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Who holds the purse strings in your house?

Justine Davies

Monday, August 02, 2010 at 06:12pm
 

If you’re in a relationship, do you talk about money? Discuss every purchase down to the last cent? Do you just leave all the purchasing decisions up to your partner, or do you maintain separate accounts? 

I was interested in a survey released by Westpac a couple of months ago, which found that:


•19% of women do not totally trust their partner with shared finances, (and 10% of men don’t trust their partner). 
•47% of women and 40% of men believe their partner wastes money.
•47% of women are in charge of managing joint savings accounts, compared to just 24% of men
•And unfortunately almost half of all men and women argue with their partner about money (something that I discussed in detail in my How to Afford a Husband book last year).


The wasting money thing I understand, because men and women tend to have pretty different taste in what is desirable. So the skateboards, surfgear and electronic stuff that my husband keeps buying are – well, lets just say I could think of heaps of better ways to spend them money. Not that I begrudge it – but I just don’t get it.

During my years as a financial planner I definitely found that in most relationships the women tended to be in charge of the daily finances – you know, the paying of bills and buying of groceries and other boring stuff that their partners just didn’t want to do. Even hen it came to investment, the males would do most of the talking and asking of questions, but would then usually leave the final decision up to their wives. And a car dealer I know reckons that he always concentrates on the female when he’s showing a car to a couple, because even though the male might ask all the technical questions, it’s the woman who makes the final yes or no decision.


So – what about in your house? Is everything discussed in detail, or does one person have control of the purse strings?



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In my house, my husband pays all the bills from our joint account, and I do all the groceries/household purchases. If I WANTED to, I could log in right now and see where our finances are at, but I don’t because I know he’s looking after that side of it.

We have separate savings accounts and an auto deposit goes into each of them each pay day. It’s only $50 per fortnight, however, and we still use the joint accounts for individual purchases sometimes.

I’m the gift-buyer in the marriage… it’s taken some time for my husband to not see that as wasteful :D but he’s slowly getting there!

I think the trick is to be objective in recognising the strengths and weakness both in yourself and your partner, and then arranging it accordingly. For me, I always want to pay bills as soon as they come in. My husband, on the other hand, has a much better handle on leaving things til we’ve extracted the maximum interest, before paying them.

As always, a great post, and it’s got me thinking! Thanks!

June of NSW (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (08:41am)

Great comments June, it sounds like you have a good system going!

Justine Davies
Tue 03 Aug 10 (09:14am)

We have seperate finances in our household although we do combine money for larger purchases.

Completely agree with the car dealer comments though. I will do research on the technical and performance details of a product before we purchase it. I will give advice on what we should be looking at getting and what we should be paying.
Then my girlfriend will just go and buy whatever she wants because “It was cheaper” or “I liked the colour”.
Grrrrrrrr.

Oh and she then gets angry at me when it breaks down or doesn’t work properly. I don’t even get to say “I told you so”. haha.

Tim (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (10:44am)
Tim replied to Tim
Tue 03 Aug 10 (12:18pm)

Maybe Justine,

but just not verbally.

Tim you lie. I’m sure that you DO say “I told you so”!

Justine Davies
Tue 03 Aug 10 (10:48am)

My partner won’t even tell me how much the mortgage payments are. He pays them and some bills while I pay for groceries, household items, entertainment, some bills, incidentals and the like.

We don’t talk about money because he flat-out refuses to (gets all childish and immature and just states ‘i’m NOT talking about it!’) and i’ve given up asking.

I feel he wastes too much money because rather than get something fixed when it breaks or just doesn’t work right, he goes and buys another one.

over it (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (11:07am)
SS replied to over it
Tue 03 Aug 10 (11:48am)

While his behaviour by your account sounds childish and surly - Is the mortgage in both names? Or just his?
If it’s in his name only I don’t condone him not telling you but I guess I can understand it.
If it’s your name on the loan also it is dead easy to find out how much you are paying - talk to your bank! Ask to get two copies of all correspondence. Or, talk to the call centre, or check online. You’ve got more options than just asking your husband to share.

Maybe this lack of communication is an issue for the Bossy blog?

Kristy replied to over it
Tue 03 Aug 10 (01:41pm)

My husband never used to like discussing money either. But I found out it was because he didn’t understand much about finances, so ignorance was bliss.

My fiancee isn’t happy with the way she spends money so I pretty much take care of all the finances. I’ve got direct debit going everywhere and utilise interest free periods on a credit card (it’s paid in full monthly) and this allows a bulk of our money to stay in an interest bearing account as we save for a house deposit.

I think it comes down to the fact that I get satisfaction about seeing my savings account healthy even if I don’t have a goal for that money. I’m also patient and enjoy the actual act of making sure our finances are in order. So I do have control of the purse strings but this is effective not because I won’t give out money when asked for it but the fact that my partner has to ask. This is her safeguard against her self and makes her really self assess and ask if she really needs the item. This system would never work if it’s something I implemented, this was her choice and it works really well for us.

Andrew (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (11:13am)

In my household my partner and I have our own individual accounts that our pay goes into but each fornight we transfer a set amount into our joint expenses and joint savings accounts, the expenses covers, health and contents insurance, water bills, power, rent ect and the savings is for a house deposit and a holiday.

We take turns paying for grocery shopping and dinners out and the rest is ours to spend on what we please.
It took two years to get my boyfriend to agree to this approch before that I was paying the bills and then chasing him for his share of the money, which was not fun.

ej (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (11:16am)
sugar replied to ej
Wed 04 Aug 10 (01:00pm)

oh my, this sounds exactly like my situation. ie.. the boyfriend doesnt understand the benefits of having one joint account where we transfer some of our monthly pay into to pay bills!!!
i’m still on the case .. but its not looking promising…

My boyfriend and I keep all our money in separate accounts (so it can offset both home loans rather than be earning 0.1% interest or whatever), and transfer money to and fro as required. We live in my place and rent his out, he pays for all the bills so I sort of get my share of the income through not having those outgoings. It can be a little fiddly at times, but it means we each get ‘play’ money, if you will, in accordance with what we earned and our own budgeting ability.

We might change the arrangement when we get married or have kids or there becomes a good tax reason for it or something, but for now it’s working (and the home loans and bank accounts are fee free so there’s no savings to be had there either).

Susan (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (12:34pm)
Na replied to Susan
Wed 04 Aug 10 (07:32am)

If you’re living in one and renting the other, you really should be using the offset account of the house you are living in. You might easily be costing yourselves thousands a year by keeping things separate.

Andrew replied to Susan
Wed 04 Aug 10 (02:35pm)

I agree with what Na has said. If his is the investment property then the interest you pay on that loan can come off his taxable income whereas the interest you pay in your place of residence cannot be used to decrease your taxable income.

It depends on your relationship but it may be worth investigating more to see if it will work for you guys. Talk to your accountant!

All our money goes into our joint accounts, either one of us pays the bills (we keep track of it by spreadsheet) usually whoevers at the computer when they are due, we both think each other buys pointless things but that’s because we are different… Usually if somethings more than x amount say $50 a quick txt is usually sent to make sure it’s ok.. it works for us.

Chris of Brisbane (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (12:39pm)

Because my partner and I both had our finances sorted out before we got together, we’ve kept our separate sets of bank accounts. We’re both paid fortnightly, and both pay a week’s rent per fortnight by automatic debit. We alternate paying for shared expenses (groceries, entertainment, dining out, etc), and pay separately for our own unshared expenses (cars, clothes, shares, etc).
We’re each aware of the general financial position of the other, but we don’t discuss money at length.
It works for us.

someone_else of somewhere_else (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (12:46pm)

Argh, I manage ALL of the finances. I pay the bills, do the grocery shopping, look after our investment properties, shares, insurance – EVERYTHING! It gets rather tiresome and I wish my husband was more interested and had a better understanding of our incomings and out goings, but the fact of the matter is than he simply isn’t phased by any of it. I wish that he was able to share some of the workload when it comes to our finances, but it’s not likely it will ever happen. I do worry about what would happen to him if I ever keeled over, he would be lost!

He says to me that as long as he has enough money in the account for a beer after work, he’s happy!

KikiNZ of W.A (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (12:47pm)
Annie replied to KikiNZ
Tue 03 Aug 10 (11:49pm)

I used to work in a bank and regularly you would see someone come in who had just lost a husband or wife and then on top of their grief would have to deal with figuring out the finances. It could be heart breaking at times, especially when most often the customer was quite elderly and had no clue about how to manage their accounts. And it can be quite overwhelming at times, not something you want to have to learn while coping with the loss of a loved one.
If your partner isn’t interested in learning, it can be hard but it’s just food for thought…

Hmmm, maybe make sure you have a really good spreadsheet set up on your computer (somewhere easy for him to find) that lists all your insurance/savings/loans etc - just in case!! 

Justine Davies
Tue 03 Aug 10 (12:57pm)

When I first met my husband he thought nothing of spending $1000 on a new phone or gadget. Since then I’ve educated him about the value of money and he’s a very quick learner. Since becoming engaged / married we now have complete joint accounts, it jut works better with 2 mortgages and two incomes.

I’m the dedicated banker in the family & manage most of our finances but that’s mostly because I have more time at work to pay bills, talk to the bank etc. We discuss all of our purchases, holidays etc, & we sat down together and establised a budget so we both know where the money is going. We both have seperate CC’s which we use for gifts or small splurges.

It’s important that we have an equal say in how our money is spent, invested etc. One thing we found works for us is a Debit account which has our monthly budgeted amount in it, so for shopping, petrol, beer, eating out etc all comes out of this, that way when it’s gone - it’s gone! I do most of the research though cause it’s just something that i’m good at & he trusts my judgement.

I’m so glad that he now understands the importance of a budget & having control over your fiances, he’s seen the progress we’ve made in 5 years & how we can progress from here.

MARA of Perth (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (12:50pm)

I ca never understand how people in one household have separate accounts.  I am not saying its wrong or anything like that, just that it doesn’t make sense to me.

You say you put e.g. $800 per pay into the joint account for everything and the rest is yours to spend as you see fit.  What happens if one person earns significantly more than the other?  Do you have to start loaning your parner money to buy something unexpected but important?  Don’t you find you are paying for 2 sets of bank accounts?

My wife and I just have ‘our’ money, not his/hers.  We each get the same spending and big purchases get discussed.

Again, just have to say whatever works for you is fine, neiher of these approaches is correct, I just want to get an appreciation for how other people look at it.

Snorks of WA (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (01:04pm)
someone else replied to Snorks
Tue 03 Aug 10 (01:52pm)

A fair and reasonable set of questions, Snorks.
You generally (but not necessarily) hear of this when both people are working, and earn comparable wages. So I can’t answer what would happen if one earned significantly more, because I’ve not encountered such a situation.
As to the question of loaning money for something unexpected but important, we’ve encountered that occassionally; when a purchase is over the daily limit of one person, for example. The payer gets fairly reimbursed when the partner has the funds available (or they get the groceries for the next few weeks, or some other agreement).
Who still pays for bank accounts? Neither mine nor my partner’s have any fees attached.
Big purchases tend to be joint purchases in my limited experience, so they are discussed as joint purchases. But it’s possible to make big purchases for personal use without consultation.
It works for us.

Has that helped at all?

Vanessa replied to Snorks
Tue 03 Aug 10 (02:06pm)

There’s a pretty big disparity between my husband’s and my salaries, so I can tell you how it works for us. We are both pretty high income earners though, so it’s probably not “normal” and I’m the higher income earner, so that’s probably not normal either.

We pay the same amount into the joint account every fortnight or week (depending on our pay cycles). That money covers *all* joint day to day expenses mortgage, all insurances, body corporate, rates, groceries, childcare, savings for education, etc).

Anything extra is, in theory, our individual money.

We also have a joint savings account (mortgage offset actually) and what is left after my allocation to both the joint account and my expenses I put into that account. In theory I could do something else with it if I wanted to I guess… but I’m super focussed on getting rid of that mortgage, so....

Paul replied to Snorks
Tue 03 Aug 10 (02:24pm)

I suspect for most people who have seperate accounts it’s just a simple continuation from what they had before.

My wife and I have seperate accounts and it works fine and I can’t think of a situation where having a joint one would have been particularly useful. Either of us will pay bills as they crop up.

Perhaps having a joint account might help us have a stronger or defined savings plan but we seem to manage save a resaonable amount even if it is in a fairly ad-hoc fashion.

Tim replied to Snorks
Tue 03 Aug 10 (02:36pm)

I honestly don’t know how people have combined accounts.

My situation is pretty much exactly the same as someone else’s.

I know it’s bad to think about but I have a number of friends who have split with their girlfriend/wife when they had combined accounts and then had severe problems working out what to do with finances.
Trying to work out what is mine, theirs and ours is far easier if you have split finances.

KJ replied to Snorks
Tue 03 Aug 10 (03:05pm)

My partner earns almost 3 times more than me, so we worked out the amount we needed for our joint everyday expense account + joint savings account each month. I then contribute 1/3 and he contributes 2/3 of that amount.

Yes I contribute less money but percentage of salary wise it’s still fair. It also leaves me with a minimal amount that I use for his birthday gifts, personal splurges, personal savings goals etc

Von replied to Snorks
Tue 03 Aug 10 (04:07pm)

“What happens if one person earns significantly more than the other?” - perhaps then one will see that they aren’t contributing as much to finances and will do something about it? You get alot of people saying “oh my gf/bf just stays home all day and bludges off me” - they really can’t do that if they don’t have a joint account with you can they?

“Do you have to start loaning your parner money to buy something unexpected but important?” - how big are we talking? Anyway, I’d say yes until it balances out again. If you don’t have the money, you shouldn’t be spending it anyway.

“Don’t you find you are paying for 2 sets of bank accounts?” - most accounts are fee free now.

We have separate accounts. Similar to Vanessa, we’re both relatively high income earners and are on similar salaries. Despite having separate accounts, all our finances are transparent and we know how much the other is earning, saving and spending. We agreed right from the beginning to allocate certain bills with similar amounts to each person e.g. I pay internet and he pays foxtel. Instead of doing the joint account thing, instead we just have a little notepad which we write down amounts of things we’ve paid for that are shared expenses and tally it up when the page is full (e.g. I’m the -ve amounts and he’s the +ve amounts) and we try to balance it to 0. If say one of us is behind the other by a significant amount then we can arrange say for the person behind to pay both shares for rent or the next lot of groceries etc. Sometimes we forget to put things in the notepad but then we just ignore it if we do. Things we buy for ourselves that aren’t *joint* expenses like clothes etc we don’t put in the notepad. We do most of the shopping together anyway so we know what we’re spending money on. Hence, we never really need to “sit down and talk about a big expense” because it’s usually been talked about for a while prior to the purchase, or we’re together when we’re buying it unless it’s an emergency. We never do a proper budget. We just see how much we’re saving (individually) and use that to see if were spending “too much” that month (since we both get paid monthly), then we can work out if it was a justifiable expense or if our spending went a bit out of control.

The time I see that our finances may join is when we have kids. Since one of us at least has to stay home, missing out on income and in a way the kids are a “joint” expense. Even for our planned mortgage, we’re going to split it 50/50. I find we get a bit competitive about salaries/savings if one is edging in front of the other because then we aren’t earning/saving as much as the other!

As long as it works for you and you aren’t hiding things from each other then I think whatever approach you use is fine whether joint or separate.

Iva replied to Snorks
Tue 03 Aug 10 (08:28pm)

My husband and I have separate accounts and we have a mortgage. We are both good savers and he had a big portfolio of property/shares before we met so it made sense to keep our investments/savings bar our principal home separate. I don’t think just because we’re married, his hard earned cash automatically becomes mine.  We both contribute the same amount to buying groceries, eating out or buying something for the house or garden each week. He pays all the bills and at the end of the month I put exactly half the amount back into his account. Anything leftover is our own individual money to do with as we please. He earns a lot more (but also works harder) but I never have to ask him for money or a loan (my own is sufficient).  While we discuss huge purchases, we don’t need to get the others permission or justify a big/expensive purchase. Most of the time we don’t have to discuss money and more importantly we never ever fight about money.  I like being financially independent off him, managing my own savings and building my own investments. We both prefer it that way.

speck replied to Snorks
Wed 04 Aug 10 (11:28am)

My husband and I have seperate accounts, even though we have been together five years. I got badly burned by an ex (in addition to feeling like I could never spend my own money), and I prefer to have some autonomy.  I also earn twice as much as him, and the house is in my name (I bought it before I met him). So I pay the mortgage and the household bills, and he pays for our new car and we generally split groceries, dinners out etc. Neither of us ever buys anything stupid, and everything we have left over goes into his savings account (which we both use). We are talking about getting a joint high interest account, but just haven’t gotten around to it yet…

Lily replied to Snorks
Wed 04 Aug 10 (12:14pm)

My husband is a high income earner, earning way more than me. If we paid equal amounts into a joint account that would pretty much see the end of my take home salary.

Instead we pay proportionately now - ie, our total monthly outgoings are roughly 50% of our total monthly combined salaries - so we each contribute 50% of our salaries per month.

As I earn more, we recalculate the ratio.

Seems fair and equitable for us - and I guess most importantly it works.

Does anyone else do it this way?!

save it replied to Snorks
Thu 05 Aug 10 (10:24am)

We each have our own seperate accounts in our household and he earns almost twice as much as I do. I live within my means and I guess he lives within his. If i don’t earn enough for a ‘big purchase’ then I do not purchase it. I don’t borrow money from my partner to pay for the things I cannot afford because if I cannot afford it then i certainly cannot afford to pay it back so I go without. No need for an ‘ours’ account. Any joint purchases are always made within MY means and are generally saved for - something current generations seem to be out of touch with.

My wife and I have a joint account for both our pay.  We each get $100 per fortnight “pocket money”, which we can do what we want with. 

Other than that all bills and mortgage payments come from the joint account.  I tend to pay most of the bills, but only because she isn’t signed up for internet banking.  Groceries are done online together, and we discuss any large purchases (over $100) before we make them.  We record everything in a spreadsheet to make sure we are on track. 

I tend to keep a closer eye on the current balance of accounts and the mortgage, but simply out of interest (I’m more likely to waste money than my wife).

Communication is the key.  Neither of us would be happy not knowing the state of our finances.  It’s simple, but works for us.

D of Brisbane (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (01:11pm)
Kristy replied to D
Tue 03 Aug 10 (01:39pm)

I also use a spreadsheet to keep track of all expenses. I think an expenses spreadsheet compliments a budget as it allows you to really see if your budget is working or not. Mine is quite detailed, which works for me.

In reference to car dealers.... i knew a guy who adopted a similar approach.

he’d say…

‘win the children, and you’ve won the wife. Win the wife, and you’ve won the hubby.

Then use the combined pester power of his children & wife, and flatter his ego a little by making him think he’s just a pulled a fast one over you, and you’ve got the sale.’

That man retired quite well off!

cretin (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (01:25pm)

I control the finances within our family. I set the budget, make sure bills and loans are paid, do the grocery shopping, buy the gifts etc.

We have joint bank accounts and credit card accounts. My husband is great at earning the money and I am very good with finances, particularly with budgeting and making our money work as hard as it can. We have a combined allowance that we use for personal spending such as going out for dinner or taking the kids out on the weekend etc.

It did take about 6 months to get the budget right and to make some changes with how we did things, particularly with home cooking, groceries, ‘retail therapy’ and reducing the cost of our utilities.

Most of the changes we made are now habit and we’ve come a long way from how we used live, which was pay packet to pay packet.

Kristy of Perth (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (01:34pm)

All of our finances are combined and have been ever since we were married. My parents have seperate funds and some of my friends… I never really understood it.
We both have joint access to everything so it is all completely transparent.
My wife does most of the spending - groceries, stuff for the kids, etc. I do most of the earning. I also pay the bills - utilities, credit cards etc.
While I guess I probably have the bigger say in the big expenditures it is always a joint decision.
I just want my tax return to arrive already! So much for E-Tax being quicker…

John Paladin of Perth (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (01:34pm)
ImaWestie replied to John Paladin
Tue 03 Aug 10 (04:17pm)

Glad to see I’m not the only one still waiting for the ATO.

First year of using e-tax instead of an agent and due to self-education deduction I’m claiming a lot more than I ever have, so I’m a bit anxious while I wait!

Mel replied to John Paladin
Tue 03 Aug 10 (05:38pm)

E-Tax never claims to be quicker just a do it your self job.  Also the ATO may take upto 30days to issue some refunds do to tests on their new systems! (You did not hear that from me!)

So much for everything working well.  rolleyes

Jessie replied to John Paladin
Tue 03 Aug 10 (06:22pm)

I did mine on the 5th of July, with a tax agent, I’m still waiting too :(

My Husband and I have two accounts. One is in his name. He had the account before we were married, and it has his phone bill and car payments linked to it. We were going to change it to both our names, but to do that we would of had to close the account to open a new one which was way to much hassle.

Another account is linked to that one that we can only access on the internet. That account is in both our names. My pay and our savings go in there, but rent comes out. Everything else (bills, electricity groceries etc) comes out of his.

We have completely joint finances and joint accounts, but for simplicity we often say ‘your account or my account!’ grin

Silversurfer of Canberra (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (01:42pm)

Like many of you who have posted already, my fiance and I opened a joint account when we got a mortgage for our house.  Both pays go into the mortgage offset, I look after the bills and do the groceries and keep everything updated in a running spreadsheet, with future bills etc factored in.  We both earn decent money, and because the fiance is a shift-worker, some pays she makes more than me and vice-versa.  She can do OT as well, which helps even more.  The upshot is that she is quite happy not to be bothered with having to worry about it and has access to see what’s going on anyway.  She still gets a bit miffed when the bank addresses stuff to us with my name first though (which upsets her because she had a larger deposit than me!).  Still, things seem to be working out OK and we also zero off the CC each month.  Our offset is growing quite nicely and we should be interest-free on the mortgage within the next year.  Major purchases are discussed beforehand.  We are not “consumerist” by nature and have made do with a 16yo car and a lot of hand-me down furniture etc.  We could go out and splurge on just about anything we liked, but getting the mortgage covered first is the main goal, even before any sort of overseas trip.  Sometimes I wish she would take more of an interest in our finances, but, like others here, she trusts me, I wouldn’t do anything wrong, and has access to accounts to check if she wanted anyway.  Works for us.

JohnM of SA (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (02:03pm)

In my house, I generally have control of the joint account and paying the bills though I talk to my husband about the bills and the sort of money being paid out so he is aware of our living costs. He is more interested to know how much we’ve got floating about in total but that’s really only when we’re considering making a purchase for the house. We pay major bills and the mortgage out of this account, anything else is classed as incidentals which we take care of out of our “own” money - yes, this means we have separate accounts. 

This system has worked for a good ten years now and generally most things come out even in the wash.  We’ve found that maintaining a bills/mortgage account that can only be accessed by the ‘net means that we are less likely to overspend the money we actually need. Money is very rarely an issue of contention in our house because we always ask each other regarding big personal spends (we both have very expensive hobbies).

Em of Melbourne (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (03:39pm)

Mrs Westie & I have a common bank account, it IS the mortgage account, which is linked to one credit card account which we are both cardholders on.

I earn >90% of the income.

She spends, spends, spends. It’s amazing how much trivial stuff we spend money on: food, clothes for the kids, shoes for the kids, swimming lessons for the kids…

every now and then, I work out how much money she has spent on her interests (it doesn’t matter much what they are - they are important to her!), then I look at what I am going to spend on myself and it’s OK because while she hasn’t gone over the top she spends a lot more on her “interests” than I do, and on top of that she spends a lot more on “fashion & grooming” (without being excessive) than I do (hello? 1 pair of hair clippers lasts us three years and there are 2 male kids in the house as well!!).

Things may change a little after family allowance or whatever they call it and we buy an investment property. But it will only be tinkering around the edges.

ImaWestie (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (04:08pm)
SS replied to ImaWestie
Tue 03 Aug 10 (04:24pm)

I love that you refer to food as a ‘trivial’ expense. LOL

ImaWestie replied to ImaWestie
Tue 03 Aug 10 (10:52pm)

Food, clothing, shelter: pretty much the definition of “trivial things”.

But yeah, try living without them - you’d get uncomfortable pretty quick.

Trivia =/= unimportant

income < expenses is all that matters.

AnotherWestie replied to ImaWestie
Thu 05 Aug 10 (02:46am)

Buddy,
Thank your lucky stars you’ve got boys. I’ve got a seven year old lass and she spends like no tomorrow. Worth every cent..umm dollar..LOL Wife’s money is hers to spend as she likes other than half of our daughter’s education while mine pays for mortgage, general bills including food, utilities, petrol, future savings/investment, charity, holiday money etc etc.
Trivial is not about the food but the amount of food which gets wasted because she follows that ridiculous show and cooks for ten every night when we have two adults, one kid and a small yappy mutt.
There’s no justice when you’re married. I’d be better off divorced although I’d miss the wife’s cooking.

Very informative reading.  My partner and I are struggling with increased living expenses, mortgages and renters not paying on time. 

To the people who have commented on using a spreadsheet to track all spending, is this something you have developed yourself?, or is there somewhere on the web I could find a sample spreadsheet.

I am currently refining our budget (I’m in charge of finances in our relationship - and at the moment it is very stressful) and any tools to help would be great.

Julie of Wodonga (Reply)
Tue 03 Aug 10 (06:03pm)
Kristy replied to Julie
Tue 03 Aug 10 (10:01pm)

The budget spreadsheet I use is one I got from [url=http://www.fido.gov.au]http://www.fido.gov.au[/url] modified to suit my income and expenses.

I also have a spreadsheet that I created that keeps running totals of all of my expense items. For example, for my groceries, I input my budgeted amount for the pay period. And then as I purchase groceries I input the debit. This then tallies how much I have left, or how much I have overspent.

I do this to keep track of all my expenses. I probably spend an hour a fortnight keeping it up to date.

Jonquil replied to Julie
Tue 03 Aug 10 (10:59pm)

go to here. They have an excellent budgeting spreadsheet.

ImaWestie replied to Julie
Tue 03 Aug 10 (11:00pm)

The main thing is, to identify all your income & all your expenses.

In terms of a tool, try looking here, but to be honest - a spreadsheet won’t do anything you can’t do on the back of an envelope with a calculator.

Mrs Westie & I buy everything on our credit card, so if I have to track spending I start with the electronic statement from my online banking service.

Prima replied to Julie
Tue 03 Aug 10 (11:00pm)

Id love some tips too.

Im currently trying to work out a budget for living on one income for when we have kids, (next year hopefully) the sooner we start living on one income, (saving the other) the better.

I have budgeted for everything, mortgage, presents, all insurances, food, car...everything - I need to find some more money somewhere!!

Hi Julie and Prima,

I agree with the others that the FIDO budget planner: http://www.fido.gov.au/fido/fido.nsf/byHeadline/Budget planner is a great place to start a written budget. Personally I use an excel spreadsheet which I set up myself as I like to update it daily with what we have spent (so that I can REALLY keep a track of it. I accept that I am a bit extreme though!).

When you’re looking at needing to find more money in the budget, some great places to focus on a groceries (most of us spend a phenomenal amount of groceries). Also insurances - personal insurance, home & contents, car, health - spend half a day going through all your paperwork and phoning around to see what deals are available.  Choice did a great review of car insurance recently: http://www.choice.com.au/Reviews-and-Tests/Money/Insurance/House-and-car/Car-insurance-review-and-compare/Page/Introduction.aspx

Gifts are another great area to cut back - not to buy less but simply to plan a couple of months ahead so that you can buy strategically at sales etc. Good luck! 

Justine Davies
Wed 04 Aug 10 (01:23pm)

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Justine is a finance writer, author and mum of three. With a decade of financial planning experience her mission is to make family finances easier.

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