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« Reply #165 on: July 18, 2008, 07:49:27 PM »
Quote from: Thowluikhain on July 18, 2008, 07:41:48 PM
Show of hands...who here wants to see pictures of naked kids?  Anyone?

Well not something that I want to rush out and look at.
But I don't hate seeing it, like in that painting, it's a nice painting.
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« Reply #166 on: July 19, 2008, 12:16:37 PM »
I don't really care either way,.. If its done well, it can be beautiful, though, I'm not a fan of posed photography.
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« Reply #167 on: July 19, 2008, 07:56:38 PM »
Quote from: Thowluikhain on July 18, 2008, 07:41:48 PM
Show of hands...who here wants to see pictures of naked kids?  Anyone?

I have taken photos of my daughter naked in a bubble bath, and in the wading pool in the back yard - these are photos of "a day in the life of".  I have not asked her to take off her clothes so I can photograph her naked just to see her nakedness.  There are only two circumstances that I imagine where people “pose naked” for photographs; one is for medical reasons and the other is directly related to sexualisation of the subject.  So when I see or hear of photographs of children "posing" naked outside an environment in which they would normally be naked, then I have to ask the question why, if not for the sexualisation of the subject.

One must ask, as Thowluikhain has done, who are these people who like to see photos of naked children where the nakedness itself is what is being presented?  Why?  We all have a good idea why most people like to look at photos of nude adults!
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« Reply #168 on: July 19, 2008, 08:05:02 PM »
Quote from: ßoris on July 19, 2008, 07:56:38 PM
There are only two circumstances that I imagine where people “pose naked” for photographs; one is for medical reasons and the other is directly related to sexualisation of the subject. 

I disagree, the nude body used to be seen as pure and people were often painted nude to symbolise Gods and Godesses and things. I mean I think that painted for the magazine looks way better her being naked, then if she was wearing some tacky boardies or swimmers and I don't see that is a sexual way at all. And it also gives it a timless effect.
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« Reply #169 on: July 19, 2008, 08:09:39 PM »
Maybe people's minds have stopped maturing to some extent, so when they see artworks of naked people they think childish things like "omg a penis! boobies! *giggles*", and then that converts itself to feeling that it's wrong for it to exist.

Or perhaps society is just trying to be too PC, which is highly believable.
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« Reply #170 on: July 19, 2008, 08:19:55 PM »
Okay Mr Blonde,  for what reason would you get a child to "pose" naked for a photograph?  Just stand or sit there naked?
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« Reply #171 on: July 19, 2008, 08:26:31 PM »
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I disagree, the nude body used to be seen as pure and people were often painted nude to symbolise Gods and Godesses and things. I mean I think that painted for the magazine looks way better her being naked, then if she was wearing some tacky boardies or swimmers and I don't see that is a sexual way at all. And it also gives it a timless effect.

Were there statues of child girls with immature breasts?

Another misinterpretation of the facts is the one about paintings of naked children in the 18 & 1900’s.  The paintings of this genre were generally for private use.  A squire, obviously wealthy, would commission a painting of the wife and kids naked - This painting was meant for private use, only within the family home.  It was only later, possibly after the artist became famous, that these paintings would be sold off for financial gain.  I don’t know if any of these child nudes were originally designed for public display.   I don’t know, can you tell me of any child nudes that were specifically done for public viewing?
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« Reply #172 on: July 19, 2008, 09:45:01 PM »
Quote from: ßoris on July 19, 2008, 08:19:55 PM
Okay Mr Blonde,  for what reason would you get a child to "pose" naked for a photograph?  Just stand or sit there naked?

Oh I'm not saying photos of children posing naked are ok, no matter what society's mindset may be. Assuming that's why you're asking the question. But I'm sure there are legitimate artists out there who have visions of beauty involving naked children, it's just that the whole idea of it is a little bit wrong and exploitative.


I would like to pose (yes, pose) a question: would people be more accepting of a painting of a naked child than a photo, even if a real naked child had posed for the painter?
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« Reply #173 on: July 19, 2008, 10:13:06 PM »
Quote from: ßoris on July 19, 2008, 08:26:31 PM
Another misinterpretation of the facts is the one about paintings of naked children in the 18 & 1900’s.  The paintings of this genre were generally for private use.  A squire, obviously wealthy, would commission a painting of the wife and kids naked - This painting was meant for private use, only within the family home.  It was only later, possibly after the artist became famous, that these paintings would be sold off for financial gain. 

In any case, though, is that relevant?  I mean, even had naked photography of children been acceptable in a public context...that was 100-200 years ago.  Society has changed alot since then.
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« Reply #174 on: July 20, 2008, 01:57:08 PM »
Why is nakedness automatically sexual,... are you being sexual every time you are naked while not doing something that requires you to be?

the only reason for clothing that isn't based social acceptance, surely is to prevent freezing, sunburn, or getting important bits caught in cogs....
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« Reply #175 on: July 20, 2008, 06:29:26 PM »
Quote from: Frazzy? on July 20, 2008, 01:57:08 PM
Why is nakedness automatically sexual,...

i second that.
is it true, as i have heard, that parents can now get in trouble for photographing their own children naked?

seems slightly absurd...
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« Reply #176 on: July 20, 2008, 06:51:39 PM »
Quote from: chris__ on July 20, 2008, 06:29:26 PM
is it true, as i have heard, that parents can now get in trouble for photographing their own children naked?

Well if they are taking photos of their kids and selling it as porn then yes they should get into trouble. Tongue

I mean even there are many kids that have been abused by people in their family, so I guess there are some parents that shouldn't even be allowed kids.

But yeah I have pictures of me as a kid naked in the bath and naked covered in paint and things and they are just normal childhood photos.
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« Reply #177 on: July 20, 2008, 07:01:39 PM »
Quote from: Invisible Friend. on July 20, 2008, 06:51:39 PM
Well if they are taking photos of their kids and selling it as porn then yes they should get into trouble. Tongue

Well, yes  tongue
I meant the normal childhood stuff as you mentioned.

And yeah, there are parents that shouldn't be allowed kids...Some because they are just plain stupid. Really, the amount of 4W driving nutcase bigots i come into contact with at school...
(That's just my snobbery showing through. Ignore it.)
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« Reply #178 on: July 20, 2008, 07:03:22 PM »
Hey my father drives a 4WD thankyou. Tongue
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« Reply #179 on: July 20, 2008, 07:12:58 PM »


Ahaha tongue
Well, i'm sure you've turned out just fine regardless  grin

I just find some mothers with 4WDs in my school area to be mental. I mean, i can't cross the road without facing the danger of being killed by footpath-munching baby-producing wrong-side-of-the-road-driving crazy women. End rant.

I'm really steering this off topic.  undecided
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