Minutes of W3C WSDWG Conference Call, June 19th, 2003 Present: Erik Ackerman Lexmark Mike Ballantyne Electronic Data Systems David Booth W3C Allen Brookes Rogue Wave Software Roberto Chinnici Sun Microsystems Alan Davies SeeBeyond Youenn Fablet Canon Steve Graham Global Grid Forum Jacek Kopecky Systinet Sandeep Kumar Cisco Systems Philippe Le Hégaret W3C Amelia Lewis TIBCO Steve Lind AT&T Kevin Canyang Liu SAP Lily Liu webMethods Jonathan Marsh Chair (Microsoft) Jean-Jacques Moreau Canon Bijan Parsia University of Maryland MIND Lab Arthur Ryman IBM Jeffrey Schlimmer Microsoft Igor Sedukhin Computer Associates William Vambenepe Hewlett-Packard Sanjiva Weerawarana IBM Umit Yalcinalp Oracle Prasad Yendluri webMethods, Inc. Regrets: Glen Daniels Macromedia Tom Jordahl Macromedia Ingo Melzer DaimlerChrysler Jeff Mischkinsky Oracle Dale Moberg Cyclone Commerce Adi Sakala IONA Technologies Jerry Thrasher Lexmark -------------------------------------------------------------------- Agenda 1. Assign scribe. Scribe: Lily Liu -------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Approval of minutes: - June 12 telcon [.1]. [.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/att-0027/proto.html APPROVED -------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Review of Action items [.1]. PENDING 2003-03-13: Don will write a proposal for annotating schema with part information. PENDING 2003-03-27: Philippe write up a proposal for embedding binary data types in schema PENDING 2003-05-13: DaveO to send a motivating example for R131. PENDING 2003-05-13: Jeffsch, Sanjiva, Glen, Umit, JJM to come up with a proposal to get rid with the message construct, and add programming hints. PENDING 2003-05-14: Kevin to contact Sanjiva and try to merge proposals. <scribe> Sanjiva's proposal may be able to incorporate Kevin's DONE [.2] 2003-06-05: Jonathan to see what is the problem with substgrps. DONE 2003-06-12: Bijan to look at test assertions in RDF. * Philippe notes that DTD is only for validation and can be extended anyway <scribe> Bijan and Arthur to look into the test assertions more <scribe> editors to do some formal markups in the spec <scribe> Bijan and Arthur will do a prototype off the markups <scribe> Arthur may use wsdl 1.1 validator as a start point PENDING 2003-06-12: Jacek to synthesize the different approaches to solving issue 64. PENDING 2003-06-12: Arthur to summarize his concerns about Umit's proposal by email. DONE [.3] 2003-06-12: Dbooth to get F2F registration page up and update logistics page. <scribe> F2F registration page is up DONE 2003-06-12: Part 1 editors to change the wording for targetResource with JJM proposal. <scribe> targetResource rewording in the spec is done [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0051.html [.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2003Jun/0027.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Administrivia a. July FTF logistics [.1], registration [.2] [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/3/05/f2fJulyLogistics.htm [.2] http://cgi.w3.org/Register/selectUser.pl?_w3c_meetingName=WSAWG_WSDWG_20 0307 ------------------------------------------------------------------ 5. Task Force Status. a. Properties and Features (dormant) b. Patterns <scribe> Patterns: will find out the IP status, by July F2F <scribe> Jonathan: we need to analyze more on pattern characteristics <scribe> Umit: the TF made a big progress on recognizing/analyzing/writing down the patterns <scribe> Umit: does not know what are the alternatives <jeffsch> Could the patterns task force make a presentation at the upcoming f2f? <scribe> David: wants more participation <sanjiva> q+ <scribe> Sanjiva: worried about how the Patterns proposal will impact the spec <scribe> Sanjiva: We are not agreed on out bound operations Lily> David: Patterns TF started out on request-response patterns <scribe> David: we need to be clear about the pros and cons of a broader or a narrower definition <scribe> David: Sanjiva was concerned about specific patterns <scribe> David: many patterns are recognized in the TF proposal. That does not mean the TF is recommending all of them for the spec c. Attributes d. QA & Testing ------------------------------------------------------------------ 6. New Issues. Merged issues list [.1]. - Rename "targetResource" to "target"? [.2] "resource"? [.3] [.1] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/issues/wsd-issues.html [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0044.html [.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0048.html <jjm> +1 to renaming to "resource" <umit> +1 to not changing targetResource <SteveLind> +1 to no change * WilliamV proposes targetForCriticism <dbooth> +1 <scribe> No action needed <scribe> We will drop the renaming issue ------------------------------------------------------------------ 7. Using RDF in WSDL [.1]. Jonathan examining the usability of substitution groups with pre-defined XML vocabularies. [.2] [.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0076.html [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0051.html <JacekK> q+ <scribe> Jonathan: experimented with the extension <scribe> Jacek: proposes to add specific wrapper elements for signatures <scribe> Jacek: wrapper elements are orthogonal to general extensions <scribe> Roberto: prefers to remove the substitution groups and go back to using element wildcards <scribe> Jacek: does not like to have two ways to define the same thing <JacekK> +1 to poll <sgg> +1 to poll * JacekK thinks the poll could include the third option <scribe> Jonathan: poll? <scribe> Umit: needs more time to think about this <scribe> Jonathan: Roberto to rewrite up an email about these <sgg> would the wsdl:rdf element be required for support by WSDL processors? <Philippe> ACTION: Roberto to rewrite up an email about these * RRSAgent records action 1 <JacekK> the wsdl:rdf element could be ignored completely by processors not interested in the RDF representation of the WSDL doc -------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. Single service per interface motivation [.1, .2] Comments on the pretty pictures [.3]. Simplification of the Simplification proposal [.4]. [.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0095.html [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0104.html [.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0023.html [.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0031.html <scribe> Amy: proposes to return to the containment approach of WSDL 1.1 <scribe> Sanijiva: most people don't find containment interesting <scribe> Jonathan: a lot of debate on this model, even outside of this group <scribe> Mike agrees with this proposal <scribe> Igor: still has the concerns expressed in previous emails * sanjiva straw poll? <scribe> David: can we itemize the pros and cons? * umit +1 to straw poll * Philippe +1 to straw poll * JacekK +1 to straw poll <scribe> Igor: curious about what products need this <scribe> Jonathan: took a straw poll at the F2F, and majority were in favor of adopting the single service per interface proposal * Philippe notes that no one supported serviceGroup during the f2f meeting <scribe> David: two questions: one for targetResource, and one for single service <scribe> ACTION: Igor to write up about pros and cons of the single service proposal * RRSAgent records action 2 <scribe> Arthur: would be nice to have programming language interfaces mappings <scribe> Amy: not in favor of Arthur's proposal, wants to keep WSDL language independent <scribe> Jonathan: introducing language bindings without impacting other WSDL offerings is nice <scribe> Umit: simplification introduced by adopting single service per interface may benefit people down the road <sanjiva> q+ <scribe> It is a GRID requirement <scribe> Sanjiva: targetResouce is more dynamic <scribe> Jonathan: do we agree on the pictures? <Philippe> http://www.w3.org/TR/wsdl12/Service-Resource.png <Philippe> http://www.w3.org/TR/wsdl12/Service-Resource2.png <scribe> Igor: want to have a new picture that includes additional items * Philippe proposes a picture contest <scribe> Jacek: also likes to have a different diagram <scribe> ACTION: Igor to come up with a new diagram * RRSAgent records action 3 <scribe> Jonathan: would like to close this issue soon TIME IS UP, TELCON IS OVERReceived on Thursday, 19 June 2003 16:15:09 GMT
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