Wednesday, October 19, 2005

the truth about british foreign policy

yesterday nspm had the pleasure of hosting mark curtis, the radical historian and author, for a talk on 'government propaganda and the reality of uk foreign policy'. in an attempt to repeat the success of last year's talk by milan rai we had booked a high profile speaker for the start of term, to raise our profile and attract support. it certainly seemed to have worked judging by the size and diversity of the audience. i estimate about 100 people had gathered to hear mark speak, wit plenty of new faces amongst the stalwart activists. i've seen mark speak before at the esf, and from reading his books and articles had a good idea of what to expect. it was good to find that mark was softly-spoken and seemed to be a genuinely nice guy in person, as well as in his writings.

mark's talk seemed to be largely drawn from the material that he's worked on over the course of his last few books (unpeople, web of deceit), condensed into half an hour. starting with recent foreign office strategy (e.g. delivering security in a changing world) and the imperial ambitions of the "ministry of offence", mark then recounted the history of british foreign policy from the 50s onwards. after admonishing blair's support of bloodshed and torture by the russians in chechnya, colombian paramilitaries and the idf in palestine, he gave the figure (his own estimate) of britain's complicity in the deaths of 10m people since the 50s. mark talked about british suppression of the mau mau in kenya, concentration camps in malaya, support for indonesian slaughter of communists, support for iraqi bombing of the kurds, military advice to the americans in vietnam, support for idi amin, and british obstacles to intervention in rwanda. british foreign policy, he said, was driven by 2 major goals: maintenance of its "great power" status, and economic control.

the most interesting part of the talk for me, as it's something he doesn't go into in much detail in his books, was the final part where mark sketched out his ideas of what we should do. change would have to come from outside the existing system which perpetuates these vile atrocities with only cosmetic changes over the years. mark saw a glimmer of hope in the global justice system emerging and gaining victories over companies privatising water from bolivia to south africa. self-education is particularly important, he said, to defend ourselves against the ocean of propaganda. mark saw the democratisation of society as the most important goal in acheiving our aims, with the removal of hierarchical decision-making and the remodelling of our political lives on the principle of participatory democracy.

these ideas were obviously a little too radical for some, including a guy who walked out at the start of questions, waiting til the last minute before shouting "10m iraqis voted last week mate", and a terribly posh sounding persistent questioner who wasn't too sure that the "uneducated masses" were going to do a better job than whatever benign patriarchal dictator he seemed to be imagining. many were enthusiastic though, drawing parallels between mark's vision of society and anarchist thought. it was good to see challenged many of the dangerous myths prevalent in mainstream thought, and to hear discussed media propaganda, the tyranny of centralised power and global movements resisting the takeover of people's lives. mark was optimistic, suggesting that in the many talks he had been giving to people of all backgrounds across the country, he was seeing an increasingly dissatisfied populace ready to wrest power from the hands of politicians. i certainly felt that many people in that room felt that way, and together we can act to make those changes.

9 Comments:

Blogger Not an Ideal World said...

Dear All,
I am the heckler from the Mark Curtis talk and feel it necessary to comment on the radical, unhelpful myths aired by Mr Curtis at his speech last nite.
Mr Curtis claimed that Britain along with the United States is one of the worst human rights abusers in the western world.
Unfortunately his examples, quotes and evidence based on 'secret files' were so biased and taken out of context that they could have quite easily been attributed to Mr George Galloway MP himself.
According to Mr Curtis Britain's 3 top allies in the world are Russia, Colombia and Israel - I wonder if our friend Tone thinks so? We are actively engaged in human rights abuses in these countries and helping suppress peoples.
This is simply not true.
Britain does not give Russia a blank cheque against Chechnya to the Eu and the International Community.
Britain's concern with Chechnya is related to Afghanistan. Their is strong evidence that Chechen rebels have been trained in Afghan training camps. Britain supports the Russians in their fight against such militia who are undermining a peaceful solution both in the Chechen and Afghan provinces. Remember it was chechen rebels who took killed 350 people in Beslan in a school siege in one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on television. These people threaten the stability of one of the world's most violent regions. I would agree that some of the Russian approaches to these situations has been less than helpful and poorly co-ordinated and thought out. And to say Britain actively supports such a line from the Russians is fundamentally misleading. However when faced with such a threat a state has to protect its people, in this case ordinary law-abiding Russians, that is its responsibility. That is the real world.
SAS troops training Colombia's army....... good news! Colombia is the world's largest drug exporter in the world with the rebel factions, the FARC, holding prime drug resources. Getting the elite machine that is the SAS helping in the war on drugs is a good thing and should be encouraged. To say we are committing human rights abuses by supporting the Colombian government in its fight against drugs is aligning yourself with the corrupt drug lords and barons who pay their workers a pittance and create huge instability in areas of Colombia.
Britain's support is Israel is not a straightforward choice between choosing the Israelis or the Palestinians. Tone is committed to the peace accord between the two sides and hopes are high following the Gaza pullout for which Sharon deserves great credit. Britain does arm Israel, we got Israel their nuclear weapon status for goodness sake.... but we only arm them to defend themselves against a 'terrorist threat'. Israel has proved itself committed to the ceasefire and has only acted in retaliation to attacks by Hamas insurgents on its soldiers and people. The Gaza pullout places the onus firmly on the PA to get to grips with the insurgents and secure a peacful solution to the conflict. Britain has condemned the Israeli security barrier and instances where Israeli retaliation has been over the top and excessive. We are not, contrary to Mr Curtis' view, supporting the suppressing of the Palestinians or why would Blair have welcomed the Road Map and the Gaza pullout, giving the Palestinians more freedom? We are not in Israel's pocket as Mr Curtis suggests instead we are helping along with the US to create a deal for those citizens who want peace. Britain condones violence on both sides of the divide; but respects Israel's 'sovereign' right to defend itself when attacked by those who are against it.
Mr Curtis said so much more which either was deliberately controversial, factually obtuse or woefully idealistic that i could with more time attack him further. His yearning for a political system run by the people is laughable. Communism doesnt work sir. His advocation of the people setting budgets in local authorities as they do in Brazil (again factually dubious) is nonsense. How stable is Brazil anyway???? R u going to ask every person in the street how much cash should go to the local school or hospital? Give me a break. Referendums on every white paper also don't work m8, its not practical.
For Mr Curtis to say that he gets a good feeling about a peoples revolution in the Uk is ridiculously absurd. The Iraq war wasnt high on the election agenda, people are more interested in healthcare, education, the economy, immigration and pensions things that run their daily lives not foreign policy. The Stop the War movement is a dead duck because you didnt accomplish anything, you didnt stop the war so it failed.. better luck with Syria or Iran i say.
Its time for people such as Mr Curtis to grow up stop spinning mind-numbing conspiracy theories based on an idealism that does not reflect reality. In politics their is no right or wrong way it is often a choice between 'the lesser of two evils'. Britain has done things in its colonial past which it is not proud of. However because of what our grandparents fought for 60 or so years ago it is Britain that has given you the voice you have today, within the democratic society in which you live and the freedom you milk from it.
If you don't like that Mr Curtis you probably should have gone to Saddam's Iraq where speaking out against the government meant murder and the only person you could vote for on the ballot before the invasion was Saddam himself.
Thanks to our foreign policy Afghans and Iraqis are shaping their futures, taking responsibility and embracing freedom. It is not easy or straightforward but when you see 10m people have the free chance to say 'yes' or 'no' to a constitution in a referendum that is something we as Britains should be hugely proud of.

9:56 PM  
Anonymous Nella said...

If you have so much confidence in your opinion, why post using an identity linked to a blog with one entry identical to this comment? Worried Tony might get embarassed about what his friend is saying?

4:36 PM  
Blogger Disillusioned kid said...

Selected quotes...

"Unfortunately his examples, quotes and evidence based on 'secret files' were so biased and taken out of context that they could have quite easily been attributed to Mr George Galloway MP himself."

Whereras everything you say is entirely impartial, backed up by extensive research and contextualised?

"Remember it was chechen rebels who took killed 350 people in Beslan in a school siege in one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on television."

Because things are only bad when seen on TV.

6:43 PM  
Blogger Blair is God said...

Not at all 'Nella'.
I have never 'blogged' b4 hence their being only 1 entry on my blogging page.
I was just so enraged by what Mr Curtis said that I felt a need to respond and try to illuminate the warped, senseless views of the treehugging left who believe that we, Britons, are the really source of evil in the world...
Keep it real.... oh and nella , nice intellectual response btw, u probably say it best when you say nothing at all love.
ciao x

1:42 PM  
Blogger Blair is God said...

Newsflash:
25th october
Iraqis approve their new constitution!
Oh well looks like the war may lead to future and stability in Iraq after all. Democracy where men and women have the freedom to speak and vote as they please.
Whats that I hear , cries of 'Stop the War'; your people power doesn't look so strong anymore does it guys and girls.
People want democracy lets give it to them... next stop Syria.

1:51 PM  
Blogger DanR said...

dearest heckler,

i wonder why, if you had a question (or two), you failed to use the alotted question and answer session to have it answered? ample opportunity was available. it's a shame because one of the things that mark talked about was propaganda and the media, something you seem to have fallen for, hence the quote that d.k. picked up on: "Remember it was chechen rebels who took killed 350 people in Beslan in a school siege in one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on television." sadly there are many filters between reality and tv my friend, and the vested interests of those in power can operate them quite nicely. i would recommend you to take a peek at herman & chomsky's "manufacturing consent" when you have the time.

"His yearning for a political system run by the people is laughable. Communism doesnt work sir."

laughable to you perhaps, but then i suspect that you have a relatively large amount of control over your own destiny, unlike those working in sweatshops, fighting for their indigenous rights, struggling to survive grinding poverty whilst politicians get rich. that view is a product of your privileged position in the world. mark wasn't arguing for communism at all, he was arguing for participatory democracy. these kinds of systems not only work rather well but empower people and are the only true form of democracy. our elective dictatorship is democracy of the greek kind, an anomalous form of democracy developed in a highly competitive society. most of the world has used direct democracy quite successfully at various times in the past. it's only a eurocentric and racist attitude that obscures this fact from us. i would recommend the anthropological works of david graeber.

3:55 PM  
Blogger Disillusioned kid said...

I fear Iraq's future may not be as bright as you believe.

The constitutional vote had been blighted with allegations of irregularities. Whether they are true or not is largely irrelevant. What matters is the effect on the perception of Sunnis and how they react.

The document also leaves a huge amount undecided. The constitution states that revenues are to be shared between federal government and the provinces. How this is to be done is unclear. The struggles over these numerous ommissions will probably be at least as important in determining Iraq's future as the constitutional vote.

I also think you overstate the significance of a yes vote. Quite apart from claims of irregularities it appears that many voters supported the document not because they agreed with its contents (Islamic law, sectarianism etc), but because they were even more worried by the prospect of renegotiation.

7:41 PM  
Blogger DanR said...

"We cannot accept that there can be free democratic elections in a country under foreign military occupation" - George W. Bush

9:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Not an ideal world" airs some myths of his own on Colombia. The following, which I sent to the equally naive and ignorant Irish media, may restore the balance......

"I'm sick of official Ireland's ignorance and stupidity on Colombia.

Over the past few months, the government of rich cattle-rancher Alvaro Uribe is presented as a choir of democratic saints and any opposition a gang of cocaine-fuelled, violent, terrorist maniacs.

For the record, Uribe was a close personal friend of the notoriously violent drug-lord Pablo Escobar, a childhood friend of others in the Medellin cartel, and his presidential campaign manager, Pedro Moreno Villa, was implicated in the importation of tons of the cocaine precursor potassium permanganate - see http://www.narconews.com/narcocandidate1.html .

Those who could clearly see and shout about the umbilical cord between Provo terrorists and Sinn Fein morph into blind, naive children when it comes to Uribe and his paramilitary/drug-gang proxies.

And it's the right-wing paramilitaries (who give Uribe plausible deniability, and were until recently led by Uribe's cattle-ranching neighbour, Salvatore Mancuso, and Carlos Castaño, aka "The Monster", another associate of Escobar's), not the FARC, repeat NOT THE FARC, who run most of the drugs and who carry out most of the slaughter and atrocities in Colombia.

They butcher more people year after year EVERY YEAR than the IRA butchered in 30 years. They are responsible, according to the UN, for 80% of the 8,000 politically-motivated murders in Colombia every year. Got that? Maybe mention it now and then?

But don't take my word for it. There's some info below from impeccable establishment sources to redress the balance. Neither the BBC nor Human Rights Watch (not to mention the US Defense Intelligence Agency) are hotbeds of violent revolution. There's oodles of this stuff out there, all apparently unknown to much of the Irish media (Apologies to the rest!). Amnesty International is another source. If you doubt it, do your own research. Send someone to Colombia. Go there yourself. Anything! For God's sake, just stop churning out criminally abysmal 1984-land shite about "democracy" vs "narco-terrorists"!


And if you want to do anything, you could research the case of San Jose de Apartado. In 1997, that small Peace Community announced its wish to remain neutral in the war, and its opposition to all armed persons entering the community. For this "crime", they have endured years of the most gruesome murder and massacres, from all sides, but predominantly from the Uribe's Army/paramilitaries (See http://isla.igc.org/Features/Colombia/Massacre2.html for one of the most recent).

To roars of boredom and disinterest from the Irish media, 2 proud, brave and dignified members of that community came to Ireland this year to tell their story. More community members have been murdered since then. The Colombian Army continues to threaten them. The community begs for foreign observers, for some scrap of media attention. THEIR LIVES DEPEND ON IT!


On the basis of the Defense Intelligence Agency document below, a legitimate call for the extradition of President Uribe and his friends to the US on drugs charges could be made. Instead, while women and children are slaughtered, the Irish government and media do nothing, preferring navel-gazing about old passports.


Yours sincerely,
Chris Murray

"82. Alvaro Uribe Velez—a Colombian politician and senator dedicated to collaboration with the Medellin cartel at high government levels. Uribe was linked to a business involved in narcotics activities in the U.S. His father was murdered in Colombia for his connection with the narcotic traffickers... Uribe has worked for the Medellin cartel and is a close personal friend of Pablo Escobar...."

Copy of above US Defense Intelligence Agency document at
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB131/dia910923.pdf
More details at
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB166/index.htm


Report on US DEA seizure of cocaine precursors
http://www.narconews.com/narcocandidate1.html

The DEA eventually lost the case. Moreno claims innocence, that he was "the victim of an enormous screw-up by the Colombian police and the American DEA".


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1495741.stm
BBC News Friday, 17 August, 2001
Colombia's President (then Andres Pastrana) has signed a controversial new law giving the military sweeping powers, despite international opposition and army's abysmal human rights record.

The legislation gives the military new powers of detention and the right to set up martial law in specific places, giving them authority over civilian officials.



There is serious concern that these provisions could facilitate torture or other forms of human rights violations

Amnesty International
The legislation has been fiercely opposed by human rights groups and politicians in the United States.

Many fear it will herald a new chapter in human rights abuses by the military, which has proven links to right-wing death squads and often turns a blind eye or even aids paramilitaries in their massacres of guerrilla sympathisers.



http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/colombia/



http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/08/01/colomb11547.htm
(Bogotá, August 1, 2005) Colombia’s demobilization process is strengthening the power of paramilitary groups without furthering a genuine peace, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today.


Drawing on interviews with numerous demobilized paramilitaries, the report is the first to document the Colombian government’s mishandling of the recent paramilitary demobilizations.

“The government’s failure to conduct the demobilizations in a serious manner is helping paramilitary commanders launder their wealth and legitimize their political power,” said José Miguel Vivanco, Americas Director for Human Rights Watch. “Having interviewed numerous demobilized paramilitaries, government officials, and other insiders, it is evident this process is rotten to the core.”

Nearly 6,000 people have participated in so-called collective paramilitary demobilizations since 2003. As of April 2005, only twenty-five of them had been detained for the thousands of atrocities committed by their groups, which are considered terrorist organizations by the U.S. government and the European Union.

Recently demobilized paramilitaries quoted in the report openly described participating in massacres, killings, and kidnappings, and also spoke of their groups’ highly profitable involvement in drug trafficking. None of the men had been arrested for these crimes, or even questioned about them.

As the report documents, demobilized paramilitaries are not confessing, turning over substantial assets, or disclosing substantial information about their groups’ criminal networks and financing streams as part of the demobilization process. Instead, paramilitaries are taking full advantage of the demobilization process to launder their illegal fortunes and legitimize their political control.

“Smoke and Mirrors: Colombia’s demobilization of paramilitary groups,” a 64-page report, also shows that demobilizations are not bringing real progress towards peace. Paramilitary groups continue to control areas, such as Medellín, where demobilizations have taken place. And they have repeatedly flouted the cease-fire declaration they made at the start of negotiations, without suffering serious adverse consequences.

“The demobilization process is a way to try to clean the biggest guys, [and] move all their money into legality,” according to one demobilized paramilitary. Another said bluntly that the process is “a farce. It’s a way of quieting down the system and returning again, starting over from another side.”

Demobilized paramilitaries told Human Rights Watch that an important reason for joining these groups is the high salaries they offer. Paramilitary groups have retained their capacity to pay such salaries, and recruitment has continued despite the demobilization process. Thus, troops who disarm as part of the demobilization process are easily replaced.

“The government’s approach to demobilization allows paramilitary commanders to put on a show of disarming some troops,” said Vivanco. “But the government has not truly attempted to dismantle their mafia-like networks, seize their illegally acquired fortunes, or ensure a full cessation of abuses.”




http://hrw.org/reports/2005/colombia0805/1.htm#_Toc110056711

**********This dismal record is the logical outcome of the Colombian government’s ineffective and poorly conceived and implemented demobilization policies. In implementing the demobilizations, the government focuses almost exclusively on disarming and giving benefits to paramilitary troops. But it does not make a real effort to determine whether these troops are responsible for serious crimes, to uncover the truth about past abuses, or to provide reparation to victims. ******************they continue to have close ties with units of the Colombian security forces, which the Colombian government has yet to make meaningful progress in breaking.



Recommendations
To International Donors to Colombia and the OAS Mission:

Condition any support for the demobilization process on amendments to the demobilization law and the Colombian government’s policies for implementation in accordance with the recommendations set forth above.


Withdraw their support for the OAS Mission to Support the Peace Process in Colombia until such time as the Colombian government amends the demobilization law and its practices in accordance with the recommendations set forth above.


Firmly express to the Colombian government their opposition to the terms of the demobilization law and the government’s practices in implementing demobilizations.


The demobilization… is a farce. It’s a way of quieting down the system and returning again, starting over from another side.

—Demobilized paramilitary fighter, April 2005.

Colombia’s right-wing paramilitary groups are immeasurably powerful. Through drug trafficking and other illegal businesses, they have amassed enormous wealth. They have taken over vast expanses of the country’s territory to use for coca cultivation or as strategic corridors through which they can move drugs and weapons. In recent years, they have succeeded in expelling left-wing guerrillas and strengthening their own control of many parts of the country. And thanks to this power, they now exert a very high degree of political influence, both locally and nationally.

Paramilitaries accrued their power and influence by force. “It is stipulated that there are borders and you have to win people’s respect, and so we had to kill people to show that you could not come in or go out of certain areas,” a demobilized paramilitary told Human Rights Watch. “It was not a fight for Colombia. It was a drug trafficking war,” said a former squad commander, discussing his experience as a paramilitary.

Considered terrorist organizations by the United States and Europe, over the last two decades paramilitaries have killed thousands of civilians; tortured, kidnapped, and stolen from tens of thousands more; and threatened and otherwise disrupted the lives of literally hundreds of thousands of Colombians, with almost no consequences for the perpetrators. To the contrary, paramilitaries have historically enjoyed the collaboration, support, and toleration of units of the Colombian security forces, a fact that has led many to refer to the paramilitaries as a “sixth division” of the army. Today, paramilitaries have made major gains in consolidating this impunity, along with their economic and political power, with the collusion of the Colombian government."

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