Heya guys!! If you didn’t read both of the posts below, then uhm…you suck!!! Scroll down damnit!! For the super lazy, click these links:
Due to the reaction from the reader base and the relevancy of this encounter I’ve made Heroic Lich King a multi-post topic. This means you actually have to read all of the threads to follow the entire conversation. *smirk*
Frost Slow Spec at H LK
I’m a big fan of the mantra “Don’t knock it till you try it.” So, I tried a Frost Slow spec last night at H LK.
First Slow Frost Spec Trial: 0/55/16
You get 4 free points to move around as you see fit as Frost. I dropped 3 into Chilblains and then 1 into Blood-Caked Blade. In addition to that I also dropped the Glyph of Disease and replaced it with the Glyph of Howling Blast.
If you use Pestilence as part of your rotation with Chilblains then the ghouls will be slowed, which can become a huge problem.
When the tanks taunts the ghouls from LK to Shambling Horrors, slow effects can cause their transit time to be too long resulting in them running back to LK (typically due to warriors or death knights from splash damage).
Due to that I dropped the Glyph of Disease and tried out the Glyph of Howling Blast for Valks instead. Hated it.
I use Howling Blast for not only Rime procs, but also whenever I have to move and I’m not in melee range. Whether it’s Shadow Traps, Necrotic Plague, Defile, etc… You can end up out of melee range a lot of times, and HB is perfect for those situations. However you can’t use it in P1 due to slowing the ghouls…
So then I tried the same spec, but back to Glyph of Disease again. Happy Days!!
SJ’s Frost Slow Spec: 0/55/16
It’s the same as above, just with fixed glyphs. Not only do you no longer suffer the dps loss from not having GoD in the rest of the phases after P1, but it’s pretty much just as viable for applying Chilblains through Pestilence as using HB and the GoHB.
You have to hold two Blood Runes (or Death Runes if up) for when the Valks are about to spawn, but outside of that you don’t have to do a lot of preparation to make this work. It’s pretty solid.
Issues with Frost Slow Spec
So there are still a few problems that need to be addressed…
Over Writing Chilblains
Chilblains was being over written a lot last night in the raid. I was able to determine that it was by either a short debuff or a static debuff. The slow was not lasting long, so either they were moving out of the static debuff or the debuff applied had a short duration.
After doing some online research I found a post that noted hunter Frost Traps were over writing Chilblains. There might be other abilities that will over write as well, but that is all I’ve found so far.
If you use this spec, make sure you get your hunters to not drop Frost Traps unless you get picked up by Valks, and you have to be able to communicate that fact quickly if it does happen (such as a Vent call).
DPS Losses
Unlike Unholy, Frost loses a larger amount of DPS from using this spec. During P1 you are looking at a loss of 500-1000 dps on LK at a minimum due to talent changes and not being able to use Pestilence in rotation.
It’s more likely in a range of a 1-2k dps loss.
However the steep dps hit is only for P1. So if your raid has no issues with P1, then this is not a concern. From the moment you hit the transition out of P1, you can add Pestilence back into your rotation.
Outside of P1, this spec is approximately a 300 dps loss.
Reliability and Duration
The reliability factor comes down to whether anyone is over writing your debuff. If you have that under lock, and your debuff is up at all times, then reliability is almost covered.
If you know of any effect that over writes Chilblains besides Frost Trap please leave a comment, or a link to the referenced data. Do not post “ideas” please. Just facts.
As to the duration, Chilblains lasts for 10 seconds. Runes have a 10 second cd. This means that there is potentially a 1 second window where the debuff can fall off. Which touches the reliability factor again.
If your raid dps is strong enough and you use everything properly, then you can keep the debuff up. But it’ll offset your Blood Rune cd’s slightly and always has the risk of no debuff for 1 second. So it’s a mixed bag.
SJ’s Recommended H LK Specs
It should be noted that I still feel that Unholy is the best spec for H LK for your raid. While Frost is viable, it is not the best spec possible. And in this case, the “best case” really makes a huge difference.
Frost
Cookie Cutter Frost: 1/52/18
SJ’s Frost: 0/53/18
SJ’s Frost Slow Spec (H LK): 0/55/16
Unholy
Cookie Cutter Unholy: 0/17/54
SJ’s Unholy: 0/17/54
SJ’s Unholy Slow Spec (H LK): 0/17/54
If you have questions regarding these specs, please refer to the two previous posts (linked at the top of the post) which have more in depth discussion on talent choices, etc…
Questions and Answers
Rikukun wrote:
What is your opinion on using reaping now with the t10 2 set bonus? I know that you have used it in specs in the past, but i noticed it missing now. Switching to 2 blood strikes instead of SS will drive me nuts in rotations now if i dont use reaping, lol.
Also, i tried out specing into frost as you did (but without desecration since im not at even normal lich king quite yet, and i pulled about the same on 25 man festergut as i did with points in blood and reaping the week before, 10.4kdps, but i pulled about 500 dps less on deathbringer saurfang. So are you sure that specing into frost is superior to specing into blood? if so, id say its either with better gear than what i have or its really close.
Reaping is still one of my favorite talents out there. You could put together an Unholy Slow spec like this: 0/17/54. It loses out on the 15% movement buff and is about a 300-500 dps loss (at most) over talenting out pure dps talents.
The Frost sub spec for Unholy becomes superior when you are in ICC+ gear. If you’re still toting gear around with less than an ilvl of 250, then you may want to research older specs more conducive to your gear level.
ODK wrote:
HEHEH you crack me up, my spelling/punctuation/ect will allways be bad — but thank you Very mcuh for goin into detail on my suggestions..
Another question i had tho, will desecration do much good if/when you allready have hunters dropping hunter traps? wondering if desecration still has an effect above and beyond or if the hunters are basically allready doing the job? (other than DK can reapply desecration in its path as it moves out of the icetrap….)
ive noticed every encounter ive done in many guilds, they have a nice lil patch of ice the valks tend to land and start movin across. wanted to check on that before i put the points into desecration to just try to help on my end best i could…figured if the trap covers it enough then the dps would be better to drop them faster? thx..
or even just chillblains with pestilence? isnt that in itself enough?
damnit, wish i could edit those posts? reason i suggest that is simply to keep your frost spec, wouldnt it compare to desecration enough that you would be able to keep your DW frost spec and get NEARLY similar results?
Frost Traps are sub par to Desecration for the reason you mention. Unholy will constantly apply the effect under the Valks when hitting them, while the Valks will move out of the Frost Traps. FT just isn’t enough.
For Chilblains please see above post. While it is comparable, it just is not on the same level as Desecration in regards to reliability (cannot be over written) or how often it is applied consistently without as much of a dps loss that Frost suffers.
Dammanus wrote:
Well my previous comment was adressed to guilds not having 11/12 on “farm status”, which is MY case.
So in my case, it is a DPS loss for the other bosses, so when we get 11/12 on farm, then ill switch to your H LK spec, but for the meantime i want 100% DPS tyvm.
As I said previously, the specs listed here are intended as specs specific to H LK. They are not intended to be used through out all of ICC. You are expected to go drop the gold and respec your character for just this encounter.
So your comment says to me that you did not read the entire post in detail.
Skeleton Jack wrote:
And while this may not have been obvious (as I did not state it), but my recommendation is to swap specs just for H LK. I’m not recommending using those specs on a day to day basis in all encounters. I’m talking about using it specifically for H LK.
Summation
Unholy is still the best spec for H LK due to P2 Valks.
Frost is viable, but has some issues that you will have to deal with such as no Pest in P1, debuff over writing issues, and 1 sec windows of no slow debuff.
Please, again, read the previous posts. This post is one in a series of posts, and all of their content is relevant to each other. They are linked at the top of the post.
If you have questions, I might have answers! As always, leave comments on site or e-mail me:
Skeleton.Jack@hotmail.com
-Suffer Well Brothers and Sisters…
Tags: DPS, Raids, Specs