That's bovine feces! Marry your daughter off to a big chocolate man and I'll believe you.

For example, I was listening to Fox radio in the car one day, when a black man was on the radio explaining that "Obama has the Black vote. We all know why the Blacks are going to vote for him." The talk jock, (I don't know his name) mocked him and repeated in a sarcastic voice, "Yeah, we all know why, huh. Yeah, we all know why." What is that? Why do they mock? Why is it so hard for some White people to just accept history for what it was, and the fact that racism is not dead in our country?

Speaking of marriage, however, I can not say that things are as bad as it used to be everywhere. Where I'm from, there are tons of interracial marriages and children born to these unions. There is a lot more tolerance these days. But, I would be naive to eat the pie-in-the-skie ideals of full fledged Libertarians. Yes, I do believe Dr. Paul believes a little TOO much in the inherent good-will of humanity. Unlike his stance on foriegn policy, history is not on his side concerning this issue.

Tammy:

I am BIG believer in education. I'm not that big of fan of our current public education, but like you said, it's not the same every where. I guess some places have steller education programs, and turn out bright grads, etc., while other places underperform. I do tend to trust Dr. Paul's assessment of the Dept. of Education, and its impact on public education, but I'm no expert on the subject. I do feel that publically funded schools have way too much offerings, things that perhaps could be funded privately by their parents. That said however, I would consider myself more Jeffersonian than libertarian. Jefferson believed that free education and free press would ensure a free society. If I were running for president, I would address every issue that Dr. Ron Paul is addressing, but I wouldn't touch the Civil Rights Act, and most likely investigate and reform the dept. of education and public schooling.

Dave

Something is fundamentally wrong with anyone who believes that segrgatiin was less of an infrigement on individual rights than the "forced integration" brought by the Civil Rights Act. To say that public attitudes changed and that race relations are better DESPITE the Civil Rights Act is just dumb. So White people were eventually going to say "Ya know, I think I'll let that nigra sit at my lunch counter today" or "I think it'll be good for the nigras to be able to dine in tonght instead of picking it up at the kitchen in back" or "That nigra lady looks tired, as a man I should give my front bus seat to her"... Racial strife? I think we had a Civil War over racial strife (oops I mean state's rights... to have slaves). Racial strife existed before and after integration. Google Rosewood or Black Wall Street. Revisionist history isn't cute under any political title. But the fact that the Libertarian thinks that founding fathers were the cornerstone for civil liberties when they owned slaves, and that White Only is a property rights not human rights issue... Absurd!

I've heard stories of German POW's receiving more rights than Black Soldiers during WW2. Able to seek leisure and dine places, American citizens weren't. This is a tragic circumstance. To look at that and see property rights vs. immorality is out of touch if not worse!

Not to be awful, but if given the opportunity will White Americans do the right thing in situations such as providing rights to all citizens, etc.? The answer would be no. I have rarely met a White American who does not believe they are superior based on pigment alone. It doesn't matter if it is a hillbilly from WV, there is something about Whites in America that is inherently insidious. I for one would not want to have to wait around for a bunch of White people to get a conscience and a brain for that matter for my life to change and I'm a White person albeit a transplanted European with much better fashion sense and overall taste. I digress..

I see if from the perspective of a person who is generally appalled at the anti-intellectual bent of most White Americans. Being left to your own devices rarely works out for anyone but yourselves. Try not to be too revisionist with you history you loveable Yanks.

I would say though, if I were Black in America I would NEVER trust a White person. Ever. I would smile in your face and play nice, but I would watch my back 24/7. Any minority that does otherwise seems to pay an extremely high price for that trust. As an economist, that cost is too high and the reward non-existent.

It is your country though. Whites that is. You can do whatever you will, but it won't be an easy road for you. Encouraging a return to 18th and 19th century America will prove to be more bloody than you could ever imagine. The expectation that you are going to drag America back to a time where only White males had rights is going to be your undoing. But do as you will.

Enjoy your evening and best of luck to Mr. Paul.

Cheers!

That's a heck of a way to live life, you sound like a soured white looking for a reason that has come and gone. I always been poor white trash and knew it had nothing to do with color but class. You can be snubbed or shunned by any color that "thinks" its better than you through money, celebrity status or birthing place. I been fortunate, I have acquaintances as an adult and treat them as they treat me regardless. But, I wont think of the color of their skin to have any bearing, never have. I find more reversed racism with the mentality you show towards "all" whites. I don't "owe" anyone anything through their color or persecutions as I don't resent europe for persecuting my ancestors being christians and tossed to the lions. You do realize, if it was "all" whites, these civil rights laws would never have passed to begin with? It's not a "white" country.. it's "our" country. But some on both sides have nothing better to do than promote a race issue to continue hatred. Once you put it in your mind that a man puts his pants on different than you, you allow them to make the class and separations. Maybe I have more "self" respect than normal But, I never seen a better man than me. maybe richer, poorer and in different colors, but never better for some born entitlements owed them. We all live and die no matter what class or color you call yourself. I guess that's why I support flat tax for "all" and same rights to "all" Americans bar none. Anyone that opposes this, opposes true freedoms and creates the separations.

jwpa13 6 pts

WRONG Mr. poo white trash..YOU DO owe your fellow man something. That something is respect. It is only class warfare when the underclass fights back... until then it's just the status quo... The flat tax is a great idea. A national SALES tax SUCKS as the riich can't POSSIBLY spend the same percentage of their income as the less wealthy that makes that tax regressive. I live in SE PA. 16 miles from TAX FREE Delaware. If I want to buy a high priced TV I go to delaware. If a rich guy wants a high priced yacht or airplane or whatever, he buys it in the Bahamas or someplace, "uses" it there for a while and brings it into the US as a "used item" and will pay less tax on it. If you think for a second a sales tax will work for the betterment of Americans YOU ARE NUTS. A NO DEDUCTIONS flat tax on all income (earned by sweat in a factory or by smarts on the stock market or even the OLD FASHIONED way, by inheritance, that is the way to go.

If the civil rights act had not been passed, how many more decades would it have taken for segregation to end on its own? For that matter, if the emancipation proclamation had not been signed, how long would it have been before people took it upon themselves to tire of their slave labor and hire paid employees instead? I think Mr. Paul has a lot of great thoughts, but he places way to much faith in human beings to do the right thing. If it were that simple we wouldn't need any laws.

RACE, RELIGION, CASTE, MONEY, and anything else the divides one person from another is only more fuel to the fire.
By this I do not mean equality. Liberty is finding beauty and nurture it in what ever form it might be.
Dear Dr. Paul,
I share your empathy towards the Americans, the current foreign policies, and the dismal economy. With what I have heard you say so far, these effects are still repairable.
I want to understand your approach towards the minorities and under-privileged populace, with regards to Education, Healthcare, employment opportunities, etc.
Liberty in its purest sense would mean equality! This as I understand is too altruistic.

What are the first few things you do if you become the President of United States to strike a social balance?

Sincerely
Your supporter

The law is wrote by definition,however the perspective of that law can be changed.

For example everyone has a right to own their own "home", & all the companies refer to "houses" technically a house it not a home so you cannot own it.
Just one way these crooks fk with the law.

Ignore all the bs about Ron Paul, the people at the top are very scared of him, I wonder why lol.

Go Ron Paul :-)

Sadly, there is a large number of people opposed to Obama because he's black.

How would you know? Did you get this notion from the propaganda machine?

I've met very, very few people who oppose Obama because he (half) black. The vast majority of people I know do oppose Obama, because his every step is toward more and more government control, and because he clearly opposes Liberty.

Kraedi 5 pts

As equally sad, there is a large number of people who support Obama because he is black.

I thought we were voting for a man to lead our nation. Not what our favorite color is.

Notice that nowhere in this statement does Ron Paul say he believes in the equality of all races? He just says he's in favor of "racial harmony".

Do you think that he does not believe in equality of the races?

I feel Tammy's pain! That said, there is NO WAY I will vote for anyone else but Ron Paul! In spite of our disagreements, I'M VOTING RON PAUL! Period. That said, I and others who also will vote for him have the same shuttering down the spine feeling that Tammy gets when he says things about the Civil Rights Act, and Dept. of Education. Well, honestly, I don't care about the Dept. of Education issue, (not because I don't care about education) but it pales in comparison to the Civil Rights Act. Listen, I don't know the ethnicity of those of you who are against it. But my dad is a victim of racism, and a store cashier threw money at my great grandmother's face. We're Hispanics, JFYI. I must imagine that it's easy to talk down the Civil Rights Act being a member of the most advantaged race in the land. The Civil Rights initiatives were fought long and hard for many decades by oppressed peoples who suffered shame because of Jim Crow laws and rape, theft and murder by the hands of white people. Ok, I kept saying private businesses. How about we keep it on incorportaed businesses and public businesses? When you incorporate you become a "creature of the state" anyways. Corporations are subject to state regulations anyways. I don't know. Just some thoughts.

But Tammy, Ron Paul is the only candidate I can vote for. I can not vote for anyone else. I wouldn't worry about it. He's a very smart man and I'm sure he would try to phase out anything he doesn't like. Beside that, we have congress and the judicial system to help slow things down. LOL. Checks and balances, and also referendum just in case we don't like something. That is how a democracy is supposed to work. But, above all these issues, WE got to END THE FED, foreign aid, global wars, policing and nation building, and all the corersion, and all that crap that is smothering us to death. VOTE RON PAUL 2012!

Dave,

I definitely see your point here. It seems like Ron Paul's major focus lately is the fed, foreign aid, and global wars. I don't know how far he could go with ending the civil rights act, dept. of ed, etc., and I am sure he would implement gradual changes in any case. It says in this article, in fact, that he was the ONLY one to oppose the civil rights act, which tells me that trying to end it won't fly anyway.

I do want to say a few things about the dept. of ed, though. Even though it may not seem as important as the Civil Rights Act, I wouldn't brush it off as unimportant. The Civil Rights Act is much broader than the dept. of ed. It does not specifically target children in public schools. The dept. of ed works especially for children in schools -- it enforces legislation to ensure all children have equal opportunities and prohibits discrimination against faculty and students. I personally see the dept. of ed. as important (I am an educator) because of the strong desire of parents to see their children have a better future. Adults will often undergo discrimination in all sorts of situations, and they may or may not fight against it. But when it comes to their child's education, I think many will fight harder and expect more from the schools because they are supposed to be safe and fair. Some people (unfortunately) learn to accept discrimination as the norm, but not so easily when it comes to their kids.

Even at a national level, it is never nice to see racism or discrimination (I, for one, think it is disgusting), but to see or hear of a child suffering from it, I innately feel much more appalled. During my student teaching, I remember one young man tell me that he was embarrassed of his Hispanic ethnicity. He would rather be white, he said. This stems from discrimination and racism. It was heartbreaking. I cannot speak for others, but I don't think it is far-fetched to guess that many feel the same way I do. The dept. of ed works at the national level to keep discrimination from happening in schools and to encourage diversity. Obviously, discrimination still happens, and people can argue about the effectiveness of the dept., but I worry that if states were left to enforce their own legislation, than children from some states will suffer the consequences. While there is legislation that is not so great (ie, No Child Left Behind), other types are considered very significant, particularly the ones dealing with equal opportunity and civil rights. I personally want to see the United States as a place that will stand against racism and discrimination in all the states. In my opinion, civil rights and education are of national importance.

At the same time, I do see your points. Worrying about what "might" happen won't do much good, especially when you see a candidate who really wants to dramatically change the way things are going. I really do appreciate Paul's view of not trying to fix a broken system. If something is no longer working, then why shouldn't we try something else? I think Paul stands out because he is not concerned with the political status quo, even when it concerns highly controversial topics with his republican peers. I admire this attitude, and it highly sways my own attitude towards him!

Thanks for your comments, Dave!

A friend of mine refers to public high school as "Pre-Jails."

School taxes make up the lion's share of property taxes but what do we get? A dumbed own population that believes government will solve all problems. This must cease.

Describing all public high schools as "pre-jails" is a bit of an overgeneralization. There are really good high schools, usually in the higher income neighborhoods where people want to invest their property, state, and local taxes to maintain quality schools (in addition to the federal funding). The ones that are really bad are actually not funded well at all, not in all cases, of course, but in many. On the other hand, there are school districts in lower income communities that have been very successful. Usually this takes a team of educators who have a lot of experience and dedication and are supported by their local and state government. Wake county school district in North Carolina is a really good example of a success story for both lower and higher income neighborhoods. They had a very good economic plan and strong school board to accomplish this.

There are always those schools that are just not successful for a number of reasons, but taking money out of the school system never makes a school better.

I've read a few of the comments here and what a lot of people seem to be missing is that reverse discrimination is not only inefficient, it violates the fundamental liberties of those under its foot. Purchasing labor isn't any different than purchasing anything else of value.

This is like the government telling you that you have to make certain percentages of your purchases at various stores to make sure everyone gets the business. However you claim that you should be able to spend your money as you see fit. Employers should be given the same right.

When it comes to the public sector, they are spending our money in essence, so there must be a higher standard. However, quotas aren't the answer, as we cannot assume that the best people for the jobs are going to be distributed by some formula based upon race or gender. This is supposed to be the point here, to have the best people hired.

It is also clear that such legislation worsens relations instead of improving them, as Ron points out. People generally don't need much of a reason to hate, but when they see racial or gender bias depriving them of their livelihood, or the livelihood of others, now we've really given then a reason.

The sooner we are rid of these ill conceived, conunterproductive, and oppressive constraints the better, and it's great that we have someone like Ron who is not afraid to act upon principles rather than just look to appease people, as is the norm in Washington.

You have a "better" idea? Let's hear it. Laissez-faire?

I have to come to the conclusion Ron Paul is right. The civil rights movement was the cause for equality , not the civil rights act enforced. I have little doubt that the movement could have advanced as quickly without it though. With the changing times and colors of America, I am anxious to see how well civil rights remain once the colors have flipped. This day is not to far off in our countries future. I believe equality has arrived between the people. I am not fool enough to believe racism is dead, if not flipped from one evil to another. Once you use a quota system in either manor, you stifle growth and continue using rascism as a cause.

You do realize the civil rights act is a product of the civil rights movement, right?

Umm, if you read ... yes I do.. As does Ron Paul. What he is saying if you want total freedom this is not correct because even here laws by government infringe on another when supporting rights for the other.

Example, I open a breakfast shop cause my buddies like my cooking. No one invested but me. No one but me should have the right to say who "I" serve. Yet the Government thinks differently although they did not invest in my restaurant. How is that right? I think this all can still be avoided by charging 1 penny on entry into an establishment and calling it a private club. Which, allows the owner to make his own rules. Course, I don't *know* this for fact.. think it's been done. If so, all the laws are bogus anyways and if a chain wanted to, they could do just that. Masons, Moose Lodge, VFW clubs come to mind..as paid clubs that fall under different laws.

But the bottom line, I personally would accept anyone coming through the door openly because I want to make money. Those that wish not to, should have that right not to.

You can never balance everything.. total freedom allows one to do as they wish and in a free country, this law should be the highest law if it does not physically harm another.

Speaking of which..
These smoking laws which have alianated smokers from bars and restaurants is another example. Second hand smoke is not proven any worse than the bus your city uses on public roads. Why do we have buses? 70% or more cancers are caused by "other" than smoking related. When do these all get fixed? It's all about control and sin tax collected. Your charcoal grill puts off 160 packs per burning. Im looking forward to fast food and coke sin tax for those obese people ruining our society. We as a society are ruining our own capitalistic approaches with over regulations and no one but the loudest seem to have a say, which are usually liberals wanting more "entitlements" and would sell our souls to get them. FEAR is all the entitlements your Government currently offers you. Anything you "think" you have, they can take away in the signing of a bill.

All this is the same as civil rights and their movement and tea party and it's movement. Over regulations, to much Government and unfair taxations. We know all these to well and openly abused.

Remember this line: "when they came for me, no one was left to speak up"

It's not Government controling you, you suppose to control the Government through the people you elect going by the Constitution only or you become a socialist country controlled and not free.

It was the movement.. not the federal law that woke more people up. It was the law that hastened it and causes more racial divide. Obviously this is all my opinion and Ron Paul may see it differently.

Im still voting for Ron Paul...:-)

I am pretty sure that has been done. I can't think of exact terms but clauses in golf clubs, subdivisions, voter qualifications, etc all had special language and cute original loopholes they found to continue to segregate. I have to say that if you do recognize the Act is a product of the movement, and you acknowledge the movement brought "equality", am I the only one who sees that as contradictory?

You see! I try to give everyone I encounter the benefit of the doubt that they have common (and decent) sense. But you just compared banning smokers to banning Black ppl? One being a voluntary intermittent habit, the other being someone's race. Are you well? That is NOT just the same as civil rights doh-doh.

Why is this so blindly ignored in my postings? do you believe and justify picking and chosing which parts to read?

"It was the movement.. not the federal law that woke more people up. It was the law that hastened it and causes more racial divide."

You can't "force" a free man to accept which he chooses not to without causing what you wish to solve.. You can over time, change his thinking by movements such as Dr. Kings..

As for smokers compared to black??
Any discrimination... is still a discrimination. Are you well? or stay blind to facts only you wish to chose?

Again remember this ending line to a great piece:

“when they came for me, no one was left to speak up”

Are you in favor of racial quotas?

It's obvious why the Civil Rights Act is such a hotbed topic but in all honesty, the fact that it "had" to exist in the first place is completely abhorrent. We are talking about a FEDERAL law that dictates to PRIVATIZED business how they MUST conduct there business. How does that not seem wrong to anyone? Would you like the Federal government to dictate what goes on in your living room? How is a persons place of business, REGARDLESS OF SKIN COLOR, any different. Both things were earned and fought for through determination and perseverance and have become PRIVATE PROPERTY. I agree with the above comment, "there is no such thing as reverse racism." Discrimination based on skin - white, green, purple, red, black, yellow, brown, polka-dotted - is discrimination. Extend that to discrimination of one socioeconomic class towards another. Or gender discrimination. All of these things are perpetrated every day either in the action or hearts of countless people. FACT. Is it right? Hell no! But these problems have faced humanity for time immemorial. Taking from the Christian Bible, "Is there one man who is perfect; No not one!" Regardless of religion the wisdom in this sentence is plain and true. No one is perfect, everyone errs. So why in the world does the government think they are doing a service by instituting laws that deny a person the right to be human? Bottom line, civil rights have come a looong way but not due to this Act. Its the people who stood up for their rights gaining respect for their determination and character to speak up when many just hide away inside themselves. By instituting the Civil Rights Act, racial tensions are only acknowledged and reiterated in the forcing of a person to abide by laws that make a person equal only on the color of their skin. Doesn't matter if your the laziest, slovenly, rudest, foul-smelling, under-educated human on the face of this planet. Your quota aint met, then Big Brother's gonna come a'running... That's despicable.

I don't know about you, but I try to judge a person solely on their character and pray they do the same with me. Not everyone gets along. FACT. It's that simple. Looking at the history of our country is obviously important but looking before it is equally important. Look to Africa before there was an America. Look to the warring of the tribes and the fact that to this day there is still unrest throughout the continent. Is that the fault of White America as well? Surely, injustices were done and they were widescale, but the wisdom of new generations of people learning from the mistakes of the previous generation is how humanity has thrived and survived since the dawn of man. To look at the actions of the few and persecute the many is absolutely counterproductive and for the government to have ever caved into denying the ability for mans humanity to man to develop and grow through mutual respect is terrifying...

There will always be bigotry. There will always be hatred. It takes the few to stand up and make a personal decision to say "I'm not going to accept that and its not how I'm going to be forced to live." to make a difference thats anything more than superficial. After all, Isn't that exactly how we came to be the United States of America in the first place?

So do you feel the Emancipation Proclamation was another nasty FEDERAL law, forcing business owners to release their entire workforce and destroying their private businesses. This whole anti"Federal" thing really makes fools of ppl. I'm not one to diagnose via the www, but I think some of you who are racist, some unintelligent, and all hypocritical if you agree w/ the notion that Civil Rights Act did harm to relations of the races. Do you likewise agree that it should be legal for women to be denied service, employment, or entry into establishments? It's easy to bandwagon now bc we are so far removed from that history, but if your exact description was banned from every major shop, diner, theatre in your area, you would find FEDERAL laws disbanning such institutionalized racism as a help not hinderence toward gaining your liberties.

Now that is missing the point.

"So do you feel the Emancipation Proclamation was another nasty FEDERAL law, forcing business owners to release their entire workforce and destroying their private businesses."

It is clear to me, and to Ron Paul, that slavery is wrong, should never have been allowed (it was common throughout most of the world for most of human history, whether based on race, tribe, ethnicity, etc, or not) and needed to be ended. Also, if you have ever heard Ron Paul you know that he is colorblind WRT race.

If someone's business success depends on slavery, that is irrelevant, and it's just too damned bad if their business fails due to lack of slavery, because the slavery had to stop. Obviously, both Ron Paul and I welcome the Emancipation Proclamation with open arms because WE are the ones who believe in Individual Rights, not collectivism (including racial quotas).

The Civil Rights Act, whose intent was good, fell short by setting the stage for racial quotas and by dictating to private businesses who wanted to be idiots to their own detriment.

For the other part, clearly it is good for business to allow all customers. I also think that some dumb racist SOB should be allowed to reduce his customer base by excluding people by race. Being white, if I saw a restaurant with a sign "Whites Not Served", I would not want to go there. But if a black owned restaurant served anyone, I would be happy to go there. Now which one of those businesses is more likely to succeed? Oh, it's that profit motive, once again bringing people together, and eliminating the problem. Yup, freedom works.

And who ends up looking like a turd? Yup, it's the guys who segregate their businesses.

I can understand that some people, including myself, want things to be corrected on a bunch of subjects, RIGHT NOW. Some fall into the trap of thinking that we can accomplish that by government intervention. Remember that our problems have existed for centuries. We still have them, not because of Liberty, but because we do not yet have Liberty. Ultimately, Liberty is the solution, the ONLY solution to racism, because Liberty holds each individual as an individual, while the solve-it-by-govt method holds people to be members of a race. What we need is a colorblind society, not one that tracks us by race. Unfortunately, that part of the CRA of 1964 that set the stage for quotas furthers this. Hmmm, reverse racism is still racism.

Sometimes it's easy to hold a grudge against someone who didn't want to serve you on the basis of race. I have no problem with that, but why extend that to an entire race? By so doing, what would you be practicing?

Is that what you intended?

Maybe not.

I have a guess that Dr. Paul's statements here about civil rights is one reason why he may not stand a chance in a presidential election. I'm not saying he will not stand a chance, but I often read about the frustration of Ron Paul supporters who feel he does not get the same attention in the media as other Republican candidates--supporters feel he is being intentionally ignored. Dr. Paul's comments on civil rights (and education) give me an idea as to the problem.

For one, the idea of ending the civil rights act and the department of education is downright scary, in my opinion. They certainly have plenty of shortcomings, but ending them seems like an endorsement for people to discriminate against minorities, cut off programs that help children with special needs, etc. Sure, some states might enact their own programs, perhaps even a majority would do so. Ron Paul might be entirely correct, and everything and everyone would be much better off because the local and state governments would have the power to make programs according to their specific needs. But the idea of ending these federal programs is still frightening regardless of Ron Paul's positive intentions and the potential benefits. I assume that he feels the same about the department of human services. My first thought is that DHS protects children and women in abusive situations, and I know first hand that they have helped a lot of people in horrible situations. What if DHS comes to an end? That's the big question for me for ending any federal program: "What if?" What will happen to all of the people who depend on them? What will be the alternative solution?

Now, I admit that Dr. Paul has given a well-reasoned solution to ending the Fed. He said in the Ames Straw Poll, in response to a comment by Gringrich, that it would be a gradual process and that he agreed with Gringrich's proposals of heavily auditing the federal reserve and holding it responsible. So, that's great! If I could hear his proposed alternatives to ending the civil rights act, dept. of ed, dhs, and other federal social programs, I might be able to envision a future without them (as of now, I shudder to think of it). He seems to depend a whole lot on the good-will of individual people. But I think many will agree that the US is seeing a lot of greed, selfishness, and bigotry in our current times. Ideals are nice to envision and work towards, but idealism often doesn't go very far. Look at people's fear of communism and socialism. These are some people's ideals, too. But when you add human beings to the mix, they tend to fall apart.

So, here is the crux of the problem for Ron Paul. He is very radical, but I think Republicans are afraid that he is too radical for enough people to get behind him so he can win the presidential election. All one has to say is, "He wants to end the civil rights act" or the department of education or all social programs that a majority of people may benefit from (or at least they think they do). He stands the chance of sounding crazy even if he can defend his arguments. Now, most people will agree that these social programs have a lot of faults, and some think that more funding is the solution. If Ron Paul could initially focus on gradual changes so that we can first become independent of these programs, then his ideas might not sound so extreme. As of now, I'm not so sure he can win the primaries because I personally have a lot of concerns about his proposals, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Cameron, "created equal" was written in the Declaration of Independence, 1776, by Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson actually owned slaves as many others of the time. They were imperfect men, in spite of the fact that they were brilliant thinkers concerning liberty. In various states many people began to understand that slavery was incompatible with the ideals and philosophy of Liberty; thus, the Union began to form "slave states" and "free states" and the rift continued to tear the country apart until it culminated with the Civil War of the 1860's. You are right that White Supremecy in government empowered racist society to the very real disadvantage of Black Americans and other Non-Angolo Americans; and racial supremecy is counterintuitive to liberty. I firmly believe in private property rights. I don't beleive that government should impose any mandate on my own property that I use privately, such as code enforcement, and immanent domain. However, there is just no perfect answer in an imperfect society. If this country was made up of all milky white skin, blue eyes, and blond hair -- yes, no need for a Civil Rights act on private businesses. But, alas, I am forced to agree with you that we can not go back to "separate but equal" public policies, and even though I wish I did not really believe this, I feel this country would slip back to Jim Crow days at the drop of hat. It was only 44 years ago that Martin Luther King, Jr., was asassinated, and there is no such thing as "Heritage not Hate," when the heritage in question was all hatred.

Yes Ron Paul is right in one regard and that it violated the law of the Constitution...however, I believe the Constitution also stated from 1776 or whatever year it was that all men are equal, and should be treated equal if im correct so how would the south have the 3/8 clause that an African American counts as 3/8 of a person? That doesnt make sense, nor does it make sense how blacks were slaves and treated worse then a white slave owners pets. Being property of a white man clearly goes against the Constitution that all men are equal. Therefore, while Ron Paul is right that it violated the Constitution, all white Americans violated that for ALMOST 200 YEARS. There was no other way in which blacks would ever be an equal to whites unless Affirmative Actiont took Place, and the Civil Rights Act. The white race had over a 300 year head start on education, knowledge, and all social aspects of America that can never be erased or made up for so think about the big picture and entire American history when thinking about an act thats not even existed for 50 years

"Rights cannot be given nor taken away. They are inherent and inalienable. They exist independent of governance. Whether government recognizes them or not, they exist, thus government has no say. If anything, government by it’s very nature is a violation of rights as law is predicated upon coercion and violence. The fallacy in representative governance is that everyone cannot be represented simultaneously. Someone always loses out. Someone is always being forced to live as another dictates by proxy of representative government. How is this legitimate? "

Me:
The Problem: Tribal warfare. You think one group of people CAN NOT take away your rights? Then what is our struggle for LIBERTY, right now, all about? Call it what you want, but one group will always threaten your abstract, philosophical, theoretical "inalienable" rights, one way or another. What was it, 6 million Jews, took their theoretical "inalienable" human, natural, civil rights with them into furnaces and gas chambers. Thousands of Africans took their individual liberties with them into the shackles of American slavery; slavery in America: the "Land of the Free," struggling for a "More Perfect Union," whose free and brave fought for the rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness? Hundreds of Japanese Americans took their inalienable rights with them into American Concentration camps in the 40's. Inalienable natural rights were killed along with their owners, Native Americans, on Private Properties conquered by U.S. Cavalry hordes. NO ONE CAN TAKE THEM FROM YOU? You must be a naive idealist. I'm a realist. Sure, nobody can "TAKE" my rights away, if I choose to die for them in a worst case scenario, sure: "Give me Liberty or give me Death." But if I don't have the backbone or intestinal fortitude to make a stand for my "inalienable" rights in front of the long end of barrel, as probably you don't either, because we are members of a gutless idled culture of laxed principles and values, then they will always be constantly threatened. Right this second, we are slaves, even now, to the Federal Reserve System – so much for your hypothetical "inalienable" rights.

I think the Libertarian Party is way too broad in its focus, "the world". To borrow from Christian Scripture, if you can't take care of the little things, why worry about the rest? And, if you can't get your own house in order, how will you bring anything else to order? The Libertarians and Constitutionalist should unite on the principle ideas to form one real strong third party to give the Republicrats a real run for their money, (IRS), and redirect their primary focus to the United States, alone. I'm a true American, you can't get any more patriotic than to be suspicious of all government, politicians, authority, and herd/gang mentality. My RIGHTS are simply mine because, (*pump shotgun*), I say they are. If you want to mess with my rights, come and get 'em. It's LIBERTY or DEATH!

If you aren't being represented, it's because you have failed to represent YOURSELF. If you don't vote, you can't cry. If you DO vote, and you're still butt-hurt, become an activist, join a group, a cause: you’re gonna have to have some butch, pep, and push. A large group can have more influence through civil disobedience, THAT IS VERY AMERICAN. Besides that, if you don't KNOW your rights, you DON'T HAVE ANY, period, end of story!

My civil, natural, human, inalienable, (and any other embellishment you wanna give them) RIGHTS, are not universal rights, they are AMERICAN rights, because young men and woman died horrible god-awful deaths so you can ramble your naive, fool-hearty, idealistic head off. Can I get an AMEN? Hear, hear?

I'm a HUGE Ron Paul Fan. I'm very libertarian-leaning in my politics. I don't have a "gang" mentality, however, in the sense that I refuse to hear-out and reason with other ideologies. I still need to do more research on the effects of the Civil Rights act. What I do know, however, is that it is VERY EASY for a WASP, (White Anglo Saxon (male) Protestant) in the USA to not support a Civil Rights act that forces private businesses to include racial "minorities" in thier hiring practices; because, discrimination and segregation, lynching, and other injustices where not generally perpetraded against them in mass. FOUR HUNDRED YEARS of institutionalized racism, including slavery and various acts of genocide and concentration camps (reservations & plantations) have historically in this country and abroad have been perpetrated against peoples of brown skin complexion. If I was a Black Man in America, especially in the Jim Crow days, and If I had children that I had to feed and a family to support, but couldn't get a decent paying job just because of my skin color, YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I WOULD DESIRE AND VOTE IN SUCH A CIVIL RIGHTS ACT that prevented any private business to discriminate against me on the basis of my ethnicity.

Did the Civil Rights Act fail in its intended purpose? Many of you say it did, Congressman Ron Paul says it did, but I can't help but to wonder if some of you are simply holding on to ideological ideals at all cost irregardless of this Country's shameful, hurtful, and harmful RACIST, BIGOTED, and HATEFUL, and UNJUST past. Libertarian ideals are IDEAL, in a perfect world. Unfortunately, the White Supremecist tradition of this country never lent itself to a "more perfect union," and the rights to equal justice for all individuals of all racial groups is just as important to the rights of provate properties and free markets.